US Politics the 2025 trump presidency thread

[fairnymph]

I have never said I believe or like Elon or Trump. I don’t trust either of them. So I have no reason to support them - I don’t support them. But I thought this was a thread about Trump and Elon is now heavily involved with the Trump administration?

The fact that there are bots is not relevant to any of this. I’m well aware that Twitter is full of bots. Neither is a number of likes or reposts. It’s wild how many assumptions you’re making.

So why are you only coming after me for posting tweets something which other people in this thread do too?

Really not cool behaviour.

 

[4DQSAR]

Yet you repeately put there posts onto this thread and assert that what they say is true.

So how come? If you don't, as you claim, trust them? Why would you do that? Why would you limit your sources to just those two social media accounts?

You are alone in that behavior. Everyone else at least provides other sources. I might disagree but at least I can understand how someone might arrive at a conclusion.

Or do you feel that 'because I say so' is sufficent 'evidence'? Because it's precicely the same 'evidence' that Elon Musk and Donald Trump employ. The difference is, on BL, people are free to point it out.

You are quite free to block my posts if you don't like someone pointing out that you are merely 'conclusion shopping'.

But I'm sure others will continue to point it out.

 

[fairnymph]

Yet you repeately put there posts onto this thread and assert that what they say is true.

So how come? If you don't, as you claim, trust them? Why would you do that? Why would you limit your sources to just those two social media accounts?

You are alone in that behavior. Everyone else at least provides other sources. I might disagree but at least I can understand how someone might arrive at a conclusion.

Or do you feel that 'because I say so' is sufficent 'evidence'? Because it's precicely the same 'evidence' that Elon Musk and Donald Trump employ. The difference is, on BL, people are free to point it out.

You are quite free to block my posts if you don't like someone pointing out that you are merely 'conclusion shopping'.

But I'm sure others will continue to point it out.

I’ve posted content from at least five different social media accounts. You need to go back through this thread and look at what I actually posted.

When have I ever asserted that the social media I’m reposting is true? Find me one example.

What sources have you posted? Many people in this thread don’t post any sources.

 

[4DQSAR]

Well - as it took those of us who understand AI works pointed out AND provided evidence for, you reposted this.

No mention of 'you can't trust social media' mentioned.

 

[4DQSAR]

Looks like I was right about Trump and tariffs - this is quite reasonable. This is a tweet today from Trump:

On Trade, I have decided, for purposes of Fairness, that I will charge a RECIPROCAL Tariff meaning, whatever Countries charge the United States of America, we will charge them - No more, no less!

For purposes of this United States Policy, we will consider Countries that use the VAT System, which is far more punitive than a Tariff, to be similar to that of a Tariff. Sending merchandise, product, or anything by any other name through another Country, for purposes of unfairly harming America, will not be accepted. In addition, we will make provision for subsidies provided by Countries in order to take Economic advantage of the United States. Likewise, provisions will be made for Nonmonetary Tariffs and Trade Barriers that some Countries charge in order to keep our product out of their domain or, if they do not even let U.S. businesses operate. We are able to accurately determine the cost of these Nonmonetary Trade Barriers. It is fair to all, no other Country can complain and, in some cases, if a Country feels that the United States would be getting too high a Tariff, all they have to do is reduce or terminate their Tariff against us. There are no Tariffs if you manufacture or build your product in the United States.

For many years, the U.S. has been treated unfairly by other Countries, both friend and foe. This System will immediately bring Fairness and Prosperity back into the previously complex and unfair System of Trade. America has helped many Countries throughout the years, at great financial cost. It is now time that these Countries remember this, and treat us fairly – A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR AMERICAN WORKERS. I have instructed my Secretary of State, Secretary of Commerce, Secretary of the Treasury, and United States Trade Representative (USTR) to do all work necessary to deliver RECIPROCITY to our System of Trade!

How about this? The tarriffs weren't reciprocal as you asserted - I believe I even worked out that Donald Trump conflated 'export surplus' with 'tarriff' and if I'm not mistaken, even found an interview in which he stated the fact.

You also don't appear to even have the FAINTEST grasp of taxation within the US. EVERY state levies a 'sales tax' on goods and just like VAT, it doesn't matter where an item was produced - you pay tax on it. There is also property tax and income tax. SO how does the US economy differ from other nations?

