Sorry in advance for the long post, I just wanted to get all relevant stuff in. I would like to speak to others who are familiar with pregabalin, possibly those who have had more than one addiction to it, would help me benefit from your experience.
Hello, I used kratom to get off opiates, after foolishly choosing them as an option to deal with the pain of a breakup as I did not know, at that time, I was actually capable of NOT using weed everyday, I assumed I would end up a daily stoner like before.
The kratom got me through the acute withdrawal stage of the opiates, but my mood was so low, I might have just stayed in bed all Summer, brooding over the why’s and ?’s of the breakup, so, I was not prepared to spend a summer not functioning. I am on the autistic spectrum but I don’t want people to think I am using it as an excuse. Diagnosed in 2020.
My tolerance to the kratom climbed, but over 40 grams a day (I know a lot, but there’s people who take far more) and Kratom did something bad to me mentally, so before my proper taper, I did an initial 10g cut, which helped, and then in January I started to cut 1% per day to “slide off”
This proved too much, so I moved to 0.1g cuts per day, and even this was too much.
Then, there was a threatened disruption to supply, when I had tapered down to 20grams a day, less than half of my dose.
I know a golden rule in kratom tapers is to use the same batch, but the threat of supply of that batch was actualised, and I was forced to go onto what I thought was a lower quality batch from a different country.
Rather than assume I needed 20g, I just dosed little by little through the day of the new batch and, puzzlingly, have found that 19 grams a day has sufficed for the last few days, in fact, I have slightly stabilised.
0.1g daily cuts were hard, there was no way I would have been capable of dropping a gram at once, yet I did 72 hours ago, on poorer quality kratom.
Some people do really slow tapers as they cannot manage faster ones.
I know many will see kratom as trivial compared to heroin or other opiates, and, while some people got through their quits and tapers, but there are, many like me, who simply found it too hard to taper, many cold turkey quitters who relapsed, and many who kratom turned on.
Some went onto suboxone/naltrexone etc as a last resort to get off it.
It has so many alkaloids, the effects vary, and it feels so up and down for me, I just do not know how I am going to get off it.
This is where pregabalin comes in, and I am weighing up the pro’s and con’s of f*cking kratom off and going onto pregabalin to get me through the acutes and the PAWS, as many kratom quitters got PAWS and it may have even made some of them relapse. I had opiate PAWS when I quit them, they were horrible.
I did have a habit of 600mg pregabalin and quit. Cold turkey was a disaster, so I devised a taper plan that was painless, I used liquid titration. To save this post being long, if anyone wants to know a painless way of getting off pregabalin, pm me, and I will be more than happy to send you the details.
I know that tolerance builds rapidly for pregalin, being familiar with it.
I am not interested in getting high.
My goal is to get through the acute stage, and, also the aftermath, where I was not functioning mentally, as in too depressed to go out. the PAWS and then I will start to taper pregabin in the way I did before as it was painless.
I do not want to get high on pregabalin, and I do not want to go straight onto 600mg pregabalin, I just thought I would take as little as possible to mask the withdrawals and to keep me mentally functional enough to interact with people and do my day to day stuff, no more.
I am concerned that the tolerance will mean I need more and more, but that could just be me being paranoid. If I found an optimum dose to keep me mentally functional enough to interact with people and do my day to day stuff, would that be enough for several months, before I taper that, or would the depression and anxiety start poking through the dose I chose to make me feel just ok?
I have some questions please?
At the time, I tapered pregabalin I was on 75mg valium, but I heard several times that benzos do not help pregabalin withdrawal, is this true?
This makes me think that, rather than carrying on struggling with kratom, why not go onto pregabalin and do another painless taper?
While the first pregabalin taper was painless due to daily tiny cuts, would the second one be harder, even if I stuck to the same regime?
Going back to the kratom, how come I needed 20g of the good quality stuff, and had gas, bad anxiety and depression, yet, on the supposedly lower quality stuff, I only need 19 grams a day, and I have no gas, my mental state has stabilised a bit? How come?
