🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2025 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

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For work I get a bit too entranced with music and become a bit too loose to regard it as a useful productivity boost the way that coffee is, but I have had some breakthroughs using it in work context because it can give a more birds-eye-view, 3rd person perspective, and a more creative and inspired attitude. It can just as easily completely distract me from work and remind me to do more of the joyous things in life like make music, go for a run, hang out with my kids.

Has been my experience as well lol. If I keep the doses low enough it's less of a problem. But I also feel like if I overdo it just a tiny bit, then I get too easily distracted to be productive.

Sometimes it has been pretty helpful. I wrote all of the discussion section of my Master's thesis in a slightly above microsing state. A the time I just intended to use it as a stimulant, I was going through some major life issues at the time and was feeling generally exhausted, but I had a deadline to meet so I thought of microdosing to help me power through. I feel very proud of the result, but it's quite funny reading it now, because I can deffinitelly feel the psychedelic influence haha. The writting style is deffinitely not my usual academic writing, and the way I connected some of the results feels a little bit swirly. But it worked quite well. One of the professors evaluating it specifically complimented the discusison section. I smiled to myself.

 

[unodelacosa]

Bit of a hot take here, but… powerful psychedelics aren't productivity tools. These are recreational substances, art-&-music-appreciation-enhancing compounds, sex-enhancing aphrodisiacs and spiritual substances, but they're notoriously not helpful with productivity. Obviously people should do what they want though – if they like so-called "microdosing" and the placebo helps them be creative, then that's fine. Keep believing it's effective. There is evidence though pointing to it being a placebo, and personally I don't like to fool myself, but so check it out:

• Microdosing's Feel-Good Benefits Might Just Be Placebo Effect ("A study found no significant difference in the well-being of participants who thought they were taking mini hits of psychedelics and those who actually were.")
• Microdosing and The Placebo Effect—What Do We Really Know?
• Is microdosing a placebo? A rapid review of low-dose LSD and psilocybin research

"Microdosing" is a buzzword predicated on anecdotal evidence and not backed by double-blind, replicable studies from the labs of reputed research groups. People should embrace tripping for what it is and not try to convince themselves that it's some drug it is not. Just use the proper, regular dose. Microdosing is pussyfoot tripping. If your life is so busy and hellish that you can't find time to fit a regular acid trip in, you should reevaluate your work/life balance. And of course I'm limiting my scope on this advice to those who are of sound body and mind enough to trip acid without serious risk, obviously.

Try taking 300 µg of LSD early Friday night (plan to be up until 3 or 4 am and sleeping in) or day trip on a Saturday or whenever you're off work and have a light schedule the next day, nothing hectic. Open up that third eye. Remember: set & setting are crucial – don't trip around people you have to hide the fact that you're tripping from them, and don't trip while you're grieving, going through a break-up or divorce or anything upsetting like that. Let that pass first. Be in a comfortable environment around people you trust and definitely have some good music or movies cued up and ready to enjoy. It may be wise to have a benzodiazepine like valium, xanax, ativan, etc. on hand in case you need to stop tripping. This is a last resort and I typically avoid using it, preferring to ride the trip out and retain my memories, but it makes me more confident in tripping knowing there's a way out if it's needed. Consider a trip-sitter, and avoid making drastic decisions or dramatic moves while you're tripping. Wait until you're sober to reevaluate things. And this is a much more rewarding trip often with longer-lasting effects that can be carefully integrated into our lives, influencing the way we think, the way we regard others, and the way we regard ourselves, all for the better when done right… and much more so than dipping your feet into the shallow end of the pool and considering yourself to have gone swimming, or rather, microswimming…

Unless you're especially sensitive to psychedelics (this is rare) or you're prone to mental illness (in which case you should probably abstain altogether), taking < 50 µg isn't enough to do anything distinguishable from placebo. Less than 100 µg is hardly worth the trouble. In my opinion, assuming zero tolerance, 200 - 400 µg is the sweet spot for most people. Then 400 - 600 µg is something for the experienced tripper and it's gonna be one hell of a trip, strap in. After 600 µg, I hope you know what you're doing, as some people start to go into a delirium around this point. At about a ten strip, or 1.0 mg, it becomes almost impossible for most people to enjoy the experience, though there are some real acid heads out there who can and do handle it with aplomb. Things start getting really confusing though here in my experience. After that, no guarantees. The next milestone would be a 5 x 5 square of 100 µg/hit blotter, or 2,500 µg, aka: 2.5 mg. Personally, I've drawn the line at a ten-strip.

