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Hexenstahl said:
It shouldn't be used excessively however as it is toxic to the bladder. Also, when it comes to Ketamine therapy, a doctor will apply the infusion and give you a low dose only, followed by a subsequent therapy session. It's not like you just go there, they give you a whole bunch of ketamine to trip your balls on and then you go home. Also, dissociative drugs come with their own dangers and risks to mental health...
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nobody said anything about going to a clinic, we are drug users.... we do our own drugs in our bathroom. stop acting like you know everything because the only dangers of dissociatives are chronic or mixed use.

a 100mg session of ketamine in 10mg, 10mg, 10mg, 20mg, then 50mg lines done at home in bed with headphones/blindfold is easy and safe. everything is dangerous even too much air or water so please stop.
 
vlzinspace said:
stop acting like you know everything
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I'm not acting like I know everything. In fact I have admitted earlier in this thread that I don't know all facts. You seem to be on a personal vendetta or something, so I think it's best to stop the discussion with you as it is not going into a productive direction. Have a nice day...
 
Hexenstahl said:
I'm not acting like I know everything. In fact I have admitted earlier in this thread that I don't know all facts. You seem to be on a personal vendetta or something, so I think it's best to stop the discussion with you as it is not going into a productive direction. Have a nice day...
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no you just act like a know it all and quite frankly need to stfu as a lot of your info is wrong. you promote opioids lmfao have a nice life
 
vlzinspace said:
some dumb girl who hijacks a thread of a man trying to get off opioids and promotes them, potentially leading to fatality through the misinfo of a girl obviously stimmed up. i think when it comes to potential death, you need to stfu.
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Others seem to disagree. Oh and btw, no I'm not going to "stfu" because some faceless nobody is telling me to do so, especially not when ad hominems are being used.
 
gordonliddy said:
Dude, opiate users are like this. They don't like to be called what they are. Don't like to be reminded what they're doing and they prefer to buy their drugs from the mafia.

You're worse than arguing with a brick wall, you're arguing with a pack of dope fiends. They will go to any length to defend their use. They steal. They lie. And if they don't get it every day they get dangerously ill.

You'll never change their minds, they'll never stop using.
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I could have sworn she gets her drugs from a doctor 🤔

Hexenstahl said:
Tell that to vlzinspace who went absolutely bonkers for no reason at all. All I was saying is that ketamine should be used with caution and how it is used in a clinical setting and this guy completely loses his mind and tells me to "stfu". Who is the child here?
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I've seen him in multiple threads now always flying off the handle using personal insults. It isn't you
 
someguyontheinternet said:
I've seen him in multiple threads now always flying off the handle using personal insults. It isn't you
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Yes he obviously has some mental issues going on. The funny thing is that hasn't even adressed any of my points. If he thinks I'm talking "stupid shit" then why not say what exactly is stupid about it and let's have a constructive disussion about it.

gordonliddy said:
What part of what vlzinspace said isn't true?
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He hasn't said anything but ad hominem. That's the thing. All he can say is "stfu" and "no I'm not gonna read this because you're dumb and a know it all" and ofc you like it because you yourself have absolutely nothing to add. It's funny how it's always the same trolls here in this forum who end up starting shit. Three people, you vlzin and some other guy who always crap on other people's arguments just because you don't like it. Wouldn't surpise me if all those three sock puppet accounts belong to the same basement dwelling neckbeard, who has nothing better to do than insult people and get on their nerves...
 
Well for one I saw nothing that would risk fatality only two people arguing about the pros and cons of a couple depression treatments. One of those people was using personal insults for no apparent reason as I have observed them doing numerous other threads including directed at myself
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Well for one I saw nothing that would risk fatality only two people arguing about the pros and cons of a couple depression treatments. One of those people was using personal insults for no apparent reason as I have observed them doing numerous other threads including directed at myself
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I think it might be the better decision to ignore him at this point, because if he has a history of doing this then he is obviously just here to troll and create disharmony. In fact I'll report him to the mods if he ends up hurling more insults. I'm not gonna put up with this bs. I got no problem with discussions, even if they are heated, but throwing insults at MULTIPLE forum members for no reason is actually a good reason to ban that guy. He has nothing constructive to add and is only here to start shit...
 
Dissos & psychedelics can be good for depression...

But as some one who's had experience with both, the antidepressant effect from those two classes only tends to last either during the experience or for a few days or a week tops afterward. No amount of tripping has ever "cured" my depression permanently & it's unlikely it ever will.


The irony too, of some one saying opioids are dangerous while also saying people should do street ketamine to treat their own depression. L M F A O


Most ketamine treatment has to be done through a clinic & you have to be monitored while you're tripping & then you have to sit there & wait awhile & then have some one else drive you home afterward. So just more stupid ass barriers to people getting depression treatments legally.


The only thing dissos are good for now is helping to reset my opioid tolerance :rofl:
 
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I love the amount of lies here being pushed by specific users like "Gordonliddy"....

I've never once stolen for my opioid habit. Maybe you have, but people that tend to act like pieces of shit on drugs are usually people who were pieces of shit to begin with.


I once found a bag of raw heroin on the floor at my dealers house. Most people would have pocketed it & not said anything. My ass went straight to my dude & said "hey I think you dropped this"... And he told me to just keep it & thanks for letting him know. So I got a $50 bag of uncut heroin that night.. for free. Honesty pays off. Honesty is what earns you respect.