It hasn't aged well, has it? Other nations then DID institute tarriffs and to the surprise of nobody, the US stock market saw a loss and Donald Trump was forced to halt tarriffs - as some of us had pointed out (with references) weeks before.

A 'level playing field' is what the US HAS. the fact it's unable to produce goods at a lower price than other nations are able to produce AND import them is more a question of WHY US manufacturers are unable to compete. I even went into some depth in explaining the reasons.

So you DO have a track record of posting arguably far-right propaganda without any effort to justify. In the rare cases you attempt to justify, it quickly becomes apparent you haven't conducted even the mosy cursery analysis - you have simply agreed with whatever was said in the post.

 

[fairnymph]

Well - as it took those of us who understand AI works pointed out AND provided evidence for, you reposted this.

No mention of 'you can't trust social media' mentioned.

So? Wasn’t about the the fact that the video was posted on X. The search engine is just better on there. AI ability to gauge the similarity of human gestures is irrelevant because my entire point was that human gestures are inherently messy & vague and it’s foolish to read so much into them.

And here is yet another example of my posting a message that not from or about Elon or Trump.

 

[4DQSAR]

I have mentioned Hitchen's Razor many times. It's a simple tool which you would do well to employ.

'That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence'.

It's nobody else's job to prove you wrong - it's up to YOU to prove what you say is true.

But you never provide ANY evidence. You DO regularly agree with the posts - even when they are provably false. Then you don't respond. You never even aattempt to defend a statement. That's telling.

I've never used threats, insults or even an aggressive tone. I have extended every courtesy. If it's 'not cool' to point out that someone provides no evidence - that's on you, I'm afraid. I've given no reason for complaint. If it offends you, maybe you should be looking at what you post a little more. Just a thought.

If you are simply in the business of reposting social media posts then it does somewhat expose those prejudices SO, SO VERY WELL.

Why?

Because search engines USE AI. So you are being spoonfed what the algorithm has noted you previously taking an interest in. In short, the algorithm has uncovered your prejudices!

Talk about being condemed out of your own mouth.

The fact you infer that AI lacks the ability to judge non-verbal communication is quite true. So? Do you use interprative dance to search the internet? No? Do you type in text? Yes? Which is why the AI currently used analyses the users textual inputs. In fact, it's OPTTIMIZED to analyze textual input hence the fact that AI software has scraped every piece of text on the internet and indeed every printed word via OCR of every book available.

THat you plainly don't know that makes you the perfect customer. |That and very obvious prejudices - that makes it easy for them.

Don't forget - you are quite free to block me.

 

[jasperkent]

A tiny silver lining on the cloud of Trump's assholery....

How Trump's threats revived Justin Trudeau's Liberal Party in Canada

Justin Trudeau's party was headed for near-certain defeat - until the US president said he wanted to make Canada the 51st state.

www.bbc.com

 

[4DQSAR]

Well the one thing we know about f Mark Carney is that he's a career economist whose work for 12 years, at least, is open to public scrutiny.

My prediction is that certain members of the US government will be carefully reading every single word written about the man in the hope of finding even the tiniest flaw. Make no mistake, it's impossible for every policy-maker to have a 100% record but even the most minor error will be HUGELY amplified in an attempt to undermine the man's ability.

But in spite of that - I think it would be hard to find someone more suited to dealing with certain neighbouring nations.

I think the mistake made by other nations is the general feeling that they don't want to stoop to the gutter politics of the current US government. IF Canada just turned off the energy supply to the US without warning, there would be uproar. But if it was the other way around, does anyone really think that such a tactic wouldn't be used with impunity?

As far as I've been able to find out, it wouldn't result in immediate blackouts within the US. Rather it would increase the price and likely IF there was a shortate of power, it would be industrial operations that use large amounts of electricity that would be closed rather than power being lost to homes. Ironically, it's aluminium production that is one of the largest consumers of electricity.

Given time, you can be certain that the current US government WILL ensure that they have sufficient generation capacity so it's a tacxtic whose utility will only decrease with time. Industry consumes 22% of the electricity, Canda supplies less than 22% so there is no reason for people to go without power - if they do, that's a conscious choice. One thing is for sure, Canada is exporting less and less electricity to the US anyway, so as a lever, the time to use it is now.

I hate the thought of the US public suffering, but ask 'why?' is the US importing energy from Canada. Because Canada can produce it at a lower cost, so all it will do is show US consumers what there bills will be like in a couple of years time anyway.

