Opioids What do you find more enjoyable heroin or fentanyl?

[BabyFoo]

100% heroin .

 

[Deleted member 290563]

Heroin and it’s relatives have a way better high.

Fentanyl is just stronger for ppl that can’t get that high off heroin because they are too addicted to opioids.

Fentanyl has cleaner and more clearheaded and less sedating equigesic pain releif to heroin and it just seems better as a pain killer period to me (the fentanyl patches I’m referring to for pain)

 

[Deleted member 290563]

I do not believe what you stated $70-80 per gram for 70%. The math does not add up and I am not trying measure dicks with you. I am nicely illustrating the difficulty of selling single grams of 70% #4 for that price.

It doesn’t this should be significantly more for 70 percent #4 by the gram. Heroin is the most expensive drugs besides pharma pills and all of them even dilaided and 80s are fakes I think now. It’s bullshit.

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

What sort of question even is that.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

The single gram $175 was without the morphine cut. For 10 grams it dropped to $140 per gram. These prices are standard for being linked to a well organized outfit regularly smuggling a kilogram from NYC down the Eastern Seaboard. It is was unfortunate being in a lot of the fed's photographs and having my name documented. I got clean and left the area 3 months before the feds indited the 95% of the outfit and brought up 100 others on charges.

Once it hit US soil, the starting price per kilogram of SEA #4 95% went for $80,000-$100,000 between 2000-2008. The Nigerian and French smugglers then handed it to the Mafia and others in NYC who cut it down to 80% for kilogram purchases.

With all due respect, I do not believe what you stated $70-80 per gram for 70%. The math does not add up and I am not trying measure dicks with you. I am nicely illustrating the difficulty of selling single grams of 70% #4 for that price.

I never sent any in for a purity test or anything but this was metro Detroit and at the time %s as high as 85 were showing up in ten bags off corners (DEA statistics). I normally did 4 dilly 4's in a hit (16mgs) and 2 packs woulda ended me fosure. Did a lil less than one so like 60 80 mg........ Morphine usually 100mg (due to 60mg per ml solubility a rinse was needed)

Based on equivalency charts it FELT about 70-90% --- than they all started having fet and game over.

You clearly have more experience in this world so I will not squabble -- I think the DEA database is our only real answer and how much do you trust the DEA? I trust your theory more frankly they love hyperbole. Its 1000% pure and its in the candy!! lol

I suppose I should have mentioned I wasn't buying 1g at a time off of corner boys, fingers and bricks as the journey was long and the risk insane.

 

[Them Witches]

I never sent any in for a purity test or anything but this was metro Detroit and at the time %s as high as 85 were showing up in ten bags off corners (DEA statistics). I normally did 4 dilly 4's in a hit (16mgs) and 2 packs woulda ended me fosure. Did a lil less than one so like 60 80 mg........ Morphine usually 100mg (due to 60mg per ml solubility a rinse was needed)

Based on equivalency charts it FELT about 70-90% --- than they all started having fet and game over.

You clearly have more experience in this world so I will not squabble -- I think the DEA database is our only real answer and how much do you trust the DEA? I trust your theory more frankly they love hyperbole. Its 1000% pure and its in the candy!! lol

I suppose I should have mentioned I wasn't buying 1g at a time off of corner boys, fingers and bricks as the journey was long and the risk insane.

I learn something new everyday. Thank you for explaining. If I came off cross, it wasn't my intention.

You would have loved the dope I am referring to.

Have tried Clonidine with opioids?

 

[to_oblivion]

100% prefer heroin over fentanyl. Fentanyl is cold and feels like you're teetering on the edge between life and death. It's just too easy to die trying to enjoy fentanyl, which is why I quit dope in the first place. Very tragic that so many junkies don't know the beautiful warm hold of H and only chase that nasty cold grip Fentanyl has on you.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Def have used clonodine with opiates -- diphenhydramamine (Benadryl) was a common cut towards the end when things were falling apart. Nah ya came across fine I would normally challenge those #'s too (And I cannot say surely it was or was not above 70%) but based on 50mg = 150 of morphine 70% feels about right.....frankly I was lucky the person I was with told me 4 4's was about equal to .2 --- than demanded the first hit and almost dropped off .12 so I adjusted my estimate to half that for safety.

