Miscellaneous (In my subjective opinion) Mushrooms are waaaay better than LSD

[qwertygina]

About how many times have you done each?


That's stellar.


For the fucking win! That's great and all, but umm, you chew the mushrooms for "about six minutes swallowing slowly"? Why would you want to taste that? I like to chop them up and add them to a peanut butter sandwich and down it with a coke – I have a theory that the carbonation helps it get into your blood faster. Or if I have time, I'll grind those bitches up in a coffee bean grinder and fill up size 00 capsules. I can fit a whole 3.5 g in 8 capsules.


What's weird is – as I understand it – IV injection of LSD doesn't hasten the onset of its effects. But it isn't like LSD takes forever to come on, not when compared to say DOx-family compounds.

Well I'm 50 years old
Started acid in HS
At 20 first time I did shrooms.
I've done both A LOT
I'd say at least 50 trips on each maybe more

 

[BourbonMac]

Ever since doing DMT hundreds of times, well, even the first couple intense trips, mushrooms have always felt uncomfortable for me. Even if there's uncontrollable laughter, I just feel this roller coaster body rush. On DMT I feel that too but it's more soothing for me. I haven't taken LSD in awhile and want to, haven't found anyone who has it though. 1p-LSD is legal but that's like impossible to find as well, I guess it's almost identical to LSD-25. I don't think dark web would be worth it for something like that. Perhaps since psilocybin technically contains DMT (?) it's why the effects changed.

I mean I can feel this body rush from just a half gram. Either the shrooms I get are too strong or I don't know... was going to try amanitas real soon though because those are easy to get being fully legal and all. My local pond actually has tons of them growing around, I compared enough pics to know it was the real deal. Record rainfall has led to insane amounts of mushrooms all over MA to the point where like 70 beaches/ponds have had to close down due to bacteria. I think I've found some other psychoactive shrooms as well, I mean I think most shrooms are technically psychoactive to a mild extent but I wouldn't pick the wild amanita. I'd rather buy dried ones or some amanita gummies/capsules or something. I know it's not usually a good trip, but I want to know what it's like.

That said, I haven't done mushrooms with anybody else in like 7 years, I've always done them alone and that isn't always great when you don't have someone else tripping to relate to. Being the only one tripping in a group of 4 is even worse. "Hey, snap out of it!" yeah... sorry I'm not on this planet right now

 

[unodelacosa]

Ever since doing DMT hundreds of times, well, even the first couple intense trips, mushrooms have always felt uncomfortable for me. Even if there's uncontrollable laughter, I just feel this roller coaster body rush. On DMT I feel that too but it's more soothing for me. I haven't taken LSD in awhile and want to, haven't found anyone who has it though. 1p-LSD is legal but that's like impossible to find as well, I guess it's almost identical to LSD-25. I don't think dark web would be worth it for something like that. Perhaps since psilocybin technically contains DMT (?) it's why the effects changed.

I mean I can feel this body rush from just a half gram. Either the shrooms I get are too strong or I don't know... was going to try amanitas real soon though because those are easy to get being fully legal and all. My local pond actually has tons of them growing around, I compared enough pics to know it was the real deal. Record rainfall has led to insane amounts of mushrooms all over MA to the point where like 70 beaches/ponds have had to close down due to bacteria. I think I've found some other psychoactive shrooms as well, I mean I think most shrooms are technically psychoactive to a mild extent but I wouldn't pick the wild amanita. I'd rather buy dried ones or some amanita gummies/capsules or something. I know it's not usually a good trip, but I want to know what it's like.

That said, I haven't done mushrooms with anybody else in like 7 years, I've always done them alone and that isn't always great when you don't have someone else tripping to relate to. Being the only one tripping in a group of 4 is even worse. "Hey, snap out of it!" yeah... sorry I'm not on this planet right now

I get the same feeling of unease from eating psilocybin mushrooms. I'd much rather trip acid, which has been something like a good friend since I was 15 yrs old and tripped for the first time. We've been through some harrowing events together, too, but through thick and thin, I've always had a good time or at least rendered an excellent story to tell later.