 

[Esperighanto]

Bit of a hot take here, but… powerful psychedelics aren't productivity tools. These are recreational substances, art-&-music-appreciation-enhancing compounds, sex-enhancing aphrodisiacs and spiritual substances, but they're notoriously not helpful with productivity. Obviously people should do what they want though – if they like so-called "microdosing" and the placebo helps them be creative, then that's fine. Keep believing it's effective. There is evidence though pointing to it being a placebo, and personally I don't like to fool myself, but so check it out:

• Microdosing's Feel-Good Benefits Might Just Be Placebo Effect ("A study found no significant difference in the well-being of participants who thought they were taking mini hits of psychedelics and those who actually were.")
• Microdosing and The Placebo Effect—What Do We Really Know?
• Is microdosing a placebo? A rapid review of low-dose LSD and psilocybin research

"Microdosing" is a buzzword predicated on anecdotal evidence and not backed by double-blind, replicable studies from the labs of reputed research groups. People should embrace tripping for what it is and not try to convince themselves that it's some drug it is not. Just use the proper, regular dose. Microdosing is pussyfoot tripping. If your life is so busy and hellish that you can't find time to fit a regular acid trip in, you should reevaluate your work/life balance. And of course I'm limiting my scope on this advice to those who are of sound body and mind enough to trip acid without serious risk, obviously.

Try taking 300 µg of LSD early Friday night (plan to be up until 3 or 4 am and sleeping in) or day trip on a Saturday or whenever you're off work and have a light schedule the next day, nothing hectic. Open up that third eye. Remember: set & setting are crucial – don't trip around people you have to hide the fact that you're tripping from them, and don't trip while you're grieving, going through a break-up or divorce or anything upsetting like that. Let that pass first. Be in a comfortable environment around people you trust and definitely have some good music or movies cued up and ready to enjoy. It may be wise to have a benzodiazepine like valium, xanax, ativan, etc. on hand in case you need to stop tripping. This is a last resort and I typically avoid using it, preferring to ride the trip out and retain my memories, but it makes me more confident in tripping knowing there's a way out if it's needed. Consider a trip-sitter, and avoid making drastic decisions or dramatic moves while you're tripping. Wait until you're sober to reevaluate things. And this is a much more rewarding trip often with longer-lasting effects that can be carefully integrated into our lives, influencing the way we think, the way we regard others, and the way we regard ourselves, all for the better when done right… and much more so than dipping your feet into the shallow end of the pool and considering yourself to have gone swimming, or rather, microswimming…

Unless you're especially sensitive to psychedelics (this is rare) or you're prone to mental illness (in which case you should probably abstain altogether), taking > 50 µg isn't enough to do anything distinguishable from placebo. Less than 100 µg is hardly worth the trouble. In my opinion, assuming zero tolerance, 200 - 400 µg is the sweet spot for most people. Then 400 - 600 µg is something for the experienced tripper and it's gonna be one hell of a trip, strap in. After 600 µg, I hope you know what you're doing, as some people start to go into a delirium around this point. At about a ten strip, or 1.0 mg, it becomes almost impossible for most people to enjoy the experience, though there are some real acid heads out there who can and do handle it with aplomb. Things start getting really confusing though here in my experience. After that, no guarantees. The next milestone would be a 5 x 5 square of 100 µg/hit blotter, or 2,500 µg, aka: 2.5 mg. Personally, I've drawn the line at a ten-strip.

My highest dose of LSD was estimated to be ~35mg or so I recently realized, it was a full blackout for 4 hours, followed by a very slowly fading, roughly 4 day experience. Referring to microdosing as "pussyfooted tripping" is pretty reductionist imo, I do believe that subthreshold dosing is only useful for people trying to release BDNF and NGF in minor degrees, but taking just-above-threshold doses every once in a while can noticeably have a positive effect on mood imo.