It IS hard to find decent information on the topic, but I've done my best to provide a balanced view. The target is not the American people but rather the current US government.

 

[Jen X]

Also alot of your refineries are built to handle Canadian tar sands oil. So you guys will have to change that which wouldn't be cheap.
Trump is just a bully and he is more concerned with looking like one then the American people.
You think he cares if gas prices double?

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Also alot of your refineries are built to handle Canadian tar sands oil. So you guys will have to change that which wouldn't be cheap.
Trump is just a bully and he is more concerned with looking like one then the American people.
You think he cares if gas prices double?

I've said it before and I'll say it again I've said it before

A Trumper is someone angry at their lot in life because they ended up making a living performing menial tasks for the kids they picked on in high school.

Just assume that and it really explains a lot.

 

[tryptakid]

A tiny silver lining on the cloud of Trump's assholery....

How Trump's threats revived Justin Trudeau's Liberal Party in Canada

Justin Trudeau's party was headed for near-certain defeat - until the US president said he wanted to make Canada the 51st state.

www.bbc.com

Reminds me of something I heard on the radio the other day - Trump is leading to an increase in EU commitment to one another and has incentivized them taking more of an active role in world affairs, something that America has overwhelmingly curated for the past 25 years and beyond. This has galvanized activity in the eurosphere that had been rather quiet for a generation.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Idea: We put SpaceX in charge of maintenance on Air Force One.

 

[Jen X]

It was racist and Donald Trump likes the brothers. Judge Joe Brown talked about seeing him many decades ago walk into a bar alone and sat down with bunch of regular black dudes. He doesn't drink, but just liked hanging out with black dudes.

Rich white guys are boring. And Trump even helped in Jesse Jackson's presidential bids. He like Ronald Reagan switched parties but he is not a conservative. He is more pragmatic and all the endless attacks were because white dudes with more money like Warren Buffet 150 -200 billion net worth same with Bill Gates. Trump is worth just under 4 billion.

Rich globalist like George Soros net worth 14 billion + Him and his son and a lot of rich white guys are globalists and want a one world government which means foreigners would rule America, Because after all China has over a billion more people and India is pretty close to that. They have no regard for American's freedom or sovereignty.

Trump believes in the Constitution and America's soveignty and they will do whatever they can to try to ruin this country and set up a government of the elites.
And pot is illegal yet I could legally grow it, I don't and it is a Federal crime. No respect for the federal government. These liars will make up anything to try to bring him down.

It is hilarious listening to Bill Maher, a left winger go after the woke bullshit and the cancel culture. The left has ruined free speech, comedy and only has tolerance to those who walk in lock step with their agenda.

49% of Hispanics want the boarders closed. Blacks , a majority are against defunding the police.

They( the rich out of touch leftists and their multi gendered followers just want a brainwashed America, which is evil in their eyes). Any bullshit to take him down. Even some of the Republicans hate him because he is not anyone's puppet.

There is no bribes he doesn't need it. You liberals will criticize him no matter what he does.

He recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and still maintained good relations with Saudi Arabia and most of the Gulf States on the Arabian peninsula.

Biden pissed them all off and ruined the peace that was emerging in the middle east. At least he stopped a pipe line of natural gas from Israel to Europe. So now the Russians have a great source of revenue and more power. Great job Biden. Alienating our friends in that region.

This is about freedom and the looney left is trying to control everyone's lives.

Who started the war on opiods, Obama.
What about pain patients, well let them suffer.

Trump is trying to restore freedom and not allowing menthol because of the kids. Fuck that bullshit, they sound like the minister's wife on the Simpsons. What about the children. That's how they see blacks.

Instead of just leaving Marijuana alone Biden tried to make it schedule 2. You know what that would mean. You would have to get a doctors prescription every time you wanted weed legally. There is a Federal judge who could potentially ruin the hands off and look the other way policy. My states democrat governor cut morphine equivalent from 90mg to 60mg. Fucking me over. What is it with the left trying to control medicine and freedom. Or basically censor and cancel anyone who disagrees with them. They are the ones who have caused a huge increase in prices of necessities and Lucid what would do you care about the middle class if your bragging is true, you are a multi millionaire who makes a lot of money and whose wealth grows.

Maybe people are sick and tired of rich out of touch with reality leftists whose goal is to lie and silence anyone who doesn't agree with their agenda.