But so just a few points for clarity. Amanita muscaria mushrooms, aka fly agaric mushrooms, do not contain any tryptamines at all. The psychoactive substances are muscimol and its neurotoxic precursor, ibotenic acid. Its qualitative effects are more akin to, idk, Salvia if I had to pick something. Also do note: "A. muscaria (and A. pantherina) should be eaten with caution and prepared properly to lessen effects of nausea. In A. muscaria, the layer just below the skin of the cap contains the highest amount of muscimol, and is therefore the most psychoactive portion." I think you'll want to do an aqueous extract with warm water to extract the active components and cut down significantly on the nausea factor.

 

[odissey]

Hi everyone! I would like to offer my personal view on this topic since I am a huge fan of psychedelics for both therapeutic and recreational purposes. Most people here seem to prefer LSD, and I believe the reason is because they are comparing it against p. Cubensis. There are many species of mushrooms and cubensis is arguably the very worst of them (and yes penis envy is still a cubensis). Cubensis is blurry, sometimes sinister, confusing and overall very prone to mindfucks. That is not to say you can't have a fun and spiritual trip full of love on cubensis. But overall, LSD tends to be more light and sharp.
If you start growing your own mushrooms you will find some species are significantly better than LSD by a long, fat margin. Most notably, p. Subtropicalis (aka semperviva). Compared to LSD, semperviva goes way deeper, has that "journey/adventure" feeling like no other substance, is the most interactive mushroom I have ever tried (as in you feel the mushroom presence and it communicates loud and clear with you) and even though it has taken me further than anything else I have ever taken, it feels like it always takes you by the hand so you never feel scared. There are many other interesting species. Overall, I feel LSD trips are fun and enlightening but it lacks that journey like feeling as well as this "presence" of mushrooms.
If I were to rank my psychedelic experiences based on personal growth/ clarity/ spirituality/ recreational value it would be Semperviva > p.natalensis = changa > pan. Cyanescens > p. Tampanensis (fruit) > LSD > p. cubensis .
Now you might think "thats all great but how do I get a hold of these exotic mushrooms?". Both Semperviva and p. Natalensis can be just as easy to grow as p. Cubensis. It will be an amazing journey for yourself and it will be an incredibly rewarding experience to immerse yourself in your own grown fruits.

 

[qwertygina]

i feel like low doses of shrooms make me feel a little bit similar to being buzzed on alcohol, which isn't really my favorite thing. it's not really as stimulating to me as acid. shrooms make me kind of sleepy where as acid i'm awake totally... but they both work great to help the nerve damage in my back and i'd take either, i just prefer acid anologues for fun. acid and shrooms are both super cool for creativity like art or making music imo. playing music has often got me over the nausea/slightly drunk feeling that shrooms gives.

i am interested in stepping up my shroom dosage though. the most i ever had was 5 and a half grams of dried shrooms and i remember lying in bed and thinking i was in a cave similar to the chilid's show fragile rock. i started walking through the cave and woke up because i noticed i was really trying to walk in my bed... i woke up and wasn't really tripping as hard as i would've liked to be, but it was cool i was in a completley different place for a few minutes. i'd like to take like 14 dried grams and see what happens. i've had acid experiences where i kept going in and out of dreams being transported to and from the dreams through these tunnells that my vision would fly through. it was crazy like smoking strong salvia over and over again. i'd like to see if shrooms can get the same. i bet they can from my experiences with lower doses... i doubt i'll ever try this though because i wouldn't want to unless shrooms were legal in case i do something to get cought and even if it were legal, i'd have to get good at growing them so i would have enough to care to dose that high. lol. if i only have a limited supply i'll want to just take lower doses to have as many trips as possible... i really hope they legalize shrooms in my state. right now i don't really feel free to live my life and i think it's kind of sad... i never see dealers to get any shrooms now that's weed is legal. life has been different for me for the past four or so years not really tripping hard. having HPPD and schizophrenia with smoking weed seems to get me by with being entertained though... gotta get some more shrooms before i die though. hopefully they just become legal so i can grow as many as i want. i hope by typing this people from the government are spying on me and feel for my situation wanting to change the law. lol. how's a person supposed to not feel free. not good, imo.