Edit: As a software engineer, I had a noticeably, measureably higher productivity and quality of produced code when on LSD, mushrooms, cannabis edibles over 500mg, and ayahuasca, personally.

 

[unodelacosa]

My highest dose of LSD was estimated to be ~35mg or so I recently realized, it was a full blackout for 4 hours, followed by a very slowly fading, roughly 4 day experience. Referring to microdosing as "pussyfooted tripping" is pretty reductionist imo, I do believe that subthreshold dosing is only useful for people trying to release BDNF and NGF in minor degrees, but taking just-above-threshold doses every once in a while can noticeably have a positive effect on mood imo.

Edit: As a software engineer, I had a noticeably, measureably higher productivity and quality of produced code when on LSD, mushrooms, cannabis edibles over 500mg, and ayahuasca, personally.

Tripping can be excellent for brainstorming. I'm sure you know the stories of people like that guy who helped discover the double helix model of DNA which he said had been inspired during an acid trip, or how Steve Jobs said he was highly influenced from having tripped acid when he was younger, and the guy who started AA said he was aided by LSD in quitting drinking.

Brainstorm while you're using psychedelics. Then sleep and come to work the next day wired on "ADHD" stims like a normal code developer, I say, lol…

 

[perpetualdawn]

Unless you're especially sensitive to psychedelics (this is rare) or you're prone to mental illness (in which case you should probably abstain altogether), taking > 50 µg isn't enough to do anything distinguishable from placebo. Less than 100 µg is hardly worth the trouble.

Man if you're talking about LSD here, I have to strongly disagree! (although I definitely agree with your take on psychedelics being art and inspiration tools more than productivity tools!) I think you meant < 50µg and not > 50µg - but anywhere from 20µg to 50µg is clearly light tripping territory for me, not even threshold. I'm not prone to mental illness, but I am a bit sensitive to PDs - but myself aside I think a lot of street tabs are dosed around 50-70µg and most people definitely trip when they take them. I think you might be a higher than average tolerance if 50µg is borderline placebo?

10-20µg for me is threshold, 5-10µg is generally on the edge of perceptibility, so that's quite a bit lower than you're talking about. I would definitely sign up for a double blinded ID challenge with 10µg LSD vs. placebo.

I'm using 1p-LSD as my benchmark because I've never had reliably measured + dosed LSD. My assumption is that 1p-LSD is basically equipotent with LSD.

 

[Esperighanto]

Brainstorm while you're using psychedelics. Then sleep and come to work the next day wired on "ADHD" stims like a normal code developer, I say, lol…

Normal stims led me to become just super distracted, or to spend WAY too long on one tiny thing, but 50-75ug of LSD, 1-2-g of mushrooms, about a third of a dose of ayahuasca, or 1-2 HBWR seeds always did me good perfectly.

 

[unodelacosa]

Man if you're talking about LSD here,

I am.

I have to strongly disagree!

"Strongly" though?

(although I definitely agree with your take on psychedelics being art and inspiration tools more than productivity tools!)

I thought this would be more obvious to everyone. Doesn't sound like strong disagreement, either.

I think you meant < 50µg and not > 50µg

Correct, my bad. I've corrected it above; thanks for catching that typo.

- but anywhere from 20µg to 50µg is clearly light tripping territory for me, not even threshold.

Uh huh. And I'll bet you think strippers like you, too

Btw, I'm saying this in a light-hearted manner; I hope that's evident. I just don't buy that a ~10 - 25 µg dose of LSD every third day is making any difference easily distinguishable from placebo, especially as observed from a double-blinded researcher.

I'm not prone to mental illness, but I am a bit sensitive to PDs - but myself aside I think a lot of street tabs are dosed around 50-70µg and most people definitely trip when they take them.

This seemed to be the case more in the 90s from what I've read and observed, including data from the Darknet Avengers. I think the darknet markets era has ushered in newer standards for LSD dosing, and tabs are more accurately and generously dosed than in the past. And I'm not disputing that one can experience some "+" effects in the 50 µg - 70 µg range. That's past threshold. Idk, different strokes for different folks and all that, I just encourage people to be bold, take larger doses and trip face, not just try to bend psychedelics into this productivity mold to help them perform better at work or whatever. Sorry but I consider that self-delusional nonsense. Just my opinion here, but at least I have some studies to back up my claims, listed above.

