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US Politics the 2025 trump presidency thread

kris66 said:
The family members I was thinking about don't allow any racist comments and will openly speak out if someone does make a comment that is derogatory to a race or ethnic group in their presence. How they can support DT is beyond me. But they are very pro-life so I guess it becomes about that. It's not even a subject we can discuss.

But I have friends that support him and I couldn't tell you why they do. I know if asked they would go on and on, but it makes no sense to me. They may as well be speaking another language. I really think the media outlets they choose are playing a huge role though.
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So it sounds like your family definitely falls under reason 3) I gave above and your friends *may* fall under 1).
 
And just like that, leftists are about to be the most staunch anti-smoking folks in the country 😂

The man could quite literally find the cure for lung cancer and it still wouldn’t be enough
 
Jnowhere said:
Fascism- is like communism , in that it is expressed in many ways. Besides if Trump were a con man he would be a lot richer like all the globalists backing the left and attacking him. Trump ain't about to invade another country for territory.
He is a patriotic American, obviously you have been brain washed to hate America. Patriotism is different and Trump is more moderate than many conservatives. He uses his business knowledge to his advantage which is good for this country. Fasism is strong central Authority under a dictator, ah we saw 4 years of him; Biden was much more a dictator. Trump is not a racist or going to use force to obtain territory. He also will not use oppression like Biden did of the opposition, let alone violent suppression. State controlled monopolies under a centralized authority, with quasi capitalistic features? That would be Canada. He supports people's right to disagree and unlike Biden isn't going to weaponize the justice system to go after political opponents or have control of the media, like Biden and Obama and actually to a lesser extent Clinton.

You are arrogant and so brain washed you should be wearing a helmet all the time, with extra padding.

You don't understand fascism because you think anyone who disagrees and is patriotic is a racist. Not once did he suppress the media or weaponize the government agencies to go after the opposition like all the Democrats since Clinton. Wow you really should lay off the drugs, I have killed more brain cells than you were born with and yet you are still dumber than me even when I was drunk for last time before, Thank ALMIGHTY GOD I became allergic to alcohol.

Yeah keep regurgitating that bullshit from the leftist media and learn the real definition of fascism and he has done none of those things, while Biden did.
He like Clinton used the Justice Department and various 3 letter agencies to make up and go after those deemed a threat to their globalist left wingers radical political agenda.

At least now we have a real man in office. Even though I may disagree on some of his stuff, I sleep better having someone in Office who believes in free speech, doesn't weapons the Judicial system and is no one's puppet. Oh and keeping China from controlling the Panama Canal which we built, yes using a lot of pananamanian labor, but designed and funded by America. Jimmy Carter, gave it over too a corrupt dictatorial government and now The Chinese who are fascist and not really communist anymore are trying to take it over and fucking up America's economy and trying to take over as much of the world as they can. Greenlanders are more in favor of America having control and it might be for sale since the Danish government can't really afford it.
Him talking about Canada was more than a jab, more of a bitch slap to Trudeau. He ain't going to take anything with force. Besides so many Canadians hate Trudeau and America ain't taking over that mess to the North. We have enough problems after Bush, Obama, and Biden.

You are totally clueless. What exactly did he do during his first presidency, other than get attacked unfairly by both parties who want business as usual? Which is failing. Fucking Obama causing thousands of doctors to be arrested for prescribing needed meds and yes some Doctor Feelgood's but mostly screwing over pain patients and the existential threat to Marijuana legalized in many states by dumbass biden trying to make it a schedule 2 drug. Which means you need to go to a doctor and a pharmacy to legally get weed.

So now it could be back to shitty Mexican weed that is weak and old. Oh well there is Canadian pot, but their good weed never seemed to supply the demand, so shitty ass weed from Mexico if this federal judge gets his way.

Trump kept the look the other way policy but Biden may because of a federal judge fuck up our freedom.
Hopefully the DEA, under Biden will not keep there objective of going after prescription amphetamines, or the new opiod crisis as they called it under Biden.

A pragmatic patriot is not a fascist; Biden and Obama fit the real definition much better and so did Bush to a lesser extent. Besides they were always using race to divide and conquor. They were the racists. Oh you need more blacks and Hispanics, even if there was a a white, Asian or Middle Eastern person more qualified. That is racism.
The left doesn't talk much anymore about MLK. Something about judging a person not by the color of their skin but the content of their character. Which doesn't align well with affirmative action.

