EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

[AlsoTapered]

Changed my laughing emoji once I read the full extent of that...

Yep, it's grim. Now the fake 30s found in the US are turning up with an admixture of fentanyl and carfentanil. I see kids posting about using them and wonder how many we will lose. But beyond warning them, what can anyone do.

You wouldn’t believe but snorting methadone isn’t a thing at all in my country. People either take it orally or use it I.V.

I have even heard people saying it isn’t snortable, I guess only tablets that are available really ain’t good for that ROA is only possible explanation.

I did once snorted tiny, tiny amount of pure methadone and it was almost like I didn’t snort anything at all, no sting or anything but it was really tiny amount, worked good tho. Can’t say it worked better than taking it orally but it was only a couple of mg so that’s probably why.

Yeah, I'm not saying Physeptone was 'fun' to snort but the bioavailability is similar to IV. The very worst thing is vaping freebase methadone. I've done it once. I acquired 100 ml of the 10 mg/mL 'oral methadone solution - concentrate',(blue juice) and extraction involved freebasing the active. I vaped only a tiny amount and it twisted me and I didn't do it again. The freebase has a MP around 134°C so it worked fine but the effects were quite distinct from oral administration. I've never touched pins - a phobia of mine. But I could sense how it grabbed at you to keep doing more.

Unfortunately someone was watching and I later discovered had worked out how to do it. Last time I saw them they were hanging around pharmacies buying everyone's juice. Next I hear they developed pneumonia and died in a hospital corridor. They lived on a canal boat and developed a chest infection midwinter. The methadone had suppressed their cough reflex.

I'm deeply ashamed that.

I have no idea if, like crack, basing and vaping methadone delivers it to the brain even faster than IV but some back-of-a-fag-packet calculations suggest so. I'm just glad the guy kept it to himself.

 

[elgoucho9]

Well was out tonight with friends. Bought 5 bensedin initially off one mate, well I say Bought they were gifted to me.

Ate all 5 of them and it felt like say 25mg diazepam. Then other mate did me a strip for 1.3g weed, well I've had the whole strip now and not feeling that high.

I'd estimate I've had like 70-80mg of legit Diaz. That's with 2 pints and a shot on top.so

So clear cut to me these are weaker than the martin dows doing the rounds just now.

Just my honest thoughts but after years of using I'm not wrong.

Martin dows are #1 when it comes to quality and accurately dosed benzos atm.

 

[elgoucho9]

Had 50mg gelenika off a friend then bought a strip off mate for a tenner..

Weak compared to the martin dows for sure

Pregablinn is king in doses of 600mg twice a day. Nothing to touch it

 

[AlsoTapered]

If you need 70-80mg of diazepam AND alcohol, you have developed a great deal of tolerance.

I was once gifted about 200 blues that had been dispensed by a UK pharmacy and just two of them was more than enough. Yes, I could have taken more but I guess it depends on what effects you seek. I just enjoyed the reduced anxiety and the muscle relaxant properties.

 

[JackARoe]

Diazepam is tricky. I know when we were young and hording pills from my friends mothers medicine cabinet we would get seconals. (his grandfather was a pharmacist and gave his daughter everything. A time where you could dumpers dive too until they got rid of meds a different way.)
We knew enough to not drink with barbs but sometimes we did. One secobarbital and you could feel it. So by 1979 docs were stopping the barbs and pushing diazepam. Well my first time I took 10 blues (these were Roche Valiums) and 3 shots of whisky to get wasted. But taking the 10 blues on their own made us think not much was happening having been so use to seconal. So it was not until the next day when I could not remember anything that I learned how diazepam worked. No where near as recreational for us but of course we would take the blues when we could because we could not get the reds anymore. Now benzos took the place of barbs.

Thank God benzos are safe. If we were here in 2023 and barbs were still as available we would have a lot more deaths. Some people here can take a lot of pills.

 

[AlsoTapered]

Seconal. A friend and I took one each and had a pint. Next thing we were hanging around outside the pub trying to start a fight. NOT a good mix. I presume the other punters assumed we were tooled up because they backed off. Lucky because IF a fight had taken place, we would have been battered, no two ways about it.

Barbs are so unpredictable and although tolerance increases, the lethal dose does not. That's why barb addicts were the most common client we saw at Lifeline in 1971.

 

[axe battler]

You wouldn’t believe but snorting methadone isn’t a thing at all in my country. People either take it orally or use it I.V.

I have even heard people saying it isn’t snortable, I guess only tablets that are available really ain’t good for that ROA is only possible explanation.