I'm open to the idea that I'm wrong here, but I would need to see the science proving it before I'm willing to believe it. That's just me though; I stay pretty skeptical most of the time.

I think you might be a higher than average tolerance if 50µg is borderline placebo?

No, I'm talking about without any tolerance. I usually will opt for 2 to 5 hits depending on the itinerary and I space my trips out enough to let serotonin downregulation wear off and tolerance to die off first. I think it's just you perhaps being sensitive or readily manipulated by placebo. Most people are readily manipulated by it though, self-included which is why we should be diligent at remembering this effect.

10-20µg for me is threshold, 5-10µg is generally on the edge of perceptibility, so that's quite a bit lower than you're talking about.

You have to be willing to admit that this "edge of perceptibility" is indistinguishable from a placebo effect. No offense, but I highly doubt 5 µg or even 10 µg actually causes a noticeable difference in your vital signs, cognitive abilities, mental faculties, or your perception, again, beyond placebo.

I would definitely sign up for a double blinded ID challenge with 10µg LSD vs. placebo.

Right, did you see the study I linked to in which the researchers concluded that the so-called benefits of microdosing were placebo effects? "The researchers conclude that the anecdotal benefits of microdosing can therefore be explained by the placebo effect. That’s not to say that people who claim to feel benefits from microdosing are wrong, Szigeti says—on the contrary, the study suggests that they do feel these benefits—but that these outcomes may not be the result of the pharmacological effect of the drug but instead due to their psychological expectations."

It goes on to say: "A study published in January, also involving Imperial researchers, found that microdosers’ positive expectations before they started a microdosing regimen were predictive of their subsequent improvements in well-being: essentially, if they thought they would experience certain benefits, they did. The authors of that paper write that this is 'suggestive of a significant placebo response,' and say their study 'cautions against zealous inferences on [microdosing’s] putative therapeutic value'."

I'm using 1p-LSD as my benchmark because I've never had reliably measured + dosed LSD. My assumption is that 1p-LSD is basically equipotent with LSD.

Probably for the most part this is true, and I don't think it matters that much here or in most instances. 1-substituted lysergamide analogs of LSD are probably mostly pro-drugs to LSD anyway though they may have extremely similar activity on their own, too with only a portion of it having its 1-substitution removed in vivo.

 

[unodelacosa]

Normal stims led me to become just super distracted, or to spend WAY too long on one tiny thing, but 50-75ug of LSD, 1-2-g of mushrooms, about a third of a dose of ayahuasca, or 1-2 HBWR seeds always did me good perfectly.

You might be using the wrong dose and/or the wrong stims, though I'll note they're not for everyone. Regarding psychedelics, your accounts are anecdotal and, more over, above the thresholds for so-called "microdosing" and beyond the scope of its placebo-driven effects, to the extent that they exist.

My recommendation to those who microdose is to retire the superstition and use actual nootropics instead for productivity. For recreation, take some high dose trips and embrace the experience of deliberately placing yourself in a state of vulnerability, just do so with harm reduction techniques in a safe environment and with ppl you trust, and have a good state of mind coming into it. No need to "macrodose", either, just dose it per normal. You probably want one to three hits.

 

[xdrc]

Tripping can be excellent for brainstorming. I'm sure you know the stories of people like that guy who helped discover the double helix model of DNA which he said had been inspired during an acid trip

This is often repeated, but unlikely to be true.

Unless you're especially sensitive to psychedelics (this is rare) or you're prone to mental illness (in which case you should probably abstain altogether), taking < 50 µg isn't enough to do anything distinguishable from placebo. Less than 100 µg is hardly worth the trouble. In my opinion, assuming zero tolerance, 200 - 400 µg is the sweet spot for most people. Then 400 - 600 µg is something for the experienced tripper and it's gonna be one hell of a trip, strap in. After 600 µg, I hope you know what you're doing, as some people start to go into a delirium around this point. At about a ten strip, or 1.0 mg, it becomes almost impossible for most people to enjoy the experience, though there are some real acid heads out there who can and do handle it with aplomb. Things start getting really confusing though here in my experience. After that, no guarantees. The next milestone would be a 5 x 5 square of 100 µg/hit blotter, or 2,500 µg, aka: 2.5 mg. Personally, I've drawn the line at a ten-strip.