Damn kids would sell points for 50 bucks locally and it was partially my fault "How much could we get forr this?" Idk prolly 50 a point if you want to be pricks --- and it was set in stone they wanted to be pricks. I just based that on 50c/mg for morphine which may or may not have been what it was running around here

 

[Helpmeescapethis]

I’m in the minority, but after having access to pure fentanyl HCl crystals AND 90%+ #4 heroin over a decade ago, something inside me prefers fentanyl. This stuff cannot be compared to fentanyl of the street.

I know people say it lacks all the warmth and euphoria, but not for me. I loved being able to redose and get another amazing rush, every single time. With heroin, even pure stuff, the histamine reaction become too much for the doses my tolerance requires, and the rushes dissipate. Butyrfentanyl trumps all, though.

Damn shame it’s entirely gone, even on the markets. Now it’s just nitazenes.

 

[justme6263]

I've never ever had Fent (knowingly at least) but I had at Nitazene and Imo heroin is much more enjoyable, I find I nod more on Heroin where are Nitazene I just tend to pass out eventually..,

 

[Asante]

3-methylfentanyl is way better than heroin even if it's a tad less euphoric. buy some poppyseed

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I’m in the minority, but after having access to pure fentanyl HCl crystals AND 90%+ #4 heroin over a decade ago, something inside me prefers fentanyl. This stuff cannot be compared to fentanyl of the street.

I know people say it lacks all the warmth and euphoria, but not for me. I loved being able to redose and get another amazing rush, every single time. With heroin, even pure stuff, the histamine reaction become too much for the doses my tolerance requires, and the rushes dissipate. Butyrfentanyl trumps all, though.

Damn shame it’s entirely gone, even on the markets. Now it’s just nitazenes.

Now you are in the minority --- but getting pure fent at least you know what you are dealing with. take that over the ?h/?f/?w/e else ratio on the street. still prefer heroin but I can understand the histamine release being a bit much. (or that the price makes it worth it) lol.

never tried butyr-fent (that I know of haha) sucks its gone though

 

[drewbocop]

(Real) heroin and it's not even fucking close lmao
Fentanyl is a short-acting, soulless, knock out punch drug for those looking to escape reality. Shoot and dip into the ether for a while. No euphoria, just a punch to the temple. I used to use Fentanyl in the early 2000s as a kid getting boxes of Duragesic patches and lolipops. Even then, we thought they sucked compared to the natural opiates, or even hydrocodone/oxycodone. I hate fent. Most overrated shite out there and it kills you with slight errors to boot.

You know that South Park episode with the guy at the bank that goes "Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd it's gone."? That's fentanyl. Feel a lovely buzz for about 30 seconds and left wanting more. Real nice. Ironically, this 7-hydroxymitragynine powder I've been Tony Montana'ing lately feels the same way. There and gone, left fiendish and upset with myself.

 

[Asante]

3-methylfentanyl has a comparable duration to heroin and is as simple to make as fentanyl but the racemic form is 3200x morphine in potency. clearly superior to fentanyl.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

^ Duration (as you know) does not equate to euphoria. (though it does keep you from being sick) I have not had any fent analogue that felt traditionally euphoric or 'warm'.

 

[Demize]

Fent is highly unpleasant for me. I always feel that death is a possibility. There is zero euphoria, only a rush. It's impossible to calculate dosage with street fent. Heroin on the other hand always gives a good ride,even adulterated street junk 20-30 years ago.

 

[4DQSAR]

It doesn’t this should be significantly more for 70 percent #4 by the gram. Heroin is the most expensive drugs besides pharma pills and all of them even dilaided and 80s are fakes I think now. It’s bullshit.

I don't think I posted this before but I've noted that in the UK there is a stealthy trade in very pure (circa 95%) SE Asian heroin being sold in for £120-£130/gram. The thing being that it can be snorted and since most people know cocaine powder can still be powerful but appear physically different, I suspect users pay that premium so they can pretend it's something else.

It's a totally different market and AFAIK you cannot buy less than a gram and larger buys do not get the same discounts as brown does. Pharmacutical 'dry amps' also appear very occassionally but I've noted that they fetch less than brown on the basis similar heroin content. VERY niche and I bet that THOSE dealers are rarely targetted as it's a rich person's drug.

