Benzos Signed up for Benzo help uk.

[50shadesofDave]

From my research today i will 100% have to source my own, like you say though, i don't know what i'm getting.
Most diaz brands are showing many zene laced tests from around the country.

I just don't understand how the NHS can flag it in the news but not help someone help themselves with a plan and safe supply.

I'm utterly lost with this idea of asking for help.

Thank you for your time in replying, and take care yourself.

Dave x

 

[Bleaney]

External support would be nice and beneficial, but you can go it alone though, using the techniques of The Aston Method, and looking up other resources online.

You'd get support on here if you posted how things are going.

Like I say Clonazepam would probably be your best bet in the current market, due to its' quite long duration and overwhelmingly consistently testing as genuine with no adulterants, plus it's easy to obtain online. If that's a route you'd be willing to go down.

 

[LoginNotSecure]

Can this be different if people can afford to pay privately?

Yes, as long as you have a reasonable reason for needing the medication. Depression/anxiety etc, if you state you’re addicted, private or not, you’ll be walked out the office quick sharp.

 

[Bleaney]

Yes, as long as you have a reasonable reason for needing the medication. Depression/anxiety etc, if you state you’re addicted, private or not, you’ll be walked out the office quick sharp.

Good to know. Thanks!

Is is standard pratctice that they would inform your regular GP of any prescriptions or requests for any meds, or is everything confidential?

Or does it vary?

Sorry for all the questions! I won't ask anything else!!

It's just that I might want to get a legit prescription for any foreign travels or holidays. I love going to new places, but at the same time I get massess of anxiety, especially if it's new foreign cities etc...

 

[LoginNotSecure]

Some reporting is mandatory. Depends

 

[Jnowhere]

One thing I'd bear in mind is that not all of these organizations are created equally.

Some will treat everything as confidential, while others will want to inform the police and your GP. (I don't know how anyone thinks that potentially getting a criminal record will help anyone get off and stay off substances, considering the issues that a record can cause with employment, and knowing that long term unemployment is highly correlated with increased drug problems. Anyway, that's a whole other issue.)

I was fortunate enough that the first time round there was a charitably funded SMART recovery group in my area who did have a confidentiality policy. Second time round they were no longer running, and the new services had the lack of confidentiality which was a complete non starter for me.

Also, to state the obvious, you have to be fully ready and commited to change, otherwise all the mental tools in the world, which they will give you, ultimately will not help.

When I accessed services I was in some kind of 'i want to quit, but at the same time I don't' state of total confusion which was understandably driving the workers there insane with frustration, and also people on here. I gather that this kind of state of inner conflict, mixed signals, and confusion is common amongs problem drug users, but it does annoy other people.

In the end, I managed to quit benzos for some time, in my own time, in my own way, without any external support. I guess I may have recalled some of the tools and methods that I found out about in services and on places like bluelight. Chief among them for Benzo users is the Ashton method of course. The woefull state of diazepam supplies at the moment is certainly not helping with that though unfortunately.

A potential alternative substitute could be clonazepam, while although it's not as long lasting as diazepam, it last a lot longer that alprazolam and bromozolam. Another strong benefit of clonaz is that for some reason it does not seem to get faked and filled with nitrazenes and other nasty or inactive fillers. Several of us on here have noticed this by regularly checking the test results on the Wedinos website. Clonaz consistenly tests as genuine, completely unlike diazepam and alprazolam.

Chances are that you will have to source your own benzos for your taper. I think at the very best you may get like 2 weeks worth of 5mg diazepam from your GP to help with the last stage of your taper. But then that will be on your medical files for ever which may cause issues at some point later on and down the line.

WTF: calling the cops on an addict seeking help. How is this going to help, this will scare off a lot of people who need help.

