Venting Incels

[Eligiu]

Should I report all the posts here that are rude and disrespectful and downright discriminatory?
I am personally highly offended by some of the language used in this thread.
Rather than facts or statistics, I don't see much here beyond baseless slander and attacks without understand. Twitter level drivel discourse.

I didn't see anything rude and discriminatory. People have just been describing incels. Men who want sex but can't get it, and the truth is usually it is because of their terrible personalities which they make no effort to address, while they live in a victim mentality and frame the world as if they have somehow been done over by everyone else. They even talk about things like 'mewing' which is supposedly some position some men hold their lower jaw in which makes them unappealing to women, and how to fix it.

I mean, I am not an incel and I'm trans, and statistically speaking many people do not want to have sex with me, however my personality seems to be viewed as not unappealing enough (despite what some people here may think but they aren't the ones fucking me nor do I want to fuck them) for people to decline me upon meeting me and most people I hook up with willingly give me their contact details so we can move off grindr and keep in touch other ways and meet up again. Or off other apps.

I've had like, 6 girlfriends in the past, countless partners, and I find it no issue to organise a hook up.

If incels are doing worse than trans people, should I use the mindset some people seem to have that we are allegedly completely unfuckable, then there is clearly a factor at play here which unites them in unpleasantness.

And having met incels, and read blog posts and having looked at incel forums and whatnot, I can report that yes, they tend to share a distinctly distasteful set of personality traits.

Even really ugly people I've met have ended up happily married, because they're likeable people.

If being an incel bothers someone so much (not saying you do identify as one, but your desire to report all of the comments in the thread describing incels seems to indicate that you do), then I would suggest on working on the things that people find universally a turn off before throwing out statements that social commentary upon incels warrants being reported.

Incels don't fall into any protected groups in the forum rules, because it isn't a trait or set of traits inherent to a person's being or person like race, sexuality, gender identity, disability, and sex. It's simply a collection of like-minded individuals who share the same extraordinarily negative opinions about women and why no one wants to fuck them while simultaneously being completely unwilling to do any kind of positive work on these traits society finds unappealing.

There's a difference between being attacked for something a person cannot change, and something that they can, but choose not to, because it's far easier for them to blame society, women, other men, and anyone else in the world than be willing to admit that perhaps if they looked in the mirror at the vibes they are putting out and made some adjustments that they would no longer have the same issues.

 

[w01fg4ng]

Are there newly widowed people here that can provide advice on how to move on and get some action again?

 

[hylite]

mine's live and kickin. still.

 

[w01fg4ng]

Let's rub it in their face!

 

[AbbeyLee]

 

[AbbeyLee]

Ok so I found an article relevant to my oxymoron issue. Seems I was a bit late to the party and a bit naíve. I never even considered the misuse of those words might be intentional..


Although an intentionally manipulative phrasing, “involuntarily celibate,” doesn’t fool most people about the underlying sexual entitlement of the term — but a minute few still have trouble grappling with the implications. One can easily fall for the sympathy trap. “They [incels] didn’t choose this life of rejection — I feel bad, they deserve love too!” It’s important to clarify the misconceptions of the term and understand the real assertions that come of it: “incel” inherently means anti-consent. In this way we can shut down any entertained sympathy for the incel in future discussions.

“Involuntarily celibate” is an oxymoron which pushes the backward idea that a person must “consent” to a sexless life.​

While a person can have negative feelings about their lack of a sex life, it doesn’t change the fact that everyone who is not actively having sex right now is, in a way, celibate. The difference is most people aren’t thinking obsessively about not having sex in the same manner as a self-identified incel. The base standard is that it’s normal to not be having sex right this moment. When the lack of sex isn’t consciously thought about every passing second, a person is not “willing” celibacy of their own volition, nor are they “unwilling” it.

You’re not born having sex. You don’t have to be willing, or unwilling, as this is how life begins and is the general status quo. Having sex is the activity that people need to be willing for and also have consent for — not the time that goes by without it.
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Why the Term “Incel” Inherently Means Anti Sexual Consent

And Why We Should Responsibly Highlight This

plus-consent.medium.com

 

[AbbeyLee]

 

[Keeloverandfly]

my personality seems to be viewed as not unappealing enough … for people to decline me upon meeting me.

Nice.

 

[Painful One]

Thanks for pointing out the oxymoronic nature of “involuntary celibacy.” I had never thought about it before.

For me incels and pick up artists are in the same bag: Men who for some reason can’t figure out that women are human, that they want to be listened to, admired inside and out, and loved. Both these groups seem to see women as objects that they deserve to have; one group takes them by ruse while the other pouts in the corner. They should however treat women as people whose reciprocal love needs to be earned. How do you “earn” love? You do activities that build character so you are an interesting person. You take care of yourself physically. You listen when others talk to you. You work out your mental health issues the best you can instead of burdening others. You learn to be tidy, how to cook and clean, how to be organized.

The “women don’t like nice guys” bit is a load of shit. I know plenty of very nice guys who are wildly successful with women, and I don’t know any woman who is chasing after assholes. The women I know just want a man who is on top of his mental health, does his share of the chores, makes them laugh and doesn’t look too slovenly in public.

Well said!
Hear, Hear!
The secret to success with woman and really any other person.

WOAH! Man is a gift from God.
Should be cherished and protected at all costs.
Not abused.

