How I kicked opiates by using loperamide - my story.

[Painful One]

Glad you got the subs. At least they made you feel better. They switched you because they are fucks. They throw subs at everyone now and take away their previous meds because in their eyes we are all a bunch of addicts. They think subs are great for pain and that they aren't abuse-able or as easily diverted ( which both are untrue ) and they're idiots who don't want to deal with pain patients anymore and subs were the answer.

Subs give me a headache too. They make me feel heavy and sleepy but not in a good way. I've had people try to give them away and even when I used I turned them down. I'm sure buprenorphine has it's merits and it's good aspects but too many people got switched to them that shouldn't have.

All you can do at this point I guess is be glad that you have something but I know you feel betrayed by the current system of health care we have now.

Thank you.
yes, I do feel betrayed by this healthcare system.
I have been a perfect pain patient for 16 years.
Hardly ever short a few days and that was only when I had flare ups and I refused the opiates for “breakthrough” pain.
I didn’t understand about the “breakthrough “ pain when I first got prescribed.
But I have managed this with the same dosage for 16 years!

Now, yeah, I feel sleepy and like I have a hangover.
But at least I am not in horrific opiate withdrawal anymore.

Sounds like they are going to let me keep the gabapentin and the 1 mg clonazepam- I need the clonazepam for a REM sleep disorder so that really has to stay and the gabapentin helps for the electrical type stabbing pain I get.

This sucks though! I am hoping I will adjust to these.
I have been through 10 days of literal hell so...it is a relief!

 

[Painful One]

When I first took the suboxone, I had a lot of loperamide in my system. I had been using loperamide to keep me somewhat well.
I did feel it burn the loperamide off the receptors. I got really hot and sweaty for awhile.
Now, it feels like the suboxone has taken over entirely.
I just wanted to leave this as a message for someone in the same boat as me.
I searched BlueLight yesterday and could not find an answer to if I could take subs after using loperamide for days....yes, you can.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

^ yep....be thankful for sure they let you keep the benzo. Usually they take those away too and throw gabs and lyrica at ya ( or an ssri ) but since you had the gabs already that was good. Yep, subs will help your WD from the morphine and once you get stable on them hopefully they will control your pain as well. That hangover analogy was a good one as that's how i felt too. And I was only taking a couple of mgs so it's not like I was taking 8-12 mgs. So yeah, bupe is strong in it's chemical makeup but because it's only a partial agonist ( unlike morphine being a full one ) it takes a bit to get used to them. I wish you all the luck in the world and hope you feel better soon.

 

[Painful One]

I miss the good old days!
It figures I would end up injured and in chronic pain in this fucked up day and age!

 

[Painful One]

^ yep....be thankful for sure they let you keep the benzo. Usually they take those away too and throw gabs and lyrica at ya ( or an ssri ) but since you had the gabs already that was good. Yep, subs will help your WD from the morphine and once you get stable on them hopefully they will control your pain as well. That hangover analogy was a good one as that's how i felt too. And I was only taking a couple of mgs so it's not like I was taking 8-12 mgs. So yeah, bupe is strong in it's chemical makeup but because it's only a partial agonist ( unlike morphine being a full one ) it takes a bit to get used to them. I wish you all the luck in the world and hope you feel better soon.

Thank you. So much.
Thank you for being there with an answer for me yesterday.
I cannot express to you how much I needed that!

So...instead of using the medication that works well and is actually less harmful, we get this shit!
Yeah, we are treated like addicts.
It breaks my heart that old people and people like myself who really need these medications to have some quality of life, are now treated like filth and given these ”alternative “ medications.

I could not find a doctor who would take me, with great insurance coverage and a great history. Not one!
The second they asked what medications I was on and I told them, “MS Contin, Gabapentin, and Clonazepam,“ they pretty much just hung up on me.

What the fuck is happening to the world?

 

[Nurse Ratched]

I miss the good old days!
It figures I would end up injured and in chronic pain in this fucked up day and age!