 

[Jnowhere]

It is weird how easy benzos are to get( prescribed)in America, compared to the UK. I was on Ativan( lorazepam) and switched to Valium( diazepam) I was on 6mg for 6-7 years. 1mg of Ativan =10 MG Valium.
I cut my use in half thinking 2mg of Ativan= 10mg of Valium.
No withdrawals but might it be the reason after 9-10 months I have become an insomniac?
Could it be that 6mg of Ativan= 60mg of Valium and now 30mg of Valium is the cause even after this long?

 

[matt<3ketamine]

It is weird how easy benzos are to get( prescribed)in America, compared to the UK. I was on Ativan( lorazepam) and switched to Valium( diazepam) I was on 6mg for 6-7 years. 1mg of Ativan =10 MG Valium.
I cut my use in half thinking 2mg of Ativan= 10mg of Valium.
No withdrawals but might it be the reason after 9-10 months I have become an insomniac?
Could it be that 6mg of Ativan= 60mg of Valium and now 30mg of Valium is the cause even after this long?

very much so, but i think that also may have something to do with your fully private system possibly, i mean we just gotta look up in the thread a page - Private Dr = possible, but likely probably difficult still. NHS dr? = better chance of swimming back up stream with the salmon than get a script from them now. yet ur black market pricing is reversed/cheaper but this was years ago when near every brand was genuine, then i heard a mate say wat he pays for just his 'normal' xanax script and i told him the general price for what 25-50, the original true, xanax bars were over in the uk generally and he went "can i come on holiday" lol then that diaz was even cheaper, when MSJ's were legit! said Diazepam/valium is one the lesser prescribed ones over clonaz, alpraz or loraz? could just be him tho, his is stomach and anxiety based.

So basically, our health service is SHIT for them, literally, my old dr called them 'evil', she moved me to another dr when i said 'your the same dr tho who would prescribe my grandad tubs of diaz, librium and temazepam back in the day though yea?'and was met with 'oh but we didn't know how evil and bad they were back then yadda yadda' then why the change of heart, what is this new information just discovered that makes them so intolerable to prescribe (and i only remembered 'diazepam' cuz they were the same name of the tablet used in a game was on the label of 'grandads sleeping tablets' which i remembered from a ps1 game ('metal gear solid', funnily enough, to 'stop you shaking with your sniper rifle', could take 20 and be sniping and not jellied out (i tried lmao)
and sony, which playstation is, its a japanese company too, i have no idea about japan and benzos, so i thought it weird that a gaming programmer in the 90's knew wat diazepam was over there, cause you can't even get into japan on methadone = banned, me on subs and it being the one country i've always wanted to see? - i gotta write a letter to the governments ministry of health and aren't allowed to go until they reply, which, i read one comment, that said they wrote back 2 months after the trip had had to be cancelled...3 months ago, cuz they were scared to go incase (it IS japan, after all, you seen what they do over a joint?!?) my thoughts would likely the dr would rather commit seppuku than give you them there but)

Maybe Login or another medical profesh can help answer, but when i was reading over it, the japanese medical law for subutex with foreigners, they said i would have to follow THEIR countries guidelines and that they would be dispensed to me in accordance with those guidelines, now i was wondering, would they be able to change that dose possibly if not 'within their dispensing guidelines'? because i couldn't understand whether i would get my normal dose (14mg) or i'd get THEIR 'guideline for subutex' dosing? (which would be massively less according to their prescribing doses from what i could find on it) i don't think they could do that but there was FA in relevance of japans actual 'do i get my dose or do i get YOUR GUIDELINE dose' kinda answer. Are they able to alter dosing you reckon or is that a full on no-go, even for med's like subs (sorry any people on methadone wanting to see japan)

 

[Jnowhere]

They are ridiculous about drugs in Japan. Didn't Paul McCartney get busted with weed there but let go ?
Anyways they are strict, but I didn't know that strict. You are trying to not use hard narcotics if you are on them. They are crazy, about punishing people caught with drugs in some Asian countries. China they sometimes execute users I heard. Not sure if true. But that wouldn't surprise me. Japan is strict and so are many Asian countries.
Never use and get caught. They prescribe very little of anything there.
They are very strict but I didn't know that strict. Man, I wonder about my scripts. I guess I will never visit there.