Making a tea from the shrooms will eliminate that boozy feeling and any nausea. Well for me and a lot of people I know it does anyway..

 

[foodcrisis]

Making a tea from the shrooms will eliminate that boozy feeling and any nausea. Well for me and a lot of people I know it does anyway..

it doesn't completley go away for me. i've never gotten any stomach aches with tea, but i still get a weird feeling.... i pretty much always use tea method after having tried it. i feel like it's just as strong. i didn't really think it would be, but it is good. thanks for the reply.

 

[unodelacosa]

i pretty much always use tea method after having tried it. i feel like it's just as strong.

There's maybe a loss in total amount of alkaloids consumed, but I'm not sure it's something one would notice. Psilocybin tea leads to a more rapid onset of effects as well as a more rapid metabolism and shorter duration of effects. Some might find this desirable, other might consider it a demerit – there are pros and cons to each method of consumption / RoA.

Of the psychedelic alkaloids in P. cubensis psilocybe mushrooms, roughly 70% of it is psilocybin, 25% is psilocin, and the remainder compounds like baeocystin (4-hydroxy-n-methylphosphoryloxytryptamine), norbaeocystin (4-hydroxyphosphoryloxytryptamine, a positional isomer of serotonin), and aeruginascen (4-hydroxy-n,n,n-trimethylphosphoryloxytryptamine, a purported euphoric tryptamine).

When mushroom tea is made – and this is more so true when heat is added – the ~25% psilocin is sometimes destroyed due to the sensitivity and charge of the 4-HO molecule that is otherwise protected by the phosphorous in psilocybin. There are determining factors to this, but something to be aware of anyway. But hey, even if 25% of the alkaloids are compromised, it's still very effective and worth doing to avoid the stomach issues if they plague you.

 

[MuertaMan]

I agree mushrooms are so much better in every way I am shocked when I hear people say they prefer LSD. One of the reasons I think most people dont like mushrooms is a simple case of improper storage, lots of people claim things like "Stomach pain, vomiting nausea and diarrhea" and having a fucked up stomach the next day or two and none of that is from the mushroom its from someone storing them when they arent completely dried and probably carrying some nasty bacteria that has grown on it. If you dry and store with dessicant your mushrooms won't cause any of that shit except some mild nausea maybe during the first few minutes of the come up. When I eat shrooms they make my stomach feel clean and good and my whole body feels light once Ive come up and I feel full of energy and like Im weightless and superhuman. There is a body euphoria with good shrooms that can sometimes feel as good as MDMA or even better IMO because you don't have any shitty comedown and feel depleted for days/weeks afterwards, I feel better and refreshed not hungover. Listening to Psytrance on a strong dose of mushrooms is a life changing experience IMO and it feels so euphoric to me that it makes feel good hard drugs like opiates and crack feel like pussy shit when you hit the right dose and can channel it, its not as repeatable and predictable like those other drugs but when you get a trip like that it beats the fuck out of them.

The trip is the perfect amount of time too and you don't have to sit there feeling cracked out for 6-8 hours while the shitty part wears off like LSD. I never feel like LSD is something that is good for me, my spine and neck always hurt and my back just feels like shit and I never get that from mushrooms. I like how you don't have to rely on dealers to get them either and you know for a fact that you have something that isn't an RC being passed off as LSD. I could never take something sold to me as acid and have a good time, I would be horrified if I took some 24hr+ RC hallucinogen and having to ride that out. My LSD days were during the turn of the century 1999-2000 era when sheets of dancing condoms and pink elephants were rampant in my highschool and while I loved it back then it was even hard on my body/mind as a 15 year old I wouldnt want to go through that comedown nowadays. Mushrooms are a bit trickier to get the dosage right for people so I think alot of experiences can turn out lackluster or scare the shit out of someone from too much but when you hit that just right dose I can't think of much that rivals how you feel in the moment during the peak. Ive been itching to eat some good ones Ive had saved but the right time hasnt come along yet but I can't wait until it does.