I did once snorted tiny, tiny amount of pure methadone and it was almost like I didn’t snort anything at all, no sting or anything but it was really tiny amount, worked good tho. Can’t say it worked better than taking it orally but it was only a couple of mg so that’s probably why.

Oh god i snorted little lines if pure methadone powder and it felt like broken glass. Probably the most painful thing I've ever snorted. This was back when I had very little opiate tolerance and the line was probably about 30mg. I was wrecked for about 2 days.

 

[AlsoTapered]

Something not quite right there. The hydrochloride salt is very water-soluble. Maybe an excipient was left in there? Maybe it was the freebase? Yeah - a little goes a long way. Hence the tablets are 5mg.

Vaping the freebase works but statistically speaking, has demonstrated a 50% mortality rate (based on a 12 month average).

 

[elgoucho9]

If you need 70-80mg of diazepam AND alcohol, you have developed a great deal of tolerance.

I was once gifted about 200 blues that had been dispensed by a UK pharmacy and just two of them was more than enough. Yes, I could have taken more but I guess it depends on what effects you seek. I just enjoyed the reduced anxiety and the muscle relaxant properties.

Yeah i hadn't drank alcohol in over 30 days, probably ore like 40-50 days.

And my previous estimates were probably inflated. I had what should have been a full strip of galenikas last night, I would estimate each Gaenika Bensedin to be around 5mg, so maybe 70mg diaz.

Either way I've woken up feeling fresh, didn't do anyting stupid last night, came home when i intended to etc,

There's really no doubt in my mind, that the Martin Dows Rocje are the best brand on the maret and the Gakenika are slipping.

 

[AlsoTapered]

I imagine these suppliers are quickly realizing that they can save a little money by putting less active into each pill. But as I've mentioned, diazepam only costs about $320/Kg. I don't know how much people pay for these pills, but I suggest that the profits are simply huge.

Grisham's law will always kick in when their is no regulation. As long as people will buy drugs of uncertain quality, they will sell them. There are related compounds that are about x10 as potent with a similar action but their cost is only marginally higher. So you wouldn't know if it was diazepam unless you actually performed a qualitative and quantitative analysis.

As far as I know none of the precursors are controlled and anyone who can produce diazepam can just as easily produce fludiazepam (for example). Fludiazepam is really only used in Japan and Taiwan but it's subjective activity is very similar.

It appears that on-line benzos are edging towards 'street Valium' that is a big problem in the UK. Since people don't really know what's in them, there have been a lot of deaths among polydrug users.

 

[elgoucho9]

I imagine these suppliers are quickly realizing that they can save a little money by putting less active into each pill. But as I've mentioned, diazepam only costs about $320/Kg. I don't know how much people pay for these pills, but I suggest that the profits are simply huge.

Grisham's law will always kick in when their is no regulation. As long as people will buy drugs of uncertain quality, they will sell them. There are related compounds that are about x10 as potent with a similar action but their cost is only marginally higher. So you wouldn't know if it was diazepam unless you actually performed a qualitative and quantitative analysis.

As far as I know none of the precursors are controlled and anyone who can produce diazepam can just as easily produce fludiazepam (for example). Fludiazepam is really only used in Japan and Taiwan but it's subjective activity is very similar.

It appears that on-line benzos are edging towards 'street Valium' that is a big problem in the UK. Since people don't really know what's in them, there have been a lot of deaths among polydrug users.

The way I've always thought about supply man. It really is best to just give the consumer what they want, set yourself head and shoulders above the (usually crummy competition, people willing to cut corners and such) and just have the best possible product, initially even coming in cheap, then once the consumers try the product and see your worth, you are able then to dictate price.

Now from what you're saying there, would be very easy for someone to do some with buying diazepam powder and pressing pills of a certain obvious stamp, and everyone would want their brand.

On another note I have a quite simply lovely glow at the moment, and I mean really 10/10 of any afterglow I've had, between those galenikas last night (labtested as diazepam, although if you ask me they're weak compared to martin dows.. still wasn't saying no when mate said he'd ran out of the dows and gave me a box of galenikas free lol), but yes the glow between the rather high dose I had of those tonight then went all out since it's Saturday and my Pregablin arrived had 900mg of that this morning, on top of a smoke of weed and some strong coffee I'm feeling on cloud 9 this morning

 

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Actually, if one merely crushes and snorts Physeptone (methadone) tablets, the results are pretty impressive. While you can crush and snort Valoid, it's just nasty... but then you do it again. I do not know why.