I think these dose suggestions are harmful. I know many people recommend jumping straight into the pool, but I think there is much to be gained from individual titration. My first dose of acid (ALD-52 to be specific) were 200 µg, being a cocky teenager who assumed that as I knew roughly what was coming, and Dr. Hofmann had 250 µg and somehow managed it, I could handle it too. Boy was I wrong, it resulted in a clean egodeath, rebirth, being detached from reality completely, even entity contact (Gevatter Tod with robe and scythe rippling through my room as if a multidimensional being intersecting with 3D space). The same type of experience was later repeated on 150 µg 1cP-LSD. I later tried 1/2 of a tab of supposed 150 µg 1T-LSD, and that was just sluggish and uneventful. Some time I'll probably do proper LSD, but only if I can account for dose and purity. I understand I'm not nearly as experienced with lysergamides as other psychedelics, but suggesting multiples of 100 µg as a first ever dose is not in line with my views on harm reduction. For a lot of people 100 µg is a full dose and plenty. If that wasn't enough, well, try again in two weeks!

"Microdosing" is a buzzword predicated on anecdotal evidence and not backed by double-blind, replicable studies from the labs of reputed research groups. People should embrace tripping for what it is and not try to convince themselves that it's some drug it is not. Just use the proper, regular dose. Microdosing is pussyfoot tripping. If your life is so busy and hellish that you can't find time to fit a regular acid trip in, you should reevaluate your work/life balance. And of course I'm limiting my scope on this advice to those who are of sound body and mind enough to trip acid without serious risk, obviously.

While I'm not here to tell people what's right and wrong, I do agree that microdosing sub-threshold is most likely placebo (based on I think all blinded studies so far). Mini-dosing might be another story, and why not as an aesthetic enhancer at low doses to blend in? Personally I've never found a dose of any psychedelic I tried with so far which did not interfere with productivity, but I understand responses to psychedelics are as individual as there are individuals.

That's past threshold. Idk, different strokes for different folks and all that, I just encourage people to be bold, take larger doses and trip face, not just try to bend psychedelics into this productivity mold to help them perform better at work or whatever. Sorry but I consider that self-delusional nonsense. Just my opinion here, but at least I have some studies to back up my claims, listed above.

I dislike the notion of using psychedelics for productivity (although this is admittedly due to some anticapitalist sentiments), but I'm not sure if it has to be gatekept this much. What even is the percentage of microdosers who don't take full trips once in a while? They definitely exist, and I recently saw the keyword "soberdelic" (which sounds nice, but does not make any sense upon dissection), but is it really so much of a problem? If I analyse my personal feelings towards microdosing, it becomes clear to me that I just disagree with newfound use of psychedelics being used to enforce society, rather than disrupt it. Doesn't make me as much of a misfit, a troublemaker (to paraphrase ""countercultural"" Apple) if anyone and their mom is using psychedelics, doesn't it?

 

[perpetualdawn]

No, I'm talking about without any tolerance.

Sorry wrong choice of words. I didn't mean tolerance from repeated use - I think you have a low sensitivity to psychedelics - you're a hardhead - if you find 50µg to be on the edge of placebo. There's a wide range of sensitivity to these drugs. For me, on 50µg of LSD I'm tripping enough that I wouldn't be comfortable driving, colours are saturated, thoughts are swirly and big, there's light fractal geometry, music is especially captivating and detailed, I'm full of energy and there's no way I could sleep. 50µg LSD is a perfect dose for partying all night and not tripping balls so much that I'm getting lost.

Right, did you see the study I linked to in which the researchers concluded that the so-called benefits of microdosing were placebo effects?