 

[gwgw]

I prefer LSD to shrooms even though overall I've had more shroom trips. Reasons are trivial, LSD is more recreative, shrooms are too serious for me. Body load is usually worse, they are more sedating and more inappropriate for outdoor settings with people around. LSD is more forgiving for sure, less introspective, makes me interested in the environment, the music turns into a 4D experience. Mushrooms are definitely more therapeutic but not something I can do more than once or twice a year. AL-LAD is even more refined recreative fun and I am afraid I liked it enough so that LSD experience now feels a bit rough and somewhat devoid of that pure hedonist fun and easygoingness.

Done DMT too, I find it somewhat uneasy and menacing but I lack enough experience to have a meaningful opinion.

P.S never had any digestive tract issues with shrooms. I eat them dried as they are, rarely in tea. I rarely even have nausea from any psychedelic (I have from phenethylamines though)

 

[nepalnt21]

they are comparing it against p. Cubensis.

i have just as much experience with p. ovoideocystidiata as i do with cubies (prolly more), and then i've also had panaeolus cinctulus and panaeolopsis sp., as well as gymnopilus junonius (also amanita spp., but as pointed out that's a different topic entirely).

i find that mushrooms in general are more mindfuckey, serious (not all serious all the time, just mostly), insanity inducing, and ultimately forcefully therapeutic (hold my face to the flames of my personal issues kinda shit); each different species/ genus do have their subtle differences, but i find the differences to be less than the differences that come about from different set + settings. the same drug can sometimes be WILDLY different at different points of my life.

i find acid to be more recreational (although it does have some of all of the above, just more dilute), and more euphoric but also i can handle my shit better on acid than shroomies. i never feel out of control, even if i'm so high that i don't know how a house key works. the therapy is gentler, less THRUST into it like shrooms, more invited.

shroomies can make my mind feel like chaos... sometimes very deeply scary, like on a cosmic level.

general trends i've noticed:

cubies tend to be more on the 'imposter syndrome'- inducing, fearsome side;

ovoids tend to be more along the trickster mindfuckery side of things;

panaeolus cinctulus/ panaeolopsis (not so sure of these, only had them each once or twice, and i mixed them together at least once) seem more jovial, happy-go-lucky, calm.

gyms i've had once, nothing to write home about... it wasn't enough for a +++, and it felt empty, pointless. i wasn't unhappy when it ended (watching fear and loathing actually sucked that night... the movie seemed so superficial/ hollywood- shallow). i'd probably visit them again, but the taste of the red ass tea i made was not pleasant, to say the least (i'd love to find some gymnopilus luteofolius, they're just so beautiful).

and then there are the other lysergamides, i'm not even gonna get into it.

 

[The_Big_Man]

Shrooms and psilacetin are very enjoyable but for me nothing can beat LSD. Shrooms are relaxing, short acting, and not as heady compared to LSD especially at lower doses. But LSD makes me feel energized and wired for up to 18 hours and has an effect of "trapping" me in my head at much lower doses than shrooms. In my area (and I'm assuming most others) LSD is much more expensive and hard to come by so it raises its perceived value to me. Its an occasional treat I only get once every few years. My first trip was LSD, my most enjoyable trips were LSD, and if I have a say in it my last trip will be LSD. I actually am getting LSD for the first time in 2 years next week so I am very excited.

 

[TripSitterNZ]

both are great, but i prefer acid. I would go thru phases were i only did shrooms or only did acid.

Shrooms are great if you don;t have alot of time to trip on acid, and you can sleep afterwards aswell.