 

[matt<3ketamine]

They are ridiculous about drugs in Japan. Didn't Paul McCartney get busted with weed there but let go ?
Anyways they are strict, but I didn't know that strict. You are trying to not use hard narcotics if you are on them. They are crazy, about punishing people caught with drugs in some Asian countries. China they sometimes execute users I heard. Not sure if true. But that wouldn't surprise me. Japan is strict and so are many Asian countries.
Never use and get caught. They prescribe very little of anything there.
They are very strict but I didn't know that strict. Man, I wonder about my scripts. I guess I will never visit there.

in japan they sell boxes of 7 x 125mg paracetamol, your allowed 1 box, and apparently not cheap = need to basically eat 3/4 of the box to get what we would normally have for 55p from tescos lol.
Japan's has one of the lowest 'happiness' scores in the world from adults, to their kids having similar. I watch plenty of japanese stuff and am very up to date with their news and this is a report from this year. It's likely because mental health is basically seen by families as 'shameful' and they will eventually think 'oh, your crazy, off to be sectioned'. So you say theres something wrong with you? 'bringing shame on the family for being messed up and not just getting on with life in a daze' and to get rid of the problem, to the neighbors? 'oh their off to hospital' whilst they are likely sectioned.
Have a MASSIVE alcoholic culture, not an alcohol culture, but one where you will see salary/business men blacked out in streets asleep and people walking past, not caring. People being interviewed in the streets about weed - one girl thought you crushed it up n snorted it 'or something?' she said, another said 'alcohol is not a drug' - this basically shows japan does fuck all drug education for their students. 100 years ago they were growing and using hemp everywhere, but to even be suspected then caught with a joint? yea thats a 10 man raid on your house for that joint. it is wild.
As for benzo's, i've only heard rumors they CAN get etizolam, same way you CAN get benzos here in UK (like getting blood out of a stone would be easier basically to describe it). There's a whole 'culture' around people selling 'sleeping pills' but what ones? dunno, can't read japanese. but etiz the only one i've heard linked to there.

but also, yea, if your on methadone or subutex, good luck getting in to japan without a fight too

 

[Jnowhere]

in japan they sell boxes of 7 x 125mg paracetamol, your allowed 1 box, and apparently not cheap = need to basically eat 3/4 of the box to get what we would normally have for 55p from tescos lol.
Japan's has one of the lowest 'happiness' scores in the world from adults, to their kids having similar. I watch plenty of japanese stuff and am very up to date with their news and this is a report from this year. It's likely because mental health is basically seen by families as 'shameful' and they will eventually think 'oh, your crazy, off to be sectioned'. So you say theres something wrong with you? 'bringing shame on the family for being messed up and not just getting on with life in a daze' and to get rid of the problem, to the neighbors? 'oh their off to hospital' whilst they are likely sectioned.
Have a MASSIVE alcoholic culture, not an alcohol culture, but one where you will see salary/business men blacked out in streets asleep and people walking past, not caring. People being interviewed in the streets about weed - one girl thought you crushed it up n snorted it 'or something?' she said, another said 'alcohol is not a drug' - this basically shows japan does fuck all drug education for their students. 100 years ago they were growing and using hemp everywhere, but to even be suspected then caught with a joint? yea thats a 10 man raid on your house for that joint. it is wild.
As for benzo's, i've only heard rumors they CAN get etizolam, same way you CAN get benzos here in UK (like getting blood out of a stone would be easier basically to describe it). There's a whole 'culture' around people selling 'sleeping pills' but what ones? dunno, can't read japanese. but etiz the only one i've heard linked to there.

but also, yea, if your on methadone or subutex, good luck getting in to japan without a fight too

I heard about that, the drunken passed out successful business men. It is somehow OK, but roll a joint and here comes the SWAT team. I don't even want to know about certain items that can be obtained in vending machines.
You probably know what I mean, but get depressed, that is horribly shameful.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Exactly. That's exactly what it did for me!

