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Ethnobotanicals Amanita gummies as a sedative/hypnotic & for benzo taper (underrated!?)

Frog Dreams said:
I am currently in pursuit of iboga and salvia. Never tried either. Very interested in both.
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I'd be curious as to your take on Salvia FD. Someday I may try a small dose of ibogaine but may not be too safe to do too much more for me anymore. But Salvia I and a few others have some experience. Salvia has been an ally of mine since 1999 with countless sessions. Once a person does that initial session where there is no question it did something then different amounts can be played with. Took me 2 rips of 5X to totally work the first time and I lost the room and who I was. After that just half a gram of plain leaf in a tobacco pipe works wonders. Total Darkness and Silence and She will come out. Respect.

Have not gotten to 5-MEO-DMT....yet. That one I will try at some point. 15 years ago it was all over the place. Now not so much.

But Salvia is misunderstood by most people and called scary. But I can attest I have had more angelic and deep cleansing trips than any bad trips. I do not think I ever had a bad Salvia trip. But would be nice to have additional opinions so Kaleida and I can read as we seem the only fans. :)

These gummies are interesting to me. If they hit Gaba A I would imagine they can be as addicting as benzos? Bromazolam, LOL I find myself never taking it. Or if I do just .5 mg. It works great for sleep. Keep it low and I don't feel it the next day. But I find myself never really taking it. Benzo's themselves are on my sh*t list. I may have even vented here yesterday somewhere. Even just therapeutic doses give me amnesia. Silly things like where did I put this or that. Drives me nuts. Next benzo I take I will get into bed ready to sleep. So I may try some of these gummies on a stressful day as a substitute and hopefully amnesia is not part of it. A during the day type of thing.
 
JackARoe said:
These gummies are interesting to me. If they hit Gaba A I would imagine they can be as addicting as benzos?
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From what I gather muscimol is not physically addictive, because it is almost identical to GABA and simply replaces GABA at the neuron without otherwise effecting the receptor. Thus it does not downregulate or cause other changes to the receptors that would cause withdrawal.

Very similar structure to GABA:

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@JackARoe

You've got me positively fiending for salvia now. It's not that common in Australia. I've never encountered it, despite having access to relatively exotic stuff like 2CB, DOB, bromo-dragonfly, etc.

If I remember correctly, Australia is one of the only countries in the world that criminalized use/sale of salvia... or maybe it was just one of the first? I dunno.

Fuck I want some now. Oh well, 2 days until my next bufo ceremony.
 
I've just ate a small peace of raw Amanita chased with shot of premium 43% moonshine made 80 years ago. I chewed peace of stalk, part that was under earth, so about mouthful as it's from a big shroom. It's interesting in texture and tastes just fine but swallowing it after chewing it up requires some willpower. Is it cuz my body detects it might not be really edible? Still it's easier to swallow than it's with dried stuff.
I'll leave mushroom cap for some time to collect spores and I'll use that spores to make LQ and see how I'll proceed from there. Might try to inoculate grains and make a bread with that to see how that works.
I'm really glad @Snafu in the Void found them helpful for quitting benzos. Some time ago I did recommend to another member to just kick a couple mg clonazepam habit right away with Amanitas but he/she insisted that's not safe. I'm still positive that's far from levels of benzo addiction that pose any risk for quitting even ct for 99.999999% of users. And would even go so far to say, well, repeat, that's enormously long tapers are in fact contra-productive and harmful idea leading rather to deepening of addiction than to positive outcomes.
Also these few shrooms I've picked up are from different place than I usually pick them. They are from lower elevation and it's warmer than when I usually pick them so they kind of smell different and maybe stronger and less appetizing too I guess.
 
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Frog Dreams said:
@SpiralusSancti

I love the smell. It's such a deep, earthy aroma. Brings me right back to those crazy moments in the void.
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Me too but as long as mushroom didn't start to rot or it's not infested with maggots or something. When they start decomposing that brings out quality of smell I don't like. I bet many people who find Amanitas disgusting in fact have run into such shrooms.
 
There is definitely something to this man! I feel surprisingly great, I'm having almost zero withdrawal symptoms +7 days after last benzo dose. I've also started to lower my amanita use and feel fine. There is both anecdotal and a small amount of actual evidence that muscimol may not only alleviate withdrawal symptoms, but that it actually heals the receptors and reverses benzo dependence.

"Two potential medications that may restore GABAA receptor function are the gabapentinoids (Figure 5) and muscimol (MML) (Figure 14).

