Opioids What do you find more enjoyable heroin or fentanyl?

[noclipuser]

I guess if you know you know...

Clonidine makes opioids work longer & better, benzos better, it makes barbiturates dangerous. It makes Z-drugs work better. Just because something does gets dubbed to have no "recreational effects" does not mean it is not working. I can tell a huge difference when I do not add it to my meds together.

It prevents pain signals transmissions to the brain and produces analgesia at pre-and post-alpha-adrenergic receptors in the spinal cord.
It is 40 times stronger than Xylazine mg per mg. If "Duraclon" was in the tranq-dope, about everyone would be dead.

Next time you meet a anesthesiologist ask them for Duraclon and watch their side eye pop up. Like this fool cannot handle that. Where did they even hear about it? We reserve that for cancer patients to add to their opioids when the opioids are not working to relief their pain. there is a reason Clonidine is used in epidurals.

The same reasons I take Clonidine with my opioids, Benzo, and Z-drug daily.

Interesting, I guess there is some potentiation with clonidine and depressants. My personal favorite combo would be gabapentin/lyrica and opiates. Even gave them longer legs. Soma was also great but good luck finding some now.

 

[Them Witches]

Interesting, I guess there is some potentiation with clonidine and depressants. My personal favorite combo would be gabapentin/lyrica and opiates. Even gave them longer legs. Soma was also great but good luck finding some now.

Gabapentin/Lyrica and opiates work well together.

I had a Soma Rx for awhile but because of state law only allows the patient to have 1qty schedule 2 opioid. I needed a 2nd opioid Rx so I had to stop Soma. In my state, the patient can have 2qty schedule 2 opioids with Cyclobenzaprine or Zanaflex.

 

[hellinabucket77]

It's not so important what I think - it's more that I foresee that such compounds will become listed in the CWC. After all, the VDV used some manner of fentanyl derivative in the Moscot Theatre Seige and it killed a lot of totally innocent people.

I've actually posted a thread on various institutions who are already saying such compounds should be listed and their voice is far more important than mine.

When you realize that H sells for $2000/Kg in Afghanistan, you realize that legal control is funding criminals and terrorists. The majority of the poppy grown to produce morphine and diamoprone (Heroin) as well as the direct precursors for oxycodone and oxymorphone come from Tazmania. It's possibly a good idea since it's reasonably secure given how remote the place is.

But as it stands, Grisham's law will always result in the most profitable (read potent) drug being cheaper on a per-dose basis and thus the one that will eventally take over the market.

I think that is the thing governments SHOULD consider. The 'war on drugs' has been fought and lost, pragmatic response is to make it all legal so people can choose. Hard to know how much a gram of pur H would cost but I would be surprised it it was more than £10 after tax and duty.¬

BTW Obviously intoxicated people should not be driving or operating heavy machinery. I don't think putting others in harms way is a right or a freedome.

Oh ok I got you now. I think it does matter what you think. No homo but at least you are educating people. I didn't know about the Tazmania thing. I always thought major production came from 3 different areas (regarding poppies) 1. middle east / Afghanistan region 2. Myanmar golden triangle area and 3. south American / Latin America where the BTH and #4 used to come from which supplied North American until the whole Fetty nightmare hit. I gotta look into what you said more. I wish there was a way to actually put what you said into practice. It looks like with the ways things are going though that will not happen in our lifetime. Glad there are people like you to at least educate people. I often feel like I should follow a new philosophy as without the #s, the non aggression principle / freedom of choice for adults (not including driving and other things that may hurt others like you stated should still be a crime imo)

 

[hellinabucket77]

Gabapentin/Lyrica and opiates work well together.

I had a Soma Rx for awhile but because of state law only allows the patient to have 1qty schedule 2 opioid. I needed a 2nd opioid Rx so I had to stop Soma. In my state, the patient can have 2qty schedule 2 opioids with Cyclobenzaprine or Zanaflex.

That's interesting. The Soma helped you? I am prescribed Soma 350 tid and methadone and it doesn't help with the breakthrough pain. Its a schedule 4 so its nice at least it has refills but the pain is that now most insurance companies won't pay for it for more than a month. I pay about 30$ for 90 a months so its not to bad with a discount card. If you don't mind me asking, what 2 opioids are you on and do they help more long term?

 

[PenguinWithNapalm]

Oh ok I got you now. I think it does matter what you think. No homo but at least you are educating people. I didn't know about the Tazmania thing. I always thought major production came from 3 different areas (regarding poppies) 1. middle east / Afghanistan region 2. Myanmar golden triangle area and 3. south American / Latin America where the BTH and #4 used to come from which supplied North American until the whole Fetty nightmare hit. I gotta look into what you said more. I wish there was a way to actually put what you said into practice. It looks like with the ways things are going though that will not happen in our lifetime. Glad there are people like you to at least educate people. I often feel like I should follow a new philosophy as without the #s, the non aggression principle / freedom of choice for adults (not including driving and other things that may hurt others like you stated should still be a crime imo)

Hey man! Good to see you back! In reference to what @4DQSAR said about fentanyl being used as a chemical weapon, at least I think that is what “CWD” partially stands for. If it isn’t then my point still stands. For years I have been saying that ultra-potent derivatives of fentanyl like carfentanil would be a chemical weapon by any other name. The lethal overdose dose (LD-50) of carfentanil (technically as tested in animals) is a lower than the LD-50 of VX nerve gas which is the most potent chemical weapon in the United States arsenal. I completely forgot about the Moscow theater incident where it was either a fentanyl derivative (I wanna say carfentanil) or fentanyl itself was literally used as a chemical weapon (I think it was used in combination with something else also) Crazy stuff.