Thanks for answering my questions. I hope to learn from this discussion and to help by pm'ing my painless pregab taper plan if needed by anyone.
Hello, I used kratom to get off opiates, after foolishly choosing them as an option to deal with the pain of a breakup as I did not know, at that time, I was actually capable of NOT using weed everyday, I assumed I would end up a daily stoner like before.
The kratom got me through the acute withdrawal stage of the opiates, but my mood was so low, I might have just stayed in bed all Summer, brooding over the why’s and ?’s of the breakup, so, I was not prepared to spend a summer not functioning. I am on the autistic spectrum but I don’t want people to think I am using it as an excuse. Diagnosed in 2020.
My tolerance to the kratom climbed, but over 40 grams a day (I know a lot, but there’s people who take far more) and Kratom did something bad to me mentally, so before my proper taper, I did an initial 10g cut, which helped, and then in January I started to cut 1% per day to “slide off”
This proved too much, so I moved to 0.1g cuts per day, and even this was too much.
Then, there was a threatened disruption to supply, when I had tapered down to 20grams a day, less than half of my dose.
I know a golden rule in kratom tapers is to use the same batch, but the threat of supply of that batch was actualised, and I was forced to go onto what I thought was a lower quality batch from a different country.
Rather than assume I needed 20g, I just dosed little by little through the day of the new batch and, puzzlingly, have found that 19 grams a day has sufficed for the last few days, in fact, I have slightly stabilised.
0.1g daily cuts were hard, there was no way I would have been capable of dropping a gram at once, yet I did 72 hours ago, on poorer quality kratom.
Some people do really slow tapers as they cannot manage faster ones.
I know many will see kratom as trivial compared to heroin or other opiates, and, while some people got through their quits and tapers, but there are, many like me, who simply found it too hard to taper, many cold turkey quitters who relapsed, and many who kratom turned on.
Some went onto suboxone/naltrexone etc as a last resort to get off it.
It has so many alkaloids, the effects vary, and it feels so up and down for me, I just do not know how I am going to get off it.
This is where pregabalin comes in, and I am weighing up the pro’s and con’s of f*cking kratom off and going onto pregabalin to get me through the acutes and the PAWS, as many kratom quitters got PAWS and it may have even made some of them relapse. I had opiate PAWS when I quit them, they were horrible.
I did have a habit of 600mg pregabalin and quit. Cold turkey was a disaster, so I devised a taper plan that was painless, I used liquid titration. To save this post being long, if anyone wants to know a painless way of getting off pregabalin, pm me, and I will be more than happy to send you the details.
I know that tolerance builds rapidly for pregalin, being familiar with it.
I am not interested in getting high.
My goal is to get through the acute stage, and, also the aftermath, where I was not functioning mentally, as in too depressed to go out. the PAWS and then I will start to taper pregabin in the way I did before as it was painless.
I do not want to get high on pregabalin, and I do not want to go straight onto 600mg pregabalin, I just thought I would take as little as possible to mask the withdrawals and to keep me mentally functional enough to interact with people and do my day to day stuff, no more.
I am concerned that the tolerance will mean I need more and more, but that could just be me being paranoid. If I found an optimum dose to keep me mentally functional enough to interact with people and do my day to day stuff, would that be enough for several months, before I taper that, or would the depression and anxiety start poking through the dose I chose to make me feel just ok?
I have some questions please?
At the time, I tapered pregabalin I was on 75mg valium, but I heard several times that benzos do not help pregabalin withdrawal, is this true?
This makes me think that, rather than carrying on struggling with kratom, why not go onto pregabalin and do another painless taper?
While the first pregabalin taper was painless due to daily tiny cuts, would the second one be harder, even if I stuck to the same regime?
Going back to the kratom, how come I needed 20g of the good quality stuff, and had gas, bad anxiety and depression, yet, on the supposedly lower quality stuff, I only need 19 grams a day, and I have no gas, my mental state has stabilised a bit? How come?
Thanks for answering my questions. I hope to learn from this discussion and to help by pm'ing my painless pregab taper plan if needed by anyone.