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MML also exhibits promising properties. Research has shown that MML is potent GABAA agonist and binds directly to the δ subunit on the GABA binding site [63]. Stimulating the δ subunit is unique for MML since none of our other medications activated this isoform.

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Increased GABA concentrations and a GABAA agonist may stimulate the GABAA receptor enough to allow its gating structure to return to its normal state. Thus, our hypothesis supports the NMDA/AMPA and GABAA uncoupling models and rejects the receptor down regulation theory."

www.genesispub.org

Restoration of GABAA Receptor Function after Benzodiazepine Use: A Meta-Analysis

stemcell
www.genesispub.org www.genesispub.org
 
My piss had a quite strong smell, Amanita smell, following ingestion of a peace of raw mushroom, given tiny amount eaten it was very surprising. Never noticed that with dried Amanita in much bigger doses, not even if only dried on radiator, powdered and swallowed as is. It might have also caused some unpleasant feelings in the stomach, but I'm not 100% sure if it's really from raw Amanita or from multiple other factors. Not sure what should be taken from that but I probably wont eat it raw again.
 
There used to be couple who called themselves the soma shamans who had a website all about amanita. I don't know what happened to the websites but I have a few of the books they wrote. They are very against the drinking or urine and believe it is spiritually unclean act, which was only resorted to in the past because of the short supply of amanita.

I have to say that as a former piss drinker I agree with them. I stopped drinking my piss after realizing that although you trip harder, it contaminates the experience. Just putting that out there...
 
burn out said:
There used to be couple who called themselves the soma shamans who had a website all about amanita. I don't know what happened to the websites but I have a few of the books they wrote. They are very against the drinking or urine and believe it is spiritually unclean act, which was only resorted to in the past because of the short supply of amanita.

I have to say that as a former piss drinker I agree with them. I stopped drinking my piss after realizing that although you trip harder, it contaminates the experience. Just putting that out there...
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Wait....so just to be clear....you drank your own urine after consuming amanitas?
 
Yes.. I'm not even the only one in this thread who has done it. Unfortunately it's a thing in the amanita community where people believe your body filters out the toxins so if you drink your urine it gives you a better experience. The practice was heavily promoted by psychedelic author and convicted child rapist J.D. Authur before he committed suicide in jail following his most recent arrest on more child molestation charges.
 
@burn out

Yeah, I also ritualistically drank my urine.

burn out said:
I stopped drinking my piss after realizing that although you trip harder, it contaminates the experience.
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How does it contaminate the experience?
 
They definitely differ batch to batch and shroom to shroom. I think a big extract or lots of shake is ideal because you get a more standardized effect. I personally notice a definite tolerance to muscimol but I can continue pushing dose higher if I like; but it begins to seem like a waste of Nita’s and better to skip a few days here or there.

I have now consumed massive quantities of all types of it. I have still only had a few experiences that edge into psychedelic/ deliriant. 90% gaba/glut type action.

Also for whomever mentioned her earlier- amanita dreamer is very visible , but her information often skews to n=1 super hippy nonsense. She’s quite controversial in the larger amanita science community. Definitely take her content w a grain of salt imo.
 
SpiralusSancti said:
It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay healthier to turn ibotenic acid to muscimol outside the body. And it ain't healthy to return all the toxic stuff we piss out into the body.
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In what way? If your liver is in good shape it’s naturally turned to muscimol by first pass metabolism. It’s constantly in the presence of either muscimol or a natural gaba. A Nita chemist I know eats raw extracted ibo regularly. It’s a pleasant stimulant that turns into a relaxant. My experience has been the only part you really don’t want is high levels of muscarine which imo are the source of a lot of the deliriant effects
 
cdin said:
In what way? If your liver is in good shape it’s naturally turned to muscimol by first pass metabolism. It’s constantly in the presence of either muscimol or a natural gaba. A Nita chemist I know eats raw extracted ibo regularly. It’s a pleasant stimulant that turns into a relaxant. My experience has been the only part you really don’t want is high levels of muscarine which imo are the source of a lot of the deliriant effects
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Muscarine is of no importance. Unless you get a shroom with lot of it and die. Trace amounts of it in A. muscaria (named so only cuz it's first shroom were it's found) are less of a concern than ibotenic acid.
Ibotenic acid is neurotoxin that ends up in brain in certain quantity. So some "shaman" eating them raw doesn't say any more than some indian guru chugging mercury without consequences.
 
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