 

[Them Witches]

That's interesting. The Soma helped you? I am prescribed Soma 350 tid and methadone and it doesn't help with the breakthrough pain. Its a schedule 4 so its nice at least it has refills but the pain is that now most insurance companies won't pay for it for more than a month. I pay about 30$ for 90 a months so its not to bad with a discount card. If you don't mind me asking, what 2 opioids are you on and do they help more long term?

Roxicodone 180mg-210mg and Methadone 40mg, Clonidine 0.9mg,

Yes this is the best PO combo due to high bioavailablity. All three work for the past 15 years. Before this combo, I have Rx'd everything under the sun for the past 38 years.

Roxicodone 30mg dissolved under the tongue is the best way to take it.

 

[Psychonauticunt]

Heroin, by a country mile.

Heroin is more euphoric, and longer lasting. Fentanyl is just super short-acting and basically a very sedative and strong painkiller. Recreationally pretty crap.

 

[4DQSAR]

@hellinabucket77 - yeah, Extraectas Bioscience (Formally Tazmanian Alkaloids) produces the majority of precursors for natural and semisynthetic opiates. India and other nations (even some in Europe) also produce morphine bearing products BUT due to an 80+ year old law, all those other suppliers can only trade in what is termed 'opium straw' i.e. the wole plant is cut and dried and the alkaloids extracted.

It's insane that the cost of production is higher than it needs to be because opium itself is subject to so many different national laws, some of them centuries old.

But it's opium straw that is the source of the dried pods some people apparently make tea from. So it fails if the aim was to stop it being a source and failed because it meant poor nations struggle to afford enough morphine for real medical utility.

The more you look, the more perverse the whole thing is. But the Greek and Roman empires both knew the benefits and risks associated with opium yet I could find no evidence that opium consumption was ever a social problem. Even in Europe, legal control is a relatively recent move and it has NOT worked out at all.

 

[KetWise]

@4DQSAR A lot actually grow in Europe, that's how I first got in contact with opium.

In some places there are massive fields, teams would go there, have their own spots, camp there and slice the bulbs in some discreet parts of the field to get the latex. It needed some logistics and some balls, staying months at the time until they got enough .. just as any seasonal job. Year after year it became more and more sophisticated and riskier with the authorities patrolling and all. Think about crossing few borders on the way back too... I got no idea if it is still a thing now, people being very secretive about that kind of stuff . And with drones and shit now it might be dead business.

Some real old school people would refine the raw opium and also others where making stronger stuff with it. The best would be a 2 year old opium at least.

Some chemists were using morphine to make actual diacethylmorphine and cut it 3 times with mannitol yet it would be still around 5 times stronger in average than the local dope. I know it sounds crazy but when everyone snorts 5 percent shit all year give them a 30 percent thing you'll end up with a ton of ODs. They would call it "pure".

Back on the opium, a less purer/stronger form was available among some circles, called "Rachacha". it is made with the dried rests of the whole plant .. They all had their own recipe. it was doing its job but you needed few grams at the time for someone with opiate tolerance. This low grade "opium" was very common in the summers where I lived. The potency of that opiate would vary greatly on how it was made and with what part of the plant... It was sufficient for opiate naive people to handle comedowns of cocaine/speed or k cramps.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachacha -- Cant find an English article about it

 

[Chaos21]

I remember the days before fent, it was nice. When fetty first started being mixed in with the H I loved it. But eventually there was no H left, just pure fentanyl. The fent got old quick, had no legs. You could snort right before bed and wakeup in withdrawal 6 hrs later.

I've relapsed a couple times and even with extended breaks the fent doesn't do shit for me anymore. I'll get a 20 and not even feel that good and just remember why I don't fw it anymore.. I used to be a huge H junkie I was snorting a g a day or doing a ton of the oxy 30s I lived it. Tbh it's a good thing I can't get good opiates anymore

 

[4DQSAR]

@KetWise - I believe most opium poppy is cultivated in places with climates that allow two crops per year, but it is even grown in the UK. So clearly it WILL grow in quite temerate regions, but I suggest that it's only going to yield one crop per year. I assume there are logistic advantages to make it worth the lower yield.

 

[Stassi202]

Do you find fentanyl is more enjoyable than heroin or do you find heroin more enjoyable than fentanyl?

I hear that some fentanyl is way more potent than heroin.

No disrespect at all, but this comment is frightening. Obviously you're unaware of the potency of fentanyl, yet you're asking people what they prefer, followed up by you "hear" that "some" fentanyl is more potent than heroin.

I can personally tell you most of what you want to know about fentanyl and heroin, I was addicted to both at different periods of my life, overdosed 3 different times, and that doesn't even scratch the surface. Here's something that's easy to understand, and in the meantime feel free to say or ask anything you want