I'm not sure if I've read that specific study - didn't click the link - but I've read a study that came to that same conclusion, so could have been the same one. I'm not arguing that microdosing is beneficial, I've always had my doubts, but I've also experimented enough with it personally that I believe I would successfully be able to tell you if I was given the 10µg dose or not. My argument is that some people are much more sensitive to PDs than you are, it's not really correct to say that anything under 50µg is placebo for *everyone*.

 

[swilow]

What's good, kind souls?

 

[Cream Gravy?]

What's good, kind souls?

Long time no see! How’ve you been?

 

[Esperighanto]

What's good, kind souls?

Not much, having a lot of fun exploring different psychedelics, job hunting, getting back into my passions/hobbies, life is going pretty alright. How are things going for you?

 

[unodelacosa]

My argument is that some people are much more sensitive to PDs than you are, it's not really correct to say that anything under 50µg is placebo for *everyone*.

That's not what I said though. I'm saying that 50 µg is a weak dose that many people will just barely feel, aka threshold. What you described is barely feeling the drug. Sure, there's some gray area probably from 25 µg to 50 µg for most average-sized adults. Less than 25 µg is certainly nothing I would assume anyone could distinguish from placebo.

There's a wide range of sensitivity to these drugs.

Well aware, but let's not get carried away with that notion. I intentionally mentioned that there are outliers on either side of what's considered the threshold and the standard doses, respectively. I've talked about pharmacogenomics on other threads, and often speak of how people express enzymes differently and metabolize different drugs at differing rates from person-to-person, and that even changes throughout their lives individually. Also, remember that you're prone to the same placebos as the rest of us, myself included. I don't think you can accurately know when you've dosed 10 µg or merely think that you have. Your body will have a response in either scenario. That's my best conjecture anyway; why don't you set up a simple mutliblind study with a few others for yourself and test your accuracy over a set number of microdose-level trips and let us know how that goes. I think you'll be surprised how easily fooled your nervous system can be by your mind. It's profound, honestly.

I think you have a low sensitivity to psychedelics - you're a hardhead - if you find 50µg to be on the edge of placebo.

That alone is not enough to conclude that someone is a "hardhead" to use your Shulgin-based terminology. I'm actually sensitive to certain substances and less so to others – like most people. I'm not an outlier from the norm.

For me, on 50µg of LSD I'm tripping enough that I wouldn't be comfortable driving, colours are saturated, thoughts are swirly and big, there's light fractal geometry, music is especially captivating and detailed, I'm full of energy and there's no way I could sleep.

This is pretty much threshold, and while no, you shouldn't drive on 50 µg of LSD, if you needed to in an emergency you could drive just fine.

I'm not sure if I've read that specific study - didn't click the link

Okay. I'll cut you the benefit of the doubt and assume you weren't trying to be dismissive. You said you've always had your doubts, so I shared some links relevant to the topic. Your choice to ignore them of course.

How are you so certain you're taking 50 µg anyway? Are you testing your tabs with GC-MS, obtaining high-quality pure crystal LSD, or getting pharmaceutical-grade perfectly dosed at Sandoz Labs?

50µg LSD is a perfect dose for partying all night and not tripping balls so much that I'm getting lost.

I spent of number of years in my 20s following Phish, going to raves, and selling acid. In my experiences, not just for myself but for dozens of people I've known and met, 100 µg is the perfect party dose generally speaking. But like you said: this isn't universal; there are some people more or less sensitive to it, and the dose isn't but so accurate most times. There is some fault tolerance at least on blotter acid from hit to hit but regardless, as a rule of thumb, 100 µg is—and deserves to be—the standard single dose unit for regular LSD. Hits from the 1990s that were sub-100 µg notwithstanding, this has been a standard for a long time and for good reason. That's just my take on it anyway, take it or leave it.

Colours are saturated.

Speaking of which, have you had 4-HO-MET, aka: Colour. Beautiful drug, that one.

 

[perpetualdawn]

That's not what I said though. I'm saying that 50 µg is a weak dose that many people will just barely feel, aka threshold.

What I was referencing was:

taking < 50 µg isn't enough to do anything distinguishable from placebo.

which I disagree with - it's well past the placebo threshold, at least for me personally and I reckon for most people as well. I've taken small doses with a couple handfuls of people over the years and it's always kind of surprising how it works - 0.5g mushrooms, splitting a tab in 2 or 4, 2 LSD tabs in water split between 6 friends, stuff like that.