Praise yourself lucky, as what I found through some anecdote's from a psychologist that treated me, in my dossier kept by the health care institution and contact with the Police.

Was that without consent from me or even letting me know. Is they had a convenant with the Police in which all client's, don't no if that includes personal mental info, where made known to the Cop's. Which is allready breaking rules concerning privacy. And any protocol's, dr' patient confidelity was broken aswell from the institution side.

So in short just by registering there, you unknowingly stigmatize yourself toward's the Police. And they spread that too all other kinds of Institution's like child care. Fact's were never checked is one thing prominent in all my dossier's. Guilty till proven otherwise.

Oh and the communication was visa versa so if something was reported about me to the Police, they would inform the mental halth care. institution. Without checking if it was a true or false accusation they got.

 

[Jnowhere]

Praise yourself lucky, as what I found through some anecdote's from a psychologist that treated me, my dossier with the health care institution and contact with the Police.

Was that without consent from me or even let me know it would be done. Is they had a convenant with the Police in which all client's, don't no if that includes personal info, where made known to the Cop's. Which is allready breaking rules concerning privacy. And any protocol's, dr' patient confidelity was broken aswell from the institution side.

So in short just by registering there, you unknowingly stigmatize yourself toward's the Police. And they spread that too all other kinds of Institution's like child care. Fact's were never checked is one thing prominent in all my dossier's. Guilty till proven otherwise.

Oh and the communication was visa versa so if something was reported about me to the Police, they would inform the mental halth care. institution. Without checking if it was a true or false accusation they got.

I am not joking around; do they really do that in the UK?

 

[emkee_reinvented]

I am joking around; do they really do that in the UK?

No in the netherland's.

Cop's don't have to obied to the law But Mental Health Care institution's do. And just by the fact it breaking all kinda Law's, protocol's and dr's oad's. I am basickly taken from behind by a Yorkshire Ox. Who is British by te way.

My only defence is me, the only unpaid one in tis whole proces.

 

[Jnowhere]

No in the netherland's.

Cop's don't have to obied to the law But Mental Health Care institution's do. And just by the fact it breaking all kinda Law's, protocol's and dr's oad's. I am basickly taken from behind by a Yorkshire Ox. Who is British by te way.

My only defence is me, the only unpaid one in tis whole proces.

That is messed up. I thought things were off here, but we have so many lawyers, that type of shit would cost them millions.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Yeah been watching to many American movie's and calculated myself milionair. But things are a little different overhere, and this is not a national but provinional problem. So its a bit under the radar.

 

[Jnowhere]

Yeah been watching to many American movie's and calculated myself milionair. But things are a little different overhere, and this is not a national but provinional problem. So its a bit under the radar.

The last 20 or so years the American film industry have been going downhill, with a few exceptions.

 

[Bleaney]

Data Protection AKA GDPR in the UK is often an absolute pain in the arse, when you are working for a business, especially in customer service,. or trying to get some customer service as a customer, as it often feels like one more level of pointless BS to add on top of your work load. It often seems to be used uneccesarily and pointlessly in these scenarios, and there is a lack of common sense and it's just not pragmatic.. Like if you have to call a bank or utility company back for some reason, and speak to the same agent you spoke to just 10 seconds ago, you still have to go through all the GDPR rigmarole all over again. Maybe one day they will get the balance right, but I won't be holding my breath.

But when it comes to things like informed consent, which is pertinent and relavant to this thread, that is where it is supposed to be of real value and protection to patients and clients etc, in as much as your personal data, can not, or should not, be shared to ANY external parties, without your explicit consent. There is usually the exception in those cases where an an individual is seen as being a danger to themselves or others.

So Data Protection could be a good thing, if it actually does what it is is supposed to do. And if the utilities anad banks didnt make such an ordeal out of it. But if the whole thing doesn't apply to scenarios like confidentiality when signing up for drugs services, which is exactly the type of scenario where Data Protection would be most necessary and valuable, then it's a travesty and a pointless exercise.