Dude sounds like he should be in one of those anti-drug commercials where they talk about how all drug users are thieves, liars, etc.. You know, the usual bullshit talking points that are mostly stereotypes & lies. "If your friend's on opioids, they'll raid your medicine cabinet!" *eye roll* Yeah some might & that person was probably a piece of shit before they were on opioids too then.

Comments like those by Gordon & Vl-whatever provide zero insight or education to anyone reading this thread. Just punks that wanna come in here & feel better about themselves because they don't use opioids. I'm sure they're addicted to a billion other things (that are probably more unhealthy too) though & their insecurities shine through with their pathetic generalizations of other people.

So much irony.
 
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DeathIndustrial88 said:
Dissos & psychedelics can be good for depression...

But as some one who's had experience with both, the antidepressant effect from those two classes only tends to last either during the experience or for a few days or a week tops afterward. No amount of tripping has ever "cured" my depression permanently & it's unlikely it ever will.


The irony too, of some one saying opioids are dangerous while also saying people should do street ketamine to treat their own depression. L M F A O


Most ketamine treatment has to be done through a clinic & you have to be monitored while you're tripping & then you have to sit there & wait awhile & then have some one else drive you home afterward. So just more stupid ass barriers to people getting depression treatments legally.
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very true. usually attempts at doing self-therapy at home quickly turn into a ketamine addiction as you chase that depression-relief rabbit. Ketamine does not cure anything, it just gives you a brief window into what non-depressed life looks like. ketamine use runs substantial risks of making physical and mental health problems worse or inducing new ones (I started self-harming after Ketamine use, which I never even considered beforehand). It can be a literal life-saver for some people (especially in a clinical setting. albeit still not fully exempt from the aformentioned risks) but doing street ketamine by yourself, by and large will do more harm than good.
edit: also, dissos reset your opi tolerance? didn't do shit on that front for me quite frankly
 
Hexenstahl said:
Tell that to vlzinspace who went absolutely bonkers for no reason at all. All I was saying is that ketamine should be used with caution and how it is used in a clinical setting and this guy completely loses his mind and tells me to "stfu". Who is the child here?
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The emoji didn't make it clear I was joking -? Here I am checking back in on the thread and suddenly everyone's going at each other Xd
 
Aqlis said:
very true. usually attempts at doing self-therapy at home quickly turn into a ketamine addiction as you chase that depression-relief rabbit. Ketamine does not cure anything, it just gives you a brief window into what non-depressed life looks like. ketamine use runs substantial risks of making physical and mental health problems worse or inducing new ones (I started self-harming after Ketamine use, which I never even considered beforehand). It can be a literal life-saver for some people (especially in a clinical setting. albeit still not fully exempt from the aformentioned risks) but doing street ketamine by yourself, by and large will do more harm than good.
edit: also, dissos reset your opi tolerance? didn't do shit on that front for me quite frankly
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I agree with you there.

I don't actually have much ketamine experience. But I've been on probably 10,000 DXM trips in my life.
I always had a nice afterglow for a day or two after a DXM trip. My pain levels were lower, my depression lower, etc..

But of course after a few days, you'll go back to feeling how originally felt (if you have a genuine depression disorder that is).

And yes, NMDA antagonism is known to reverse opioid tolerance & also prevent it. But it's probably very dose dependent & maybe dependent on the person. Any time I've used heroin, tramadol or buprenorphine after a good 400mg+ DXM trip, it definitely sets my tolerance back for a day or two & the opioid feels much stronger. However, if I did like a 300mg DXM trip, I'm not going to notice much tolerance resetting. So there must be a certain dosage window for that.

I've also read that taking at least 60mg of DXM with your opioid daily can prevent tolerance, but I've never been able to gag down DXM daily long enough to really test that out. Plus even 60mg of DXM can muck up my opioid effects.

Some people say it doesn't work for them but there is a ton of literature out there on the subject.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Inhibition of morphine tolerance and dependence by the NMDA receptor antagonist MK-801 - PubMed

The N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) subtype of the glutamate receptor is an important mediator of several forms of neural and behavioral plasticity. The present studies examined whether NMDA receptors might be involved in the development of opiate tolerance and dependence, two examples of behavioral...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
jpet.aspetjournals.org

Attenuation of μ-Opioid Tolerance and Cross-Tolerance by the Competitive N-Methyl-d-aspartate Receptor Antagonist LY235959 Is Related to Tolerance and Cross-Tolerance Magnitude

Although NMDA receptor antagonists attenuate the development of morphine tolerance, it is not clear whether NMDA receptor antagonists also prevent tolerance and cross-tolerance to other μ-opioid agonists and, if so, whether prevention is related to the efficacy of the agonist used to examine...
jpet.aspetjournals.org jpet.aspetjournals.org

Opioid Tolerance Development: A Pharmacokinetic/Pharmacodynamic Perspective - PMC

The opioids are commonly used to treat acute and severe pain. Long-term opioid administration eventually reaches a dose ceiling that is attributable to the rapid onset of analgesic tolerance coupled with the slow development of tolerance to the ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov


It's possible it only works on some opioids too & not others. I dunno, but I've noticed potentiation with basically any opioid if I use it right after a DXM trip or within the next 2 days after a heavy DXM trip.
 
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Aqlis said:
Ketamine does not cure anything, it just gives you a brief window into what non-depressed life looks like. k
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That's what antidepressant and antidepressant treatments should do. During that non-depressed window is when curing depression is possible.
In about same way psychedelics and dissos can cure addiction.
 
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