Yep, I agree. I saw this coming about 3 years ago as i was only a phamaceutical pill popper. I self medicated depression and anxiety my whole life with other people's scripts. I bought them as I couldn't get one of my own.

Then my connects told me that on all their recent appts with their pain mgmt. Dr's that they were getting subs instead. And the few that were getting the goodies that i liked all jacked up their prices. I saw the signs and knew what was going to happen so I said yep, time to quit. It was good while it lasted and I missed my picker uppers for a long time. They gave me energy and euphoria so it was the perfect combo to get things done yet not have anxiety.

And it was my pleasure to help you over the rough spots. I have been where you are and it's not fun but I wasn't on here back then and I did it alone. But I came through it okay. But I didn't have pain like others had. Well, I had pain but it was mental. So i was luckier than some that are having to live in agony because the Dr's quit wanting to deal with it.

 

[kiely]

I don't understand why it got so weird or what is going on with the medical system. Someone I know said that they are doing it on purpose. I don;t know . . . I think that they are just being dumb. Except my pain management doctor . . . who stood up to everyone and who was helping so many and did such a good job. Then they found something on him to keep it political and caused him to lose his license. So he had to leave and go somewhere. It is a nightmare. And terrifying. He really did want to help but he always said they were closing in on him.
Anyway I am heartbroken.

 

[Painful One]

Yep, I agree. I saw this coming about 3 years ago as i was only a phamaceutical pill popper. I self medicated depression and anxiety my whole life with other people's scripts. I bought them as I couldn't get one of my own.

Then my connects told me that on all their recent appts with their pain mgmt. Dr's that they were getting subs instead. And the few that were getting the goodies that i liked all jacked up their prices. I saw the signs and knew what was going to happen so I said yep, time to quit. It was good while it lasted and I missed my picker uppers for a long time. They gave me energy and euphoria so it was the perfect combo to get things done yet not have anxiety.

And it was my pleasure to help you over the rough spots. I have been where you are and it's not fun but I wasn't on here back then and I did it alone. But I came through it okay. But I didn't have pain like others had. Well, I had pain but it was mental. So i was luckier than some that are having to live in agony because the Dr's quit wanting to deal with it.

I am sorry that you have been where I was and that you endured that all alone.
I was serious just thinking I would get in the bathtub downstairs (to keep the brains blow out mess down for my family) and shoot myself in the head.
I was that far into utter agony...,I was actually planning on how to make it so my family didn’t have to see and clean my brains up.
That is honestly the only thing that kept me from doing it. I didn’t want my loved ones to have to clean that up!

 

[kiely]

 

[Painful One]

I don't understand why it got so weird or what is going on with the medical system. Someone I know said that they are doing it on purpose. I don;t know . . . I think that they are just being dumb. Except my pain management doctor . . . who stood up to everyone and who was helping so many and did such a good job. Then they found something on him to keep it political and caused him to lose his license. So he had to leave and go somewhere. It is a nightmare. And terrifying. He really did want to help but he always said they were closing in on him.
Anyway I am heartbroken.

Yeah, I am wondering what it is they are doing.
My doctor all of a sudden went down with dementia right after getting the COVID-19 experimental “vaccine” .
Crippled instantly. Went from being a spry, smart, compassionate, stern, wonderful doctor to.....yeah, I am heartbroken for him.
I sent him a letter telling him Thank you for helping me and giving me a quality of life for all these years.
I even called him a few days ago to get a letter of recommendation from him for another doctor (who would not take me) and I told him I was in dangerous withdrawal from all my medications and he said ”Sorry kiddo, I cannot help you, they have got me SEWN UP.”

So what is going on?
There are hardly ANY doctors out there anymore!

 

[kiely]

I can't believe this is happening. I should be crying but . . . I am just numb.

Physically I should be crying and begging for help. I'm just really weak and I can't do it anymore.

I don't want to go near a hospital. I am going to have to settle for prednisone . . . but come on. I'm in pain now.

I'm just done for it and knocked down from it all. I'm just going to have to get back up again. But it hurts.