Hell, some of those idiots want to get rid of cops and prison. I guess that would mean people could go out and kill those they don't like or want to rob. And you would be defenseless to protect your self or your wife. You had a post about being in a sexless marriage. News flash, I have read some of your posts. Women lose interest in guys they have to take care and leave work to help you through your crises.

That is how that idiotic Harris sees everyone. The way she and all her elitist followers; see the average person as a child and they want to control our lives,
get rid of free speech, thoughts and take away freedom. This is about control and slowly eroding freedom and making us slaves to the government who knows little about medicine yet they terrorize doctors. Not everyone who takes opiods is a junkie. I am long term pain patient and doctors are too scared to give me a little more because after 8 years+ My tolerance has grown and I am only on 1/8 of what medical literature says is the maximum I should take.

This is all about conditioning people to accept Big Brother controlling their lives.
I hate menthol cigarettes but love the tobacco I buy and make my own with a nice little machine and filtered tube's.

This is about control. Trump is trying to restore freedom; something the left wants taken away.

Telling women what to do with their bodies is restoring freedom?

 

[Jnowhere]

It is another humans body, beside The left has banned( essentially pain meds) why can't a woman or a man have them. They left is always wanting to kill babies. Sacrifices for Moloch. The only freedom the leftist care about. But then again, look at everything else.

He isn't banning anything The US supreme court decided that each of the 50 states and DC, should decide. Trump is the president not a Supreme Court Member.

We don't have the benefit of a dictator. Like Trudeau. We don't have state sanctioned Monopolies like Nazi Germany and Canada.
Besides that is all you care about? Women can go to different states. Besides they aren't banning. Some states have limits such as you must be 18 to not have a parent or guardian sign off on the abortion.
Or no partial birth abortions, some times they push the viable baby back inside and cut its little throat or break his or her little neck. They could live at that point outside the womb. Wah wah, baby crying; push the little guy back in; and kill it.

Trump is not doing anything, and I shouldn't have to pay for abortions. Besides the Supreme Court decided these thing. We are not blessed with a divine tyrant like Trudeau. Besides you live in paradise; Canada. Why can't you get outside media and how come the police do nothing when they arrive hours later if at all. Why can't a normal young couple ever hope to own a house? In so many areas houses that would be 1.5 million Canadian are well under 500,000 Canadian for the same house in a similar area.
Besides aren't you past child bearing age and didn't you not want kids. The left talking points or lies is what you get. Need an abortion I could tell where several where a couple are near me are but I wouldn't you would have to figure it out. It ain't banned. Only the states make the laws.
Please tell me when President Donald Trump was Supreme Court Justice Trump? This ain't Canada,
The courts are seperate and can't be influenced or big trouble. 3 branches of government not one man and his lap dogs.

Besides This ain't your country. Do you attack all the Muslim countries where it is not only illegal but illegal ones could be harshly punished.
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Worry about your country. Trudeau is great and everything is affordable. Taxes are low, rent is cheap, business monopolies are crushed and Americans flock to Canada to get operations. Wow look at all the freedom from outside media. Thanks Big Brother. Thanks for telling me what words I can say.
Thanks for letting me know what to think and say. Wow thanks for not locking up criminals. Thanks for high prices. Thanks for dividing people up even worse than Biden Did.

You inherited your house. Like me. But I could have easily bought a better one. Mine would be unaffordable in Canada to most with a big back yard and a nice private pond. I live in a nice quit neighborhood with a 3 car garage and 45minutes to mow with a brand new self propelled Toro with a decent size mowing deck.

So many opportunities and freedom to say what you want with no fear of being fired. Harassed for political beliefs only by nuts and not the government.

 

[4DQSAR]

Also alot of your refineries are built to handle Canadian tar sands oil. So you guys will have to change that which wouldn't be cheap.
Trump is just a bully and he is more concerned with looking like one then the American people.
You think he cares if gas prices double?

Previously I pointed out that the average production cost of crude oil within the US is about $34/barrel but since most new production is off-shore, economists have estimated that such production will cost around $78/barrel. Canadian oil is forecast to cost around $65/barrel in the same time-frame.

I discovered that the average OPEC production price is just $23/barrel so in any price war, OPEC WILL win.

But the US seems hell bent on being self-sufficent in oil. Energy security is their goal - but it IS going to cost consumers a lot more and given that it's used by so much industry, products of those industries will increase in price.

