Bupe Suboxone can ruin your life

[Man67]

Thank you for your response.

Do you mean that all (relatively untested, generally redundant) medication for depression is based upon opiates, in the same way that all of the wonderful chemicals that the Sackler family got us hooked on were based upon opiates, in the same way that all of the wonderful chemicals that some of us love so much that are coming in from Mexico are based upon opiates (and/or methamphetamine) in the same way that all of the dope that doctor's used to get rich Victorian women hooked on was based upon opiates?

You're probably right. Hey listen, if you can take care of the compliance paperwork for me and get me a room full of impressionable/moody (and therefore normal) teenagers, you and I can legally make a fortune. We'll convince the kids that they are 'depressed' and that something is wrong with them. Next we can just give them some form of legal dope and then PRESTO! They are customers for life. But don't worry if they don't start off depressed in our program they soon will be.

Sorry if I sound sarcastic. I'm 80% joking.

My humble opinion, based upon nothing at all (I don't actually know that many dope fiends, to be super honest) is that like a good 20% - 30% of people using opiates are deliberately trying to ruin their life (example: people on the punk rock music scene). Meanwhile a good 15% to 45% (I don't really know) of dope fiends are dealing with some kind of trauma so bad (remember, that there are people on Bluelight who had the good fortune to get raped by BOTH of their parents growing up) that I myself would feel bad not hooking them up...and like out of the remainder I'd have to guess that it's maybe an even split between people from the party scene that took a wrong turn and people that (yes, I'm not kidding) actually had a minor surgery or something and the doctor prescribed the wrong thing. Now hooked for life.

I can't imagine that you'd imagine that my opinion on all of this would be worthwhile, given that I have already admitted that I know practically nothing about dope. But here you have it. The only two drugs that I would actually, actually ban have one thing in common:

meth
dope

...that when you hang out with old drug heads, none of their meth or dope stories involve anything fun. At all. I wouldn't even ban coke or LSD (although I loathe acid) because actually MOST people's acid/coke/alcohol stories involve mostly fun stuff most of the time. Really I don't like any of those drugs. I'm a weed/molly/caffeine guy.

Sorry if this sounds like an angry post. I only make angry posts in the anti-war threads. I can laugh about all of this if you can laugh about all of this. ...won't any long term dope heads pop in to point out to the new kids that...yes, dope (or let's be truthful, problems associated with dope) have screwed up their life?

Interesting, informative, funny and everything make sense. I am speechless. Well done. By the way I am one of those people with real PTSD. I am a war veteran.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

All of my memories of heroin & pain pills over shadow most of my other drug experiences. In a positive way.

In fact, some of my fondest memories were walking around in the sunshine, headphones on, while high on tramadol or heroin all through out my 20's.

Heroin & opioids absolutely have antidepressant properties.

"Historically, MOR agonists have also been applied in the treatment of mood disorders, notably including major depressive disorder (MDD). Indeed, until the mid-20th century, low doses of opium itself were used to treat depression, and the so called “opium cure” was purportedly quite effective.9 With the advent of tricyclic antidepressants (TCAs) in the 1950s however, the psychiatric use of opioids rapidly fell out of favor and has been largely dormant since, likely due to negative medical and societal perceptions stemming from their abuse potential. However, there have been scattered clinical reports (both case studies and small controlled trials) since the 1970s indicating the effectiveness of MOR agonists in treating depression. The endogenous opioid peptide β-endorphin, as well as a number of small molecules, have all been reported to rapidly and robustly improve the symptoms of MDD and/or anxiety disorders in the clinical setting, even in treatment resistant patients.10–17 These results have been recapitulated in rodent models, where a variety of MOR agonists show antidepressant effects.18–21 "

Synthetic and Receptor Signaling Explorations of the Mitragyna Alkaloids: Mitragynine as an Atypical Molecular Framework for Opioid Receptor Modulators - PMC

Mu-opioid receptor agonists represent mainstays of pain management. However, the therapeutic use of these agents is associated with serious side effects, including potentially lethal respiratory depression. Accordingly, there is a longstanding ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Keeping depressed people from accessing things that help them, ruins lives. I would have a much better quality of life if I could still use drugs that treat my depression, make me feel content & help me feel energized, I'd be a lot happier.