That alone is not enough to conclude that someone is a "hardhead" to use your Shulgin-based terminology. I'm actually sensitive to certain substances and less so to others – like most people. I'm not an outlier from the norm.

Fair enough I guess you just seem to me like you might be less sensitive to LSD than what I perceive of as the norm, or maybe more likely since you seem to have way more experiencing dosing the masses, I'm just a soft-head.

you shouldn't drive on 50 µg of LSD, if you needed to in an emergency you could drive just fine.

Yeah agreed. I've pulled of much more demanding and complex shit on much higher doses when I've needed to step up to the plate. When push comes to shove it's kind of amazing how capable you actually are while flying on LSD if you just decide to be.

I'll cut you the benefit of the doubt and assume you weren't trying to be dismissive.

Yes apologies if I came off that way, I just find myself overwhelmed with things to read on the internet (probably like everyone) and don't always feel up for clicking and reading every study that comes my way. I just feel like I know that general story already and don't disagree. It doesn't surprise me at all the microdosing doesn't show any measurable benefit in these studies - I mean it's meant to be on the edge of placebo so why would it produce a significant and measurable result?

How are you so certain you're taking 50 µg anyway?

I'm going on volumetric doses from tabs from the reptilian source of 1p-LSD for small doses. Who knows, maybe I have a bunch of hot overdosed tabs. I think it's probably in the range though. I've also played with cutting down street tabs into 1/4 and find these small doses to be totally perceptible.

I don't think you can accurately know when you've dosed 10 µg or merely think that you have.

Maybe when I'm back in contact with my stash I will do a self-blinded test of this. I was dreaming up a protocol for doing it - get some identical tiny containers and put water in half and water + 10µg in the other half. Label them each as to their contents on the bottom, and then cover that label with a removable mask. Then shuffle them and label the tops with unique IDs - at this point you don't know which is which because the contents are covered. Then you pull one randomly each day you test, note which ID you took and whether or not you thought it was placebo. Keep the containers and then at the end pull the label covers off and decode the results.

I'm open to the possibility that it's all in my head, this would be a way to find out!

Speaking of which, have you had 4-HO-MET, aka: Colour. Beautiful drug, that one.

Yes I tried it once and loved it. So fractal and visually beautiful, I don't normally get excited by that kind of thing, but it was amazing. I have just a little bit, would be good to stock more, thanks for the reminder.

 

[Esperighanto]

Yeah agreed. I've pulled of much more demanding and complex shit on much higher doses when I've needed to step up to the plate. When push comes to shove it's kind of amazing how capable you actually are while flying on LSD if you just decide to be.

The best code I've ever written in my life, if I were to guess the top 3 substances behind it, one was ketamine/lorazepam/hydromorphone in a hospital bed, one was 2C-B/4F-MPH/A tiny bit of etizolam, and the other was LSD/harmaline/coca tea. All of these have been while on heavy doses of cannabis.

Yes I tried it once and loved it. So fractal and visually beautiful, I don't normally get excited by that kind of thing, but it was amazing. I have just a little bit, would be good to stock more, thanks for the reminder.

Metocin is wild man, between metocin, psilacetin and miprocin, I've found 4-substituted tryptamines to be fascinatingly unique compared to mushrooms. The first time I used metocin, I insufflated ~17mg and it was the kind of trip where I'm watching my own consciousness as a self-transforming machine, emotions flowing out as streams of colors vibrating with life. I found myself accidentally writing things in Maine French without doing it on purpose while on metocin too, which was very strange.

I'm going on volumetric doses from tabs from the reptilian source of 1p-LSD for small doses. Who knows, maybe I have a bunch of hot overdosed tabs. I think it's probably in the range though. I've also played with cutting down street tabs into 1/4 and find these small doses to be totally perceptible.

I personally have also dealt with what you're defining as microdosing here, it's how I define it too, just barely reaching threshold but not quite being below it. A good way to feel it out with tabs off the street is to grab however much acid (a tenstrip, a sheet, whatever), and then find the lowest amount of the saline (with a pH slightly more acidic than neutral, citric or ascorbic acid work well) that gives effects, and then you at least know the threshold. With acid straight from the flask, I've found ~20ug to be threshold for me personally.