Now it is so obvious . . .even when I try to fake it someone still said they saw my leg dragging.

I try but I can not really do a whole lot right now. I used to care now I just don't.

I will be okay with my little bit of rationed medicine I have now to help. My last appointment the doctor said he would
increase the dose for me if I wanted. I said yes. He said alright I just need a blood test but when I picked up the medication at the pharmacy it was still the same dose.

And you know what happens when you call . . . so I just don't waste too much of my time on it anymore because it is just a waste of time.

And I am just taking methotrexate and now this is even an issue . . . . because duh I need more to help stop this or . . . the pain ?

It hurts . . . those dumb poops you know. I'm sick and they know I am . . .well fux I know I am when I stopped being able to walk and would cry myself through the day.

It feels like it affected my brain too but I don't know because I am delayed to begin with. Anyway, I don't think I am going to make it for another three years.

Unless I really try to get better somehow. The thing is I just feel to week and can feel myself slowly dying. There is no energy except what I do keep that is left inside of me.

It's like the wind being knocked out of me and grasping to get strength or trying to. So yeah there is barely any reality left in it worth understanding anymore. I used to ride a mountain bike. Now my stomach muscle cramps up and I can't move like there is a bullet in it. The medicine keeps my bones from cracking but my muscles are still stiff.

Like wtf. Sorry but wtf. Anyway I am out of sugar donuts and energy drinks so I am just going to have to call it a day. Huhha.

 

[Painful One]

I am sorry @kiely
I know how you feel,
It seems people with real issues are just getting handed off to the Suboxone drug addict program.
I really enjoyed having to do a piss test yesterday at the doctor office! *sarcasm
Hang in there, love.
Try to heal yourself through meditation.
I have a brain injury due to car accident and spine injury.
I have made progress at healing myself through meditation.
You are stronger than you know!
Use that fire inside!

 

[Painful One]

Does anyone know how long these suboxone strips last?

It says to put 3 strips under my tongue a day.
I used one yesterday afternoon and that knocked me out until 3:30 a.m. when I took another one.
I am thinking it may be time to use another one.
I just need to eat something first.
I have hardly eaten anything for 10 days now.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Does anyone know how long these suboxone strips last?

It says to put 3 strips under my tongue a day.
I used one yesterday afternoon and that knocked me out until 3:30 a.m. when I took another one.
I am thinking it may be time to use another one.
I just need to eat something first.
I have hardly eaten anything for 10 days now.

3 strips a day is 24 mgs. That's a whopping dose. Maybe he thought that's what you needed to control WD.

With subs, less is better. It has a ceiling effect as well so once you saturate your receptors with bupe the rest is just a waste.

How long are you going to take 3 strips a day and I guess every 8 hours per strip would equal 24.

How many strips did he give you? A months supply?

 

[kiely]

Oh and back to the medical situ topic. I have no prednisone I will have to go back and beg for it or something. The doctor said he can give me prednisone but I didn't get any yet.

I needed help.

People would see me crying myself on the porch or on the couch last summer and ask me if they wanted them to call an ambulance. I would beg them not to because the hospital can't do anything.

I finally got a doctor that is helping me but he doesn't know wtf to say about pain management anymore. It must be a stressful job handling pain patients but my private doctor now seems too nervous to write a script. They did yank my other doctors licence though and he had a big family and a kid in college. So he just left to start all over.

I mean they are gone and just leave. My doctor has been here 25 years and is just doing what he can . . . and he can't be pain management because there seems to be no such thing anymore. Lool. That was stupid. And sad. And BROKEN.

I have insurance. Maybe that's the problem. They don't want to pay.

I had good medical insurance that I have had forever and it had helped me the whole time but now I have to beg for a script of something . . .of anything. Prednisone even worked at one time from yet another doctor that went running for his life.

But anyway. . . now I'm done and it's just sad. I mean I am better than I was this summer but I don't know if I am going to make it. I will give it another three years I guess.