Which btw, SSRIs cause dependence as well. And most are no more effective than placebo. So it's okay to be dependent on a shitty SSRI but dependence on an opioid is... wrong? Give me a break.

Drugs like meth & alcohol are the drugs you wanna go to if you're looking to "ruin your life".

This isn't about capitalistic corporate companies marketing heroin to depressed teens either. There's a myriad of ways to legalize opioids for depression, FOR ADULTS.


Oh look, 15 years of daily heroin use resulted in zero negative health complications -
"No serious heroin-related medical complication occurred during the 15-year window of observation among inmates with heroin-assisted treatment. Their work performance was comparable to that of the reference group."

Fifteen years of heroin-assisted treatment in a Swiss prison—a retrospective cohort study - Harm Reduction Journal

Background In the context of the current US opioid crisis and the compelling fact that a quarter to a third of all those addicted to heroin pass through its prisons and jails each year, the care of incarcerated opioid-using individuals (OUI) needs to be improved. Aims Little has been published...

harmreductionjournal.biomedcentral.com

I was actually just in the ER last night for premature ventricular contractions (PVCs/palpitations) that I've been getting for a week straight. Most likely caused by completely legal substances, such as caffeine, tobacco, plus uncontrolled stress & anxiety. Does this make caffeine evil?

 

[Stephy]

Morpine er pills, don't do shit for getting a buzz or depression. I used them a long time with Oxy for pain and they barely helped. IV morphine helps with pain but not depression, at least for me. That is why Oxy is so addictive. When I first started taking it years ago there was not only a total disappearance of my severe and very major depression, but actual happiness for a while
That goes away over time though. I am careful with my pills because I am in legit physical pain and wd's on top of that would be a disaster. However, on a rare occasion when I have taken more, because I have memory issues, was a severe drunk, even taking more, will not get into details, the euphoric an anti depressant qualities were not increased very much if at all. Long term use kills that effect. Even when on a rarer than rare occasion a large benzo boost didn't help much if at all. Opiods or opiates lose that anti depressant feeling rather quickly. Taking large doses may help but that fades and makes things worse, like running out of pills. Members of BL often run out and turn to fent, which from what I understand only helps wd's but can kill, raises tolerance sky high and can lead to fent addiction. I have never gone near heroin. Not judging( no crying babies) but that is gone too, old Joe has effectively let them the cartels get a strong hold in so may cities. I would take big pharma over the cartels any day. Now those blue fentanyl mystery pills are common.
It has only gotten worse here in America under Biden. I have to take piss test every month, however everywhere month I have a phone visit, so I am spared that. Our government, here in USA, is fighting the war on drugs by making people with legit problems use, less and less. Don't give me any BS, it got really bad, in 2022, Thank you Joe Biden. Fent is cheap and deadly and people like me with legit issues, keep getting screwed by the FDA and Biden administration. This really started getting bad, with Obama. Oh but weed is legal in many places. There are billboards near me advertising pot shops. Weed does little for severe chronic( bad pun) pain. It is the same old bullshit, only worse with the left in charge, in terms of painkillers. Go to pain management doctors. I will not get into it but, I have a great story on that. Many are no help. Unless you are dying of cancer, you are screwed. The doctors are being intimidated by FDA and who does the head of FDA answer to?
The drug cartels for the first time have a stronghold in almost all major cities now. It just isn't gangs, it is a take over that has happened in last 2 years or so. That is why those blue fent pills are everywhere, but I can't get a higher dose of oxy for my pain. I admit I got one more oxycodone pill a day after giving up 60mg of morphine a day. That left wing bitch in Lansing has to sign all bullshit state laws here. And allow new more restrictive policies.
My doctor admits if this were years ago he would give me a lot more for the pain. They keep lowering it while the fent pours in over the boarder. Who suffers, every law abidding citizen without stage 4 cancer in long term chronic pain. Some may have a little better
Maybe some states are more leininant, but my state is blue, for now.
Big Prama caused problems a couple in particular, but the deathtoll is small compared to the fentanyl deaths. That comes from Mexico and China and corrupt Joe and his rich druggie son can't afford to piss of China or Mexico.

i have no problem getting pain meds, but the meds aren't helping my pain at all in fact sometimes they make the pain worse!!!