Canadda produces heavy crude as well as light crude. Apparently the US has a shortage of heavy crude so has to trade light-crude for heavy crude. Canada has both, so when it comes to being self-sufficient, Canada is in the better position and clearly why Donald Trump seeks to annex Canada. Or did people think it was an act of altruism?

One thing Canda can be certain off - Europe would happily purchace Canadian oil and oil products. Putin attempted to use energy as a weapon, undoubtedly Donald Trump would do the same given the chance, so a reliable and trustworthy supplier would be much in damand.

 

[fairnymph]

How about this? The tarriffs weren't reciprocal as you asserted - I believe I even worked out that Donald Trump conflated 'export surplus' with 'tarriff' and if I'm not mistaken, even found an interview in which he stated the fact.

My entire point - if you actually read ALL my posts - was that I suspected he was using tariffs as a negotiating tactic, and that he would back down on the tariffs, which he did to an extent. I was not judging his behaviour; I was attempting to understand his motivations.

 

[fairnymph]

I have mentioned Hitchen's Razor many times. It's a simple tool which you would do well to employ.

'That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence'.

It's nobody else's job to prove you wrong - it's up to YOU to prove what you say is true.

But you never provide ANY evidence. You DO regularly agree with the posts - even when they are provably false. Then you don't respond. You never even aattempt to defend a statement. That's telling.

I've never used threats, insults or even an aggressive tone. I have extended every courtesy. If it's 'not cool' to point out that someone provides no evidence - that's on you, I'm afraid. I've given no reason for complaint. If it offends you, maybe you should be looking at what you post a little more. Just a thought.

If you are simply in the business of reposting social media posts then it does somewhat expose those prejudices SO, SO VERY WELL.

Why?

Because search engines USE AI. So you are being spoonfed what the algorithm has noted you previously taking an interest in. In short, the algorithm has uncovered your prejudices!

Talk about being condemed out of your own mouth.

The fact you infer that AI lacks the ability to judge non-verbal communication is quite true. So? Do you use interprative dance to search the internet? No? Do you type in text? Yes? Which is why the AI currently used analyses the users textual inputs. In fact, it's OPTTIMIZED to analyze textual input hence the fact that AI software has scraped every piece of text on the internet and indeed every printed word via OCR of every book available.

THat you plainly don't know that makes you the perfect customer. |That and very obvious prejudices - that makes it easy for them.

Don't forget - you are quite free to block me.

I’m not here to prove anything. That’s pure projection on your part. I’m here to ask questions, observe and learn.

Repeating yourself doesn’t make what you say true, btw.

 

[4DQSAR]

You are always free to ask for references - as I have done on numerous occassions for anyone who asks.

As for learning - well, the fact you didn't know search engines use AI is something you should probably learn. Because as it is, it's just displaying your prejudices.

I can point to articles that explain how search engines use AI, if you require reference, but it's not exactly a secret - they boast of using AI.

BTW you do post and intereting times. My job means I'm generally awake at nights. While it's entirely your business where you choose to state as your locale, I note you post within quite specific times. I'm simply curious to know if, given that you are in Germany, you also have reason to pick such times? I appreciate it's entirely reaonable for you not wishing to answer. It's just generally the case that BL is almost sitlent during those periods so in a way, it's good to know if someone else is about.

 

[fairnymph]

You are always free to ask for references - as I have done on numerous occassions for anyone who asks.

As for learning - well, the fact you didn't know search engines use AI is something you should probably learn. Because as it is, it's just displaying your prejudices.

I can point to articles that explain how search engines use AI, if you require reference, but it's not exactly a secret - they boast of using AI.

BTW you do post and intereting times. My job means I'm generally awake at nights. While it's entirely your business where you choose to state as your locale, I note you post within quite specific times. I'm simply curious to know if, given that you are in Germany, you also have reason to pick such times? I appreciate it's entirely reaonable for you not wishing to answer. It's just generally the case that BL is almost sitlent during those periods so in a way, it's good to know if someone else is about.

I’m well aware that search engines use AI. Even before AI, search results were biased and manipulated. Try not to assume I don’t know something just because I don’t talk about it or respond to it specifically.

I have delayed phase sleep syndrome so I struggle to maintain a diurnal schedule. But generally, I just post whenever I have the time. I haven’t noticed any patterns in particular other than that, but I am almost always asleep or busy from 4:00-15:00 CET. There’s no other reason I post when I do.