 

[Painful One]

Gave me 21 strips of 8 mg 2 mg suboxone.
said I could take them for life if I needed to.
Is there a way to possibly get off Morphine by using these?
I don’t know how long I will take them.
I have chronic pain. I am opioid dependent, after using 90 mg a day of morphine for 16 years.

I don’t know what the choices are? If there are any?
please advise,

Thank you!

 

[Painful One]

I go back to the doctor next week so she can see how I am doing.
She told me this is going to be a change.
At least she is watching me and I know this doctor cares about me.
She helped me at my last doctor office.
He retired after getting dementia.
She has a nice new office.
I don’t have to go to “the hood” to get my prescriptions anymore.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Gave me 21 strips of 8 mg 2 mg suboxone.
said I could take them for life if I needed to.
Is there a way to possibly get off Morphine by using these?
I don’t know how long I will take them.
I have chronic pain. I am opioid dependent, after using 90 mg a day of morphine for 16 years.

I don’t know what the choices are? If there are any?
please advise,

Thank you!

So 21 strips will only last you 7 days if you use 3 a day right?

Yep, most people stay on them for life as they are either on ORT, taking for pain, or just can't get off of them ( WD is long and drawn out unlike IR opiods )

Your only choice is to keep looking for an MD that will script you a full agonist. The subs might work for you if you can stabilize and get down to between 2-4 mgs per day. That's just a half strip per day but you aren't there yet.

Oh, and there are poppy pods for people that got denied meds and are in bad pain.

 

[Painful One]

Oh and back to the medical situ topic. I have no prednisone I will have to go back and beg for it or something. The doctor said he can give me prednisone but I didn't get any yet.

I needed help.

People would see me crying myself on the porch or on the couch last summer and ask me if they wanted them to call an ambulance. I would beg them not to because the hospital can't do anything.

I finally got a doctor that is helping me but he doesn't know wtf to say about pain management anymore. It must be a stressful job handling pain patients but my private doctor now seems too nervous to write a script. They did yank my other doctors licence though and he had a big family and a kid in college. So he just left to start all over.

I mean they are gone and just leave. My doctor has been here 25 years and is just doing what he can . . . and he can't be pain management because there seems to be no such thing anymore. Lool. That was stupid. And sad. And BROKEN.

I have insurance. Maybe that's the problem. They don't want to pay.

I had good medical insurance that I have had forever and it had helped me the whole time but now I have to beg for a script of something . . .of anything. Prednisone even worked at one time from yet another doctor that went running for his life.

But anyway. . . now I'm done and it's just sad. I mean I am better than I was this summer but I don't know if I am going to make it. I will give it another three years I guess.

I tried the prednisone and it gave me “Roid Rage”. OMG! I was off the hook freaking out.
I kept screaming at my family and saying sorry, sorry, I can’t control it.
But, it did get me moving again, from being paralyzed in my arm and neck.

Don‘t give up sweetheart!
There is a WAY!
By God, WE WILL MAKE A WAY!
I am going to become a doctor just to spite them.

 

[Painful One]

So 21 strips will only last you 7 days if you use 3 a day right?

Yep, most people stay on them for life as they are either on ORT, taking for pain, or just can't get off of them ( WD is long and drawn out unlike IR opiods )

Your only choice is to keep looking for an MD that will script you a full agonist. The subs might work for you if you can stabilize and get down to between 2-4 mgs per day. That's just a half strip per day but you aren't there yet.

Oh, and there are poppy pods for people that got denied meds and are in bad pain.

Can you give me another hint about the pods?

I am going to try and use as little of them as possible but, it may be that I require the 3 a day.
Fuck! This is worse than getting off morphine isn’t it?

Trying to find a doctor was just a weird experience. Scams all over the place.
The ones who I got through to just said NO! As soon as they asked what medications are you taking.
I even have the insurance company working on it! They cannot find anyone.
The insurance company I have knows me and works hard for me because I used to be an insurance broker and in the legislature and my boss and I sold the most insurance every year for 12 years.
Then I got hit on freeway from behind at 80 mph.

I just took another one. wow. These things make you sweat and get really hot for a few.
is that normal?