But shrooms can be very emotional rollercoaster and I never knew what i would get in terms of visuals eating them, at least the acid if you took 100 or 200 ug you knew what level you werre gonna get to. With shrooms the potency can vary alot in the wild.

I have done both many many times, over 150 times for acid 50+ shroom trips.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Shrooms and psilacetin are very enjoyable but for me nothing can beat LSD. Shrooms are relaxing, short acting, and not as heady compared to LSD especially at lower doses. But LSD makes me feel energized and wired for up to 18 hours and has an effect of "trapping" me in my head at much lower doses than shrooms. In my area (and I'm assuming most others) LSD is much more expensive and hard to come by so it raises its perceived value to me. Its an occasional treat I only get once every few years. My first trip was LSD, my most enjoyable trips were LSD, and if I have a say in it my last trip will be LSD. I actually am getting LSD for the first time in 2 years next week so I am very excited.

im excited for you

everybody should just quit what they're doing, and do LSD

 

[The_Big_Man]

im excited for you

everybody should just quit what they're doing, and do LSD

If I had a way to perfectly preserve a lifetime supply of LSD (100-500ug trips every 2 weeks for 80 years) I would be very happy lol. Sure I could spend my life savings on maybe a decade supply but that sadly would be a bad life choice. If only we had government LSD rations

 

[The_Big_Man]

both are great, but i prefer acid. I would go thru phases were i only did shrooms or only did acid.

Shrooms are great if you don;t have alot of time to trip on acid, and you can sleep afterwards aswell.

But shrooms can be very emotional rollercoaster and I never knew what i would get in terms of visuals eating them, at least the acid if you took 100 or 200 ug you knew what level you werre gonna get to. With shrooms the potency can vary alot in the wild.

I have done both many many times, over 150 times for acid 50+ shroom trips.

If you want to remove the uncertainty of shrooms you can try Psilacetin (4-AcO-DMT). 30mg is 30mg so you're not getting varied potency. Though some people describe it as closer to DMT in its effects than shrooms, especially at higher doses. If you give it a try I must warn you to START LOW. Don't trust Xmg of Psilacetin = Xgrams of shrooms comparisons you see online as I have found they are very innacurate and the dose curve is very different and steep compared to shrooms. Start at 10-15mg and work your way up until you're comfy. I personally love 30mg and it feels like 5-6g of cubes with a much more DMT like visual experience. Also some people, myself included, experience high rates of meeting entities. Every time I trip I meet some wacky creatures and we'll chill for a while.

 

[MuertaMan]

LSD wishes it could compare to mushrooms, you can trip on large doses of mushrooms weekly for years if you wanted (I went overboard and did just that for around 2 years) and come out the other end without any negative side effects, try that with acid and you'll end up a half wit that people don't enjoy being around. Plus the chance of HPPD which never happens with mushrooms. Most people arent even taking acid anyway probably some garbage RC but they'll sure tell you its pure and of course only they get the best hits ever bro so I don't even argue anymore I just nod along and pretend I believe them and stick to shrooms.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Making tea of amanita might be better than eating raw, but if you want to really minimize the neurotoxic pro-glutamate effect, dry them for half a year and eat raw then or make tea. I don't remember what the process is called, but oxygenating the fuck out of them is the point.

 

[SeventhSea]

I find that it really depends on what kinda experience you are going for. But the nausea of eating actual psilocybin mushrooms makes me prefer synthetic 4-sub tryptamines to shrooms.

I experienced a bit of nausea eating chocolates recently with mushroom powder cooked in was not expecting it since they were prepared!

