Opioids 7oh and suboxone

[AngelsandFairiesarereal]

Ya and did you notice how insanely high anxiety would spike after only a half hour since last 7 dose??? Man that anxiety is what kept me dosing every hour around the clock 50+mg a dose.

Oh yea for sure. It had me adding pseudo to try to stop it, and then the pseudo started making me feel like shit both every time I took it or didn’t … it was so weird

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Oh yea for sure. It had me adding pseudo to try to stop it, and then the pseudo started making me feel like shit both every time I took it or didn’t … it was so weird

It's so weird, never got a fucking comedown from an opiate before haha. I never fucked with pseudo so much few times I did it made me feel weird and cold instead of good and warm

 

[Kurt Cobain]

lol yea that’s true, I’ve had the same thoughts. A while ago there was a guy claiming on there that anyone who’s said they’ve been through 7oh withdrawals are bots lol

Yup, it's a blatant lie, even at lower doses dependacy happens more rapidly than any other drug out there. Kratom also gives me withdrawals although minor after only 1 day but that's more likely due to the kindling effect since I've been on and off of it for about a decade, hardest drug I've quit tbh I'd rather quit at my peak of doing PURE H at a half gram a day. I know that's gonna piss a lot of people off especially if some of the reddit nerds wind up here lol. 7 is no joke though and it's dirty af bc people leave in tons of solvents and don't clean it, short ass half life, and rapid tolerance and dependance. It might not be so bad if they made sure to purge the solvents, you can taste them and if they'd make an ER form but even if they did that I can't see it lasting all that longer kinda how Ritalin is short acting and Concerta is suppose to last all day but for me it doesn't, it's wearing off after a couple hours 3 max but I also have really severe ADD so that could contribute as well

 

[Kurt Cobain]

What about someone on 16mg a day of subs ? Would they still feel 7oh ?

Imo subs don't block 7oh it might damped it a bit if you've been on that dose a long time but idk I've always kept subs dose low and infrequent so it may affect you differently but many reports from hardcore sub addicts say they can still totally feel it, might just have to dose a tad higher if anything

 

[Exs95]

Then you got the people blatantly lying saying shit like oh 7 didn't cause me a single withdraw syndrome same with kratom like ya okay bud telling me your 50-60gpd habit of kratom caused zero withdraws??? Ya fucking right. I know everyone is different but that's just a total lie bc they don't want to get their drug banned.

Agreed, the people on the 7oh subreddits pretend like W/D does not exist, drives me crazy

Kratom leaf is much different and shouldn't be compared to 7 in anyway, the amount 7oh in Kratom leaf is extremely negible, you would not be able to get anywhere near the levels of 7oh in Leaf like you would with all the 7oh extracts.

I was a daily user of Leaf for over 5 years and when I quit that the W/D was maybe a 2/10 - at a 10g a day habit. This 7oh W/D is the worst thing I've gone through.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Agreed, the people on the 7oh subreddits pretend like W/D does not exist, drives me crazy

Kratom leaf is much different and shouldn't be compared to 7 in anyway, the amount 7oh in Kratom leaf is extremely negible, you would not be able to get anywhere near the levels of 7oh in Leaf like you would with all the 7oh extracts.

I was a daily user of Leaf for over 5 years and when I quit that the W/D was maybe a 2/10 - at a 10g a day habit. This 7oh W/D is the worst thing I've gone through.

I agree 7 and plain leaf shouldn't be compare but a high dose leaf 60+gpd for years withdraw was up there with some of my worst kicks including really pure H. Obviously not in the same ways but the mental and the restlessness from high dose kratom is maddening

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Oh yea for sure. It had me adding pseudo to try to stop it, and then the pseudo started making me feel like shit both every time I took it or didn’t … it was so weird

Same happened with 7oh to me really quickly. All sorts of weird side effects the worst was body pain and total numbness of limbs especially agyer waking up, I couldn't use my left arm usually for the first ten minutes of wildly forcing it to flail around.it scared me but suppose thay could be the left over solvents from shitty chemist's instead of 7oh directly

 

[Voxide]

I mean if you don't mind being broke, constantly redosing like a crack head go for it. Word to the wise though suboxone DOES NOT do anything for 7oh wd and I mean NOTHING.

Thats…not true for me

Don’t get me wrong I def feel for you if that’s the case with your experience and I’m not calling you a liar or nothing, but 2mg sorted me out just fine and then some.

160mg a day but only for a short period of time so that may have something to do with it. Interesting to hear from others though

 

[AngelsandFairiesarereal]

Same happened with 7oh to me really quickly. All sorts of weird side effects the worst was body pain and total numbness of limbs especially agyer waking up, I couldn't use my left arm usually for the first ten minutes of wildly forcing it to flail around.it scared me but suppose thay could be the left over solvents from shitty chemist's instead of 7oh directly

Oh wow that’s crazy because literally the exact same thing started happening to me once I was on it for a bit. My limbs started going numb too and same like you were saying that it was especially upon waking up!

 

[tokayeahok]

I’ve been on subs for approximately 8 years. Usually anywhere from 2-4 mg insufflated. 7-OH breaks right through the subs for me. Take about 50-60mg per dose which is sizable, but taken sublingually the effects kick in fast and it feels as if I’ve taken an opiate, although it’s not as clean and has a sort of dirty feeling to it. It’s negligible, but I can definitely feel it below the surface. Also, the short duration is bothersome. Be nice if there was an ER version. Kind of reminds me of when I had a run with tianeptine.