Lay off the drugs and preserve the very few brain cells you have left.
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Trump shows a complete disregard for existing checks and balances meant to protect the system from people like him. He dismantles entire departments that aren't even his responsibility as president. He violated the separation of powers by refusing a court order. He also threatened the judge in question with consequences. Not to mention, he now openly talks about serving a 3rd term as well. He speaks about "getting Greenland" like its 1939 Poland. It's not his to "have". You know this behavior of him is really damaging global security. If the leader of the free world can have "his" Greenland then Putin can have "his" Ukraine and Xi can have "his" Taiwan. IDK if you are aware but Trump did put his followers in key positions everywhere and proceeds to crack down on media, politicians, universities, judges, etc so everyone falls in line. Exactly that happened in Nazi Germany. Oh and critics are being systematically silenced by maga shitstorms which is another element of fascism.
 
4DQSAR said:
'Build, Baby, Builf'
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Oy, yeah, that's the one I tried to listen to. Mix of eduction/entertainment by the podcasters, but they seem to be sticking to facts and giving their take on it. Fair enough. I couldn't quite finish, so I'll give it another go and perhaps try one of the others as well. Thanks for sharing.

4DQSAR said:
isn't it more constructive to learn how and why Donald Trump still manages to captivate large swarths of the American public?
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Absolutely agree. This applies to anyone weilding power. Those of us effected can whinge and continue to get smacked about or try to understand the why of his motivations (anyone's really, that has power at the time), and their communication methods (are they effective, why, and how to separate bluster from plans). Only by understanding intent and methodology can we decipher what's really coming and be properly prepared.

4DQSAR said:
Donald Trump is the president of the USA and if you want to change things, you need to understand how he operates. I've alreadly highlighted the closed loop between DT and Fox News. He does something, they applaud, he watches Fox and is assured he's a genius.
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Agreed above for the need to understand. I will caution, however, that as ego centered as he is, the love fest with Fox you describe ain't quite that. Murdoch family that owns Fox hates him. And while Fox gave a lot more favorable media time over the years than the left leaning outlets, they haven't been as supportive in recent years. I wouldn't call them unbiased, still lean right IMO, but the symbiotic-parasitic relationship of him and Fox feeding off one another isn't what it may have been in the past. To that point, he shifted to Truth Social and Twitter at times, bypassing all MSM (Fox included) so as to broadcast his message direct to the masses, without MSM filters.

And, this term he is largely in a different mindset of not caring what media thinks or says. Any of the outlets.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
I will caution, however, that as ego centered as he is, the love fest with Fox you describe ain't quite that. Murdoch family that owns Fox hates him. And while Fox gave a lot more favorable media time over the years than the left leaning outlets, they haven't been as supportive in recent years. I wouldn't call them unbiased, still lean right IMO, but the symbiotic-parasitic relationship of him and Fox feeding off one another isn't what it may have been in the past. To that point, he shifted to Truth Social and Twitter at times, bypassing all MSM (Fox included) so as to broadcast his message direct to the masses, without MSM filters.
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Well, specifically Rupert Murdoch has certainly stated his dislike of Donald Trump but I would argue that the fact leaked out rather than RM actually broadcasting the fact. RM is a deeply unpleasant man but I credit him with being intelligent and we have a 40+ year old joke regarding the Murdoch media empire - 'If they were put a Conservative ribbon on a pig, the RM newspapers would still tell there readers to vote Conservative'. Don't forget - he founded his empire in the UK so we know a lot more about him.

RM clearly understands what he personally and more generally the family will gain from a DT government. Although his entire family are now in a (closed) court battle over the future of the joint trust that owns most of the assets. As I understand it, because RM seeks to place one son in charge - the son who most closely aligns with RM's own views.

But I'm quite prepared to accept that DT has now chosen his own social media platform. Someone did recently post an intervew between DT and a Fox staffer and even the very gentlest correction seemed to erk DT. I've always noticed that double-standard. Free speech is only 'an inaliable right' when it's the right saying things. They seem rather thin-skinned whenever someone makes even a cautious correction.

I just checked and it's claimed there are 6.7 million active users of Truth Social which strikes me as quite a small minority of US citizens. Is that because they are the only ones he needs to keep things moving? Because that term 'flood the zone' interested me. As I understand it, the term means something along the lines of 'If a US president makes a major policy decision every single day - they will always be the headline news'. Have I got that right? Because nobody can claim Donald Trump hasn't managed to do that. I'm not sure if he consciously does it, his advisors understand 'flooding the zone' or if he really has adopted the 'move fast and break things' paradigm.

@TheLoveBandit - I appreaicate that input.