Women are attracted to men who can offer protection of them.
In return they are The Root of The Family. Hold everyone together with bonds of Love and Mutual respect.
Having a Mother for The Children and Homemaker is of the utmost importance for successful life and the success of bloodlines being carried on.
And let us not forget, they make men feel ALIVE!

Having the attitude that women are objects to be used is a warped, upside down, and ignorant to all things attitude.

 

[December Flower]

This must be the most fucked up thread you have made.
Lemme shame people that were already shamed by society and given such a fucked up name,
and shame them even more for retaliating after being given such a fucked up name.

males are treated so shitty by our society, srsly shame for shaming these poor fucks

 

[Painful One]

You are right,but u have a monogamy in nature also-an examples-the storks....and may be in some other species exist too.You have the same couple migrating&nesting in exactly the same place&nest....till the death of one....u can see homosexual attitude in animals too.Including dogs.....well they have not real sexual intercourse(the male ones),but they often climb upon each other.As to term involuntary celibacy.....i don't know what it is.From u heard the first time about such thing.

The example you give in animals is not homosexuality.
it is MALE DOMINANCE to other males who are similar in nature.
Humble them down.

 

[Painful One]

This must be the most fucked up thread you have made.
Lemme shame people that were already shamed by society and given such a fucked up name,
and shame them even more for retaliating after being given such a fucked up name.

males are treated so shitty by our society, srsly shame for shaming these poor fucks

What are you going to do?
Cry about it or RISE to the occasion?

 

[Painful One]

Women such as myself have to worry about sexually frustrated murdering packs now?
How is that fair?

 

[arrall]

Lemme shame people that were already shamed by society

Yes, generally shaming those who see other people as objects and commit mass murders is a good thing.

and given such a fucked up name

The name that they choose to identify with...?

and shame them even more for retaliating after being given such a fucked up name.

So you think that somebody committing mass murder is justified because of the term that people may call them?

males are treated so shitty by our society, srsly shame for shaming these poor fucks

This isn't about males. This is about Incels.
Who aren't even necessarily male. The inventor of the term was actually a female bisexual incel.

Here is a good video on the topic that both empathizes with incels and discusses the issues around their bigoted self-hating cesspool ideology:

 

[December Flower]

What are you going to do?
Cry about it or RISE to the occasion?

wut? feel bad for them of course. at least that's what i thought but apparently they're not just lonely men being shamed by society, apparently some organized crime syndicate

Women such as myself have to worry about sexually frustrated murdering packs now?
How is that fair?

Yes, generally shaming those who see other people as objects and commit mass murders is a good thing.

The name that they choose to identify with...?

So you think that somebody committing mass murder is justified because of the term that people may call them?


This isn't about males. This is about Incels.
Who aren't even necessarily male. The inventor of the term was actually a female bisexual incel.

Here is a good video on the topic that both empathizes with incels and discusses the issues around their bigoted self-hating cesspool ideology:

I have no idea what murder you are speaking about?
And I didn't think anyone would give that name to themselves.

So it's not lonely single men, it's some sort of organized group?

or what's the point of this? fucking english, I hate this fucking language,
it's so fucking wishy-washy

 

[hylite]

I agree with this one.

I'd take it a step further and say that everyone is an incel at some point in their life and it's important to understand ourselves as human prior to criticizing others' lifestyles.

You're so honest !!! That's Sweet. Okay Bye !!

 

[arrall]

I have no idea what murder you are speaking about?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel#Mass_murders_and_violence

And I didn't think anyone would give that name to themselves.

So it's not lonely single men, it's some sort of organized group?

It is an ideology that people subscribe to in which they blame their inability to get laid on their bone structure or the people who don't want to have sex with them rather than their godawful personalities.
Just watch the damn video if you want to learn more.

Here are just a few of the dozens of incel mass murders that have occurred over the past decade or so:

 

[Pickledlemons]

A lot of guys aren't as nice as they think they are... they all think they are nice... so the ones that do get rejected will always say that.
At the same time, it does seem like a lot (but not all) woman are attracted to bad boys or people who are just overall harmful to their mental health. Which can be perplexing to say the least. Though I suppose guys can be this way too...

 

[Painful One]

wut? feel bad for them of course. at least that's what i thought but apparently they're not just lonely men being shamed by society, apparently some organized crime syndicate


I have no idea what murder you are speaking about?
And I didn't think anyone would give that name to themselves.

So it's not lonely single men, it's some sort of organized group?

or what's the point of this? fucking english, I hate this fucking language,
it's so fucking wishy-washy

Yes, there are groups of them organizing that go around murdering just random women.
No one whom did anything to them.

I am trying to show you the other perspective.

This life is tough.
It is survival of the fittest.
I didn’t make the rules here.
Do not get all irritated with me.

 

[December Flower]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel#Mass_murders_and_violence


It is an ideology that people subscribe to in which they blame their inability to get laid on their bone structure or the people who don't want to have sex with them rather than their godawful personalities.
Just watch the damn video if you want to learn more.

Here are just a few of the dozens of incel mass murders that have occurred over the past decade or so:

aha this data is fake. (misrepresented at least)

2020 in Hanau Germany was a racist who killed only Ausländer.
Also all his victims were male.
This seems to be an US issue.

Or does it count towards "incel" automatically, if some single dude kills people?

Yes, there are groups of them organizing that go around murdering just random women.
No one whom did anything to them.

I am trying to show you the other perspective.

This life is tough.
It is survival of the fittest.
I didn’t make the rules here.
Do not get all irritated with me.

I call bullshit or US-specific problem.