I can use 100-200mg a day for a few days and jump right back onto my Suboxone without much discomfort. Perhaps I feel the slightest of WD symptoms, such as runny nose, yawns, excess tear production, and lethargy, but it only last for only a day then I feel re-stabilized on subs.

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[gymguy30]

lol yea that’s true, I’ve had the same thoughts. A while ago there was a guy claiming on there that anyone who’s said they’ve been through 7oh withdrawals are bots lol

Oh no 7oh def has horrible withdrawals. People will lie their ass off smh

 

[higherconciousness]

Oh no 7oh def has horrible withdrawals. People will lie their ass off smh

I have no doubt that the WDs may have the chance of being brutal. But I’ve never used it more than 3 days in a rough. Whether if I want a break from being on subs for a year and need some assistance getting back onto subs after a few day bender with #4. I think it has some utility. Especially coming back onto subs with minimal discomfort after an opiate binge. As they’re both partial agonist it won’t matter if you take subs right after 7-OH. I would never want to be dependent on 7-oh anyways. Obscenely expensive and makes me sick if I over do it.

 

[Voxide]

Oh no 7oh def has horrible withdrawals. People will lie their ass off smh

Yeah saying it’s got no withdrawals is a massive exaggeration

They are definitely not as bad as Tianeptine or heroin but they’re bad

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Oh wow that’s crazy because literally the exact same thing started happening to me once I was on it for a bit. My limbs started going numb too and same like you were saying that it was especially upon waking up!

I chalked it up to dirty tabs or powder bc some brands didn't appear to fuck with me like that but a lot of them did. I believe it's either dirty left over solvents causing it or 7oh itself has some pretty severe vascioconstrictive effects. What are your thoughts on that?

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Yeah saying it’s got no withdrawals is a massive exaggeration

They are definitely not as bad as Tianeptine or heroin but they’re bad

I've never had Tia been looking actually for at head shops but don't wanna order online. Closest I've had is tramadol and those withdraws were pretty... Weird not as bad as H but weird. I will say 7ohs physical withdraw is nothing close to H but man the mental cravings and depression is up there if not worse since it's literally sold everywhere. I live in one small ass town and there's FIVE vape shops, gas stations and now even beer distributors selling it. Plus I mean it's online too obviously. I hear a ban is coming within the next month or two at the federal level. Hopefully plain leaf is safe bc id loose my job if I couldn't get kratom. Those withdraws are brutal to me not as violent as my Iv dope habit but again mentally and the legenth and restlessness are worse imo. I wish I was a lucky one who says the withdrawals are over in a few days but the physicals alone past weeks for me closer to a month. I'm also taking a lot more than the average person and I'm sure kindling effect plays a role. I've been an opiate junkie since I was 11 and just one day of kratom use no matte how many years clean time I have will give me withdrawals although not severe they're definetly there. It's like a hangover that lasts 5 days really.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

I have no doubt that the WDs may have the chance of being brutal. But I’ve never used it more than 3 days in a rough. Whether if I want a break from being on subs for a year and need some assistance getting back onto subs after a few day bender with #4. I think it has some utility. Especially coming back onto subs with minimal discomfort after an opiate binge. As they’re both partial agonist it won’t matter if you take subs right after 7-OH. I would never want to be dependent on 7-oh anyways. Obscenely expensive and makes me sick if I over do it.

Be careful, I'm not on subs but I've tried switching after heavy 7 binges (700-1000mg) a day and subs didn't help the withdraw what so fucking ever. Not a lick. It worked for me once when I was at a low dose of 7 and could get the old school sub tabs and snorted it but the strips did fuck all for me at high doses of 7

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Thats…not true for me

Don’t get me wrong I def feel for you if that’s the case with your experience and I’m not calling you a liar or nothing, but 2mg sorted me out just fine and then some.

160mg a day but only for a short period of time so that may have something to do with it. Interesting to hear from others though

Your dosage was far lower than mine and aren't you on sub maintenance to begin with? That plays a role alone from what I hear. I'm not on subs but ya did fuck all for me and many others but again were talking much higher doses of 7

 

[Exs95]

I'm just addicted to doing this method in general and it defiitely gives me strong effects at a high dose
but I wonder if I'm even aborsing it all and my tolerance is much lower? guess I'm going to quit this week and find out

as far as side effects I don't feel any since I'm fortuante the person I go through vigoursly lab tests his products

 

[Exs95]

I mean if you don't mind being broke, constantly redosing like a crack head go for it. Word to the wise though suboxone DOES NOT do anything for 7oh wd and I mean NOTHING.

go for what? I'm already addicted to it, did you even read the post?

and what do you mean Suboxone won't work? even if I were to go 2-3 days without? I have a single 8mg strip but honestly I think I'm just going to end up taking some Lyrica along with my RX'd Diazepam at a higher dose few a few days with Kratom Leaf and MIT extract and Carispordol on the worst nights + Mitrazpine I'm perscribed

 

[helpingout]

go for what? I'm already addicted to it, did you even read the post?

and what do you mean Suboxone won't work? even if I were to go 2-3 days without? I have a single 8mg strip but honestly I think I'm just going to end up taking some Lyrica along with my RX'd Diazepam at a higher dose few a few days with Kratom Leaf and MIT extract and Carispordol on the worst nights + Mitrazpine I'm perscribed

You can do it. I know you can handle it