@LucidSDreamr - Religion is the one element it's hard for me to judge in the context of current US politics. Britian is a majority secular state. What we have is fragmented.
 
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kris66 said:
The family members I was thinking about don't allow any racist comments and will openly speak out if someone does make a comment that is derogatory to a race or ethnic group in their presence. How they can support DT is beyond me. But they are very pro-life so I guess it becomes about that. It's not even a subject we can discuss.

But I have friends that support him and I couldn't tell you why they do. I know if asked they would go on and on, but it makes no sense to me. They may as well be speaking another language. I really think the media outlets they choose are playing a huge role though.
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We have to differentiate between people who voted Trump and may or may not support him strongly for various reasons and his hard core base. That ~ 30% that are his fervent base of support are indeed finally folks I will not give my time and energy to, but we do have to remember it is not all. If someone is explaining away even the most clear and egregious BS, that's a good sign that trying to engage in a civil and logical discussion is useless.
 
I missed that original comment, so I'm glad @brokedownpalace10 highlighted it.

Only yesterday a British journalist had noted that Nigel Ferage is similarly careful not to allow Tommy Robinson (specifically) or outspoken racists into the political parties he has founded. It's fine to infer things in a way that provides for credible deniability but not fine to openly state such things.

I think you are quite correct in asserting that you can't use rational argument to alter an opinion that isn't based on rational argument. Helen Lewis mentioned that the DT core base appear to indulge in 'magical thinking' i.e. they don't differentiate between a thing being said and that thing being done (or not done).
 
Voxide said:
And just like that, leftists are about to be the most staunch anti-smoking folks in the country 😂

The man could quite literally find the cure for lung cancer and it still wouldn’t be enough
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I'm sure that has something to due with all of the rampant corruption, destroying the economy, and taking your grandmother's social security
 
Just like Biden, but a district federal judge stop the can't powers given to a President by the constitution. Excutive power is given to the President and Biden used it and so is Trump. He hasn't abused it sorry, but you just like his policies.🤣🤣
 
Jnowhere said:
Just like Biden, but a district federal judge stop the can't powers given to a President by the constitution. Excutive power is given to the President and Biden used it and so is Trump. He hasn't abused it sorry, but you just like his policies.🤣🤣
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The guys got like 150 pending lawsuits against him due to his executive orders and actions. He's literally floated the idea of a third term multiple times, a couple months into his second term. You're mistaken if you think he hasn't abused executive power. It's too much to even list how much shady business dude has done or been involved with.
 
The left didn't complain about Biden doing the same thing except that Biden went too far. Trump has had to undo all of Biden's executive orders that were actually illegal.
Trump hasn't their are left wingers activist judges who have no power to stop constitutionally granted powers given to Trump. Besides he is just undoing Biden's crap, that he or someone issued executive orders.

Biden can't remember. Obama tried ruling by decree. He was worse than Trump. I am not a huge supporter of any president since Reagan who with the Iron Lady(M. Thatcher) brought down communism. Brought the economy and built up our military. Oh, you guys gonna bitch because he went after drugs? Haha, I have grown up and realized drugs lead to destruction even alcohol. Time to take my meds, time to feel good.lol
 
Jnowhere said:
(M. Thatcher) brought down communism.
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I hate to tell you, but Thatcher's domestic policies made her the most hated Prime Minister in British history.

But I think it more important to point out we are discussing the legal changes regarding flavoured cigarettes and my have slipped OT a little.
 
I think Trump is doing a great job! I mean, what's more patriotic than having college students kidnapped! That's a real patriot right there I'll tell ya. Ship 'em off to Venezuela!
 
nuttynutskin said:
I think Trump is doing a great job! I mean, what's more patriotic than having college students kidnapped! That's a real patriot right there I'll tell ya. Ship 'em off to Venezuela!
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Are you referring to Rümeysa Öztürk, Mahmoud Khalil, Leqaa Kordia or other?
 
Jnowhere said:
Besides he is just undoing Biden's crap,
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trump has already signed 107 executive orders in his second term. of those only 2 revoke executive orders by joe biden: Initial Rescissions of Harmful Executive Orders and Actions; Memorandum for the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, the Administrator of the United States for International Development

2 eos "undoing biden's crap" and 105 doing other stuff.

suggesting his executive orders are "just undoing biden's crap" is demonstrably incorrect.


Jnowhere said:
Obama tried ruling by decree. He was worse than Trump.
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total number of executive orders signed by obama: 276 (8 years)
total number of executive orders signed by trump: 327 (4 years and 3 months)

alasdair
 
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