Speaking of I bought them from an underground dispensary in the ghetto lol that’s a first getting them from a kind of shop they don’t care about the law haha

Also an amigo told me an unregulated weed seller in a headship selling them discreetly to loyal customers at least his friend a VIP card anyways crazy to hear of shroom bars from a headshop where they are still schedule 1 wtf bro awesome

I would take acid any day over shrooms all about how you do it to produce the experience I guess I have had some uncontrollable shit happen on high doses of shrooms taken what made it dangerous was encountering law enforcement both times I was that far gone and too abrasive with society lol did not get violent just wayward behavior in public also that’s enough out of me I can see high doses of either for inexperienced people equally risky this was before I understood what a strong dose really is

 

[SeventhSea]

LSD wishes it could compare to mushrooms, you can trip on large doses of mushrooms weekly for years if you wanted (I went overboard and did just that for around 2 years) and come out the other end without any negative side effects, try that with acid and you'll end up a half wit that people don't enjoy being around. Plus the chance of HPPD which never happens with mushrooms. Most people arent even taking acid anyway probably some garbage RC but they'll sure tell you its pure and of course only they get the best hits ever bro so I don't even argue anymore I just nod along and pretend I believe them and stick to shrooms.

Lol sounds risky taking a RC like that some people take analogues knowingly which are RCs not sure they all qualify as garbage if NBOMe does perhaps you haven’t met people taking the right kind of LSD!

 

[unodelacosa]

LSD wishes it could compare to mushrooms,

Let's not personify LSD, please. LSD is an inanimate object not capable of desire. This doesn't need to devolve into a polarity, stereotyping, and broadly sweeping assumptions. Both drugs are capable of being anything from underwhelming to life-changing, from profound to barely noticeable, depending on so many factors. Nothing's guaranteed. I've done a lot of both drugs for decades now, which brings me to my next refutation.

you can trip on large doses of mushrooms weekly for years if you wanted (I went overboard and did just that for around 2 years) and come out the other end without any negative side effects, try that with acid and you'll end up a half wit that people don't enjoy being around. Plus the chance of HPPD which never happens with mushrooms.

I'm either living proof that this isn't true or I'm just woefully unaware of my half-wit status and that explains why I have no friends… lol. Uh-oh, flashback coming on!

Also "you can trip on large doses of mushrooms weekly for years" ☜ no thanks, Champ. I'll leave that to you. I find shrooms too couch-locking. They make it hard to dance for me, and they're too emotional, occasionally even hostile-feeling. Furthermore, they're certainly not gonna win any culinary awards any time soon, let's just say, and they're not too friendly to the gut.

Most people arent even taking acid anyway probably some garbage RC but they'll sure tell you its pure and of course only they get the best hits ever bro so I don't even argue anymore I just nod along and pretend I believe them and stick to shrooms.

"Most people"? Is that right? You've got the stats for that? Because I think you're confusing now with a period about 10 years ago when there was an actual LSD shortage and there was a sudden proliferation of 25x-NBOMe drugs on blotter going around being sold as "acid", but this was some time ago. Currently there is high quality LSD all over the place, Aztec Acid, Gamma Goblin acid, Dr. Seuss 3, gel tabs, liquid, etc. And it's affordable, potent, and cleaner than it was in the past. Test kits are more popular than ever now, too, thanks in part to fentanyl.

As far as most lysergamides in the market go, 1. they're being honestly represented, the drug name written on each tab sometimes, 2. they're largely 1-substituted analogues that are simply prodrugs for LSD, and 3. as such, considering they're sourced from professionally run laboratories, the quality is very high. Some might even argue we're in a bit of an LSD golden age right now. Time will tell. In the interim I suggest get a new LSD source. I suspect you're missing out on the good stuff and might only be aware of shitty "L" from unscrupulous dealers.

Bottom line is: everyone is different. Some of us gravitate to shrooms, some to LSD, and some to neither. All of these things are fine, and if someone is in a different group from yours, it's for personal reasons that make sense to them, and if it doesn't make sense to you, that's fine, no need to criticize others as being "half-wit that people don't enjoy being around" who are dumb enough to not be aware they're not even taking LSD but rather a "garbage RC", which is interesting because now we're not even discussing someone on LSD but another drug altogether. Sounds like you have some bad personal experience you've projected on to everyone else. Whoever this person is in your life? That person doesn't represent the rest of the LSD-imbibing world, you know…