The whole Internet privacy subject from the likes of Google / Facebook. Youtube / ISP stuff is a whole other matter. Most of the time people are forced to give away their rights to GDPR to these companies, because you have to accept their Ts and Cs to be able to use their services, and no one cba to read them. The Ts and Cs are that they are going to share your data far and wide.

Hence the proliferation of VPNs and other similar services.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Although Data Protection AKA GDPR in the UK is often an absolute pain in the arse, when you are working for a business, especially in customer service,. or trying to get some customer service as a customer, as it often feels like one more level of pointless BS to add on top of your work load.

But when it comes to things likes informed consent, which is pertinent and relavant to this thread, that is where it is supposed to be of real value and protection to patients and clients etc, in as much as your personal data, can not, or should not, be shared to ANY external parties, without your explicit consent. There is usually the exception in those cases where an an individual is seen as being a danger to themselves or others.

So Data Protection is a good thing, if it actually does what it is is supposed to do. If the whole thing doesn't apply to scenarios like this, which is exactly where it is necessary and valuable, then it's a travesty.

The whole Internet privacy subject from the likes of Google / Facebook. Youtube / ISP stuff is a whole other matter. Most of the time people are forced to give their rights to GDPR away to these companies, because you have to accept the Ts and Cs to be able to use their services, and no one cba to read them. The Ts and Cs are that they are going to share your data far and wide.

Hence the proliferation of VPNs and other similar services.

Your totally right I see this getting really out of hand, cause of the explicit without you knowing an your explicit lack of given consent.

Regarding the protection of clients , others or family for harm, you are completely right. But without proof, I have no Police record of any kind, just three false accusation call's, 2 by my ex 1 by my ex luny neighbour.

Even had my dr. s file destroyed after I left the house / divorced, something that is not possible if their is any suspicioun you either physically or sexully abused your partner or kid's, as you share the same doc as family. or have done something terrible only your doc knows.

Again guilty untiil proven otherwise. A.k.a. Stigmatized.

"Moving back instead of forward's. making me absurd"

 

[Jnowhere]

Although Data Protection AKA GDPR in the UK is often an absolute pain in the arse, when you are working for a business, especially in customer service,. or trying to get some customer service as a customer, as it often feels like one more level of pointless BS to add on top of your work load.

But when it comes to things likes informed consent, which is pertinent and relavant to this thread, that is where it is supposed to be of real value and protection to patients and clients etc, in as much as your personal data, can not, or should not, be shared to ANY external parties, without your explicit consent. There is usually the exception in those cases where an an individual is seen as being a danger to themselves or others.

So Data Protection is a good thing, if it actually does what it is is supposed to do. If the whole thing doesn't apply to scenarios like this, which is exactly where it is necessary and valuable, then it's a travesty.

The whole Internet privacy subject from the likes of Google / Facebook. Youtube / ISP stuff is a whole other matter. Most of the time people are forced to give their rights to GDPR away to these companies, because you have to accept the Ts and Cs to be able to use their services, and no one cba to read them. The Ts and Cs are that they are going to share your data far and wide.

Hence the proliferation of VPNs and other similar services.

Your totally right I see this getting really out of hand, cause of the explicit without you knowing an your explicit lack of given consent.

Regarding the protection of clients , others or family for harm, you are completely right. But without proof, I have no Police record of any kind, just three false accusation call's, 2 by my ex 1 by my ex luny neighbour.

Even had my dr. s file destroyed after I left the house / divorced, something that is not possible if their is any suspicioun you either physically or sexully abused your partner or kid's, as you share the same doc as family. or have done something terrible only your doc knows.

Again guilty untiil proven otherwise. A.k.a. Stigmatized.

"Moving back instead of forward's. making me absurd"

Both of these posts are scary. Throw in the bs from America's NSA program that was leaked by Edward Snowden, and it makes me want to relocate to South or Central America