Back in the 1980s DDN actually had a front page article called 'The Limit of Intervention' which discussed the fact that people who got into that crazy mix were almost impossible to help.

Interesting history though. Travelling salesmen would smurf pharmacies all over their region (Smartly dressed people carrying briefcases are infrequently challenged). They paid about 11p a pill at the time, a dealer would pay 25p and sell them to users for 50p each.

So the salesmen would make about £5/box but if your job means you just drive past pharmacies, I guess an extra £20-£30/day was well worth having.

The most recent dealer who got caught (twice) was some woman in Liverpool who was buying them on-line (as far as I can tell) and selling them for £1 each to people on methadone maintenance. Evidently even if the methadone is consumed orally, banging up cyclizine still works. I guess these were punters who would struggle to get the money to buy a box of 100.

I have NO idea why specifically 3,3-diphenyl heptanone opioids (dipipanone and methadone) and cyclizine have this strange interaction. I've heard of isolated cases in the US where people would take the cyclizine orally as well so the damage wasn't so acute... but it just sounds dreadful. To be avoided at all costs.

I have proven you can buy this prescription only medicine online, with ease and even had it delivered via Royal Mail. And it was all totally legit and sent from a real, legit pharmacy.

Ninja edit.

Marzine (cyclizine)

I'm thinking of trying cyclizine, because I hear it can boost other drugs. I've never bought it before, so do you just ask "Can I have Marzine?" at the pharmacy? Now that it's corona time, people don't really travel, so is buying motion sickness pills suspicious? I sometimes get nauseous when...

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[BadBoy377]

I have proven you can buy this prescription only medicine online, with ease and even had it delivered via Royal Mail. And it was all totally legit and sent from a real, legit pharmacy.

I've said this so many times this week I should probably tattoo it on my boaby

 

[BadBoy377]

Actually last week. Or month. Either works.

 

[AlsoTapered]

I have proven you can buy this prescription only medicine online, with ease and even had it delivered via Royal Mail. And it was all totally legit and sent from a real, legit pharmacy.

Ninja edit.

Marzine (cyclizine)

I'm thinking of trying cyclizine, because I hear it can boost other drugs. I've never bought it before, so do you just ask "Can I have Marzine?" at the pharmacy? Now that it's corona time, people don't really travel, so is buying motion sickness pills suspicious? I sometimes get nauseous when...

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Cyclizine is a [P] rather than a [POM] but indeed, many pharmacies will sell [POM]s as long as they aren't covered by The Medicines Act or The Misuse of Drugs Act.

There are some interesting holes in The Misuse of Drugs Act.

 

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Cyclizine is a [P] rather than a [POM] but indeed, many pharmacies will sell [POM]s as long as they aren't covered by The Medicines Act or The Misuse of Drugs Act.

There are some interesting holes in The Misuse of Drugs Act.

Try it these days, none of the pharmacists will risk it. You get sideway glanced asking for codeine and cough medicine nowadays. Much easier to get an online prescription, even if you do pay through the nose for it. Even Harley Street does online prescriptions these days. Get with the times, grandad.

 

[Survival0200]

^I wish I looked like a grandma. No one would suspect an old lady abusing cough medicine!

 

[AlsoTapered]

Well I'm an old man... and it works for me.

If I say 'my wife needs a bottle of codeine linctus' and wave my crutches at them, they seem to get the drift.

But Harley Street is still full of 'doctor feelgoods' and if you out £300, diazepam, clomethiazole and basically anything not listed in the Misuse of Drugs Act is there for the asking. Actually, even IF mentioned in the MoDA. Anything that isn't a CD.

 

[SpiralusSancti]

Oh god i snorted little lines if pure methadone powder and it felt like broken glass. Probably the most painful thing I've ever snorted. This was back when I had very little opiate tolerance and the line was probably about 30mg. I was wrecked for about 2 days.

It was just a tiny amount, like a few mg, but had pretty much 0 opiod tolerance so that too worked. But I really didn’t feel any sting or anything, if I had snorted 30mg idk maybe than it would hurt. I’m pretty sure it was HCl, got it as a gift from a person I trusted and was said it’s fine for snorting and it really was.

 

[SpiralusSancti]

If person is up to stop mild to moderate benzo habit cold turkey (reason for doing so is not of importance) would it make more sense to take a relatively big dose (like 2 – 3x normal daily, lets say 30mg) of diazepam as a last dose rather than tapering of that same amount? Given how long is half-life and everything, doing so seems to be just as good/bad idea as ultra fast tapper?