On the topic of this being a random social thread: I recently decided that I wanted to get rid of 100% of the pure MDMB-4en-PINACA that I had on hand, just a single gram, and it became probably 10,000 or so doses? 2,100 tabs and the remainder in vape juice. What the hell am I even supposed to do with this? I don't distribute shit, so it's going to be in my possession probably for the rest of my life I guess? At least it's pretty fun, it's like cannabis and PCP fused somehow. It also doesn't escalate my cannabis tolerance, honestly it feels like it sensitizes me towards the THC-O and HHC I've been working with for some reason. I treat MDMB-4en-PINACA the same way I do benzos, only using it with breaks in between periods of use, but tbh at super low doses, I'm not sure that it's crazy toxic.

Does anybody else here put things that are crystal in pre-dosed gel caps for the sake of standardized dosing and convenience? For example, I threw all of my psilacetin into gel caps of the same color/size, so I know I can get 15mg predosed intervals. Recently my fiance got me this gorgeous bubbler, and I've been getting back into salvia after finding a baggie of it when cleaning the house, and man, I forgot how wonderful salvia feels, I should get back into cultivating it. So many shit on it on the internet, but almost everybody I know who's used it irl (I'm talking straight leaf up to 3-5x extracts) have found it to be pleasant, only a rare few don't.

 

[perpetualdawn]

So many shit on it on the internet, but almost everybody I know who's used it irl (I'm talking straight leaf up to 3-5x extracts) have found it to be pleasant, only a rare few don't.

It's probably because irl you have good physical social networks and are exposed to people who know whats up, vs the internet is full of people who have no idea what they're doing and as a result are almost guaranteed to have a bad experience.

 

[Esperighanto]

It's probably because irl you have good physical social networks and are exposed to people who know whats up, vs the internet is full of people who have no idea what they're doing and as a result are almost guaranteed to have a bad experience.

That is probably true, I was living in an apartment that could house an ounce of fungi in a month easily. Acid is my favorite part of the food pyramid. I drank ayahuasca near daily for ~10 months. Being around people who also use psychedelics like I do has led to us definitely like, facing ourselves more than others, if that makes sense? I apologize for how stoned I am right now, 125mg of oral THC-O has me feeling like I took mushrooms. I definitely always have people around who care, typically my fiance and sometimes other friends, family, etc.

While I was on 9 gel tabs of either 200ug 25I-NBOMe and/or 400ug 25B-NBOH (they got mixed together in a spill) a couple days ago, I told my mother "Good morning!" with overwhelming, genuine enthusiasm at 3:00 PM. She just thought it was hilarious. When I couldn't see well, my fiance pointed out that I was close to sliding off of the bed at one point, there are always people around who are looking out for one another and I'm incredibly grateful that I've almost always lived that way.

 

[Pfafffed]

So many shit on it on the internet, but almost everybody I know who's used it irl (I'm talking straight leaf up to 3-5x extracts) have found it to be pleasant, only a rare few don't.

I really need to figure out how to cultivate it again, too. I miss it, especially as a quid.

 

[swilow]

Long time no see! How’ve you been?

Hey mate! Good to see/hear from you. I'm not the best, opioid addiction has taken hold and really dominating me. But I'm maybe midway through a multi month taper program and starting to feel a bit happier. I've had many bouts of addiction, but nothing as consuming as this one. Honestly felt more out of control than I ever have before. All while working in my library and stepping up the hierarchy into management, and lifting weights, making music, being normal. Nobody knows that I'm also slamming morphine multiple times a day. Such is the life of a functional addict...

Hiw are you? I recall you working as a prison guard- still doing that?

Not much, having a lot of fun exploring different psychedelics, job hunting, getting back into my passions/hobbies, life is going pretty alright. How are things going for you?

See above. Life is both rewarding and totally insane as ever. I probably need to have a good trip soon enough- it's been over a year. Might be time to consult the elves for a better way to live...

What's news on Bl? I don't see xorkoth around, have heard he's moved on. Anyone speak to him?