BTW that 5% is caffeine. It's added to lower the melting-point of the diamorphine hydrochloride so it can also be smoked,

 

[the_ketaman]

We are so, so lucky here is Aus that heroin is still potent and relatively easily available. Most of the fent is actually in other drugs liek counterfeit benzos, coke and whatever pther drugs they find their way into. Even the heroin doesnt usually have traces in it.

And I much prefer heroin, I dont mind morphine, oxy, methadone etc, but as potent as fent is, its not very euphoric and not very enjoyable. Just really strong.
Kinda like salvia, its really damn strong, but doesnt feel that great. Heroin has its own personality, its like it has an "entity" within and feels warm, cuddly, beautiful, content and satisfying. Fent just makes you so high and sp out of it that the only reason its hitting the spot is coz your so high and are so out of it that you cant tell the difference. I hope to god we never suffer the devastating crisos you americans are suffering with fent bcause it looks absolutly horrifying and so sad to see unfold. Heroin is a fuck of a drug in itelf and it has shaped, destroyed, changed and made my life so much harder than it ever needed to be for so, so many reasons but if it were fent I could see it multiplied by 100 at least and tbh id very likely be dead now. I really feel for you guys.
Heroin is a cunt of a drug and I wish id never gotten into it but I thank god that fentanyl never came here. Even though I really fucking hate heroin, I also really love it, its gotten me through some really hard times, as much as its caused me life crushing pain and really fucked up so much, its kept me sane and given me peace and pleasure at times where I wanted to die. If it were fent, I think I would have just intentionally OD'd and offed myself. It doesnt sound enjoyable at all.

 

[Demize]

We are so, so lucky here is Aus that heroin is still potent and relatively easily available. Most of the fent is actually in other drugs liek counterfeit benzos, coke and whatever pther drugs they find their way into. Even the heroin doesnt usually have traces in it.

And I much prefer heroin, I dont mind morphine, oxy, methadone etc, but as potent as fent is, its not very euphoric and not very enjoyable. Just really strong.
Kinda like salvia, its really damn strong, but doesnt feel that great. Heroin has its own personality, its like it has an "entity" within and feels warm, cuddly, beautiful, content and satisfying. Fent just makes you so high and sp out of it that the only reason its hitting the spot is coz your so high and are so out of it that you cant tell the difference. I hope to god we never suffer the devastating crisos you americans are suffering with fent bcause it looks absolutly horrifying and so sad to see unfold. Heroin is a fuck of a drug in itelf and it has shaped, destroyed, changed and made my life so much harder than it ever needed to be for so, so many reasons but if it were fent I could see it multiplied by 100 at least and tbh id very likely be dead now. I really feel for you guys.
Heroin is a cunt of a drug and I wish id never gotten into it but I thank god that fentanyl never came here. Even though I really fucking hate heroin, I also really love it, its gotten me through some really hard times, as much as its caused me life crushing pain and really fucked up so much, its kept me sane and given me peace and pleasure at times where I wanted to die. If it were fent, I think I would have just intentionally OD'd and offed myself. It doesnt sound enjoyable at all.

Bro throw a shrimp on the barbie iykwim. I assume your supply is emanating from SEA?

 

[4DQSAR]

We are so, so lucky here is Aus that heroin is still potent and relatively easily available. Most of the fent is actually in other drugs liek counterfeit benzos, coke and whatever pther drugs they find their way into. Even the heroin doesnt usually have traces in it.

From what people tell me, Austrasia has the purest heroin. But also the most expensive.

What I FEAR is that it would only take one bad actor to introduce something synthetic that is far more potent BUT long-acting (it is possible) at a much lower price, I know that former smuggler David McMillan noted that australisia offers unique risks but also offers unique oppotunities. He mentions quite early in one of his books that he and a couple of others worked out that between them, they supplied the vast majority of H in Astralia but the market had a limited size. Which is true if it costs hundreds of dollars per gram. But if someone brings in something they can retail in ten dollar units and it's a different proposition.

I'm certain no self respecting Austalian H user would stoop to a cheap synthetic but look at the US - A new generation who haven't even TRIED real H.

A long-term and very evil plan, but some people just want to get rich and I ASSUME that if you guys have at least one, it's going to be an issue. Nitazenes turning up sold as other stuff is a test run.