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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy MET Thread

True enough, I shouldn't make sweeping pronouncements in an alcoholic haze- in fact I enjoy a light dusting of 5meoDMT insufflated, but only oh so oh so little. Insufflate too much accidentally and wind up in a state of akathisia, your tongue popping in and out of your head like a cuckoo clock, hoping to hell it's going to stop. Possibly. :rolleyes:

I guess I find it weird when I read experience reports on erowid for example, and in some instances nearly everyone is snorting chemicals that are more effective and a better experience via other ROAs. In the case of MET for example, 50mg is a lot of powder to insufflate and nasal irritation just to wind up ingesting LESS of the compound than if one smoked it. From snorting to smoking to shooting, each ROA provides a more effective delivery than the previous.

But I totally get wanting to try a particular compound via a variety of ROAs in order to assess it thoroughly. It's the folks who choose the worst ROA possible and then write off the compound as unsatisfactory in their review who drive me crazy. That's not necessarily a Bluelight issue, just thoughts I'd been mulling recently.
 
daveydudely said:
True enough, I shouldn't make sweeping pronouncements in an alcoholic haze- in fact I enjoy a light dusting of 5meoDMT insufflated, but only oh so oh so little. Insufflate too much accidentally and wind up in a state of akathisia, your tongue popping in and out of your head like a cuckoo clock, hoping to hell it's going to stop. Possibly. :rolleyes:

I guess I find it weird when I read experience reports on erowid for example, and in some instances nearly everyone is snorting chemicals that are more effective and a better experience via other ROAs. In the case of MET for example, 50mg is a lot of powder to insufflate and nasal irritation just to wind up ingesting LESS of the compound than if one smoked it. From snorting to smoking to shooting, each ROA provides a more effective delivery than the previous.

But I totally get wanting to try a particular compound via a variety of ROAs in order to assess it thoroughly. It's the folks who choose the worst ROA possible and then write off the compound as unsatisfactory in their review who drive me crazy. That's not necessarily a Bluelight issue, just thoughts I'd been mulling recently.
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I do like your take on the whole nuance of when and why various ROI's are preferable over others given context. I'm guilty of posting while high and sometimes I read what I wrote and have to put my tail between my legs and apologize, or edit, or both sometimes haha. We're pretty much all open minded friends here on BL. Collaboration and open discussion is what makes this platform so attractive. Also, the types that frequent these Quasi underground forums is much more intellectual by and large than the traffic typically found on reddit. So for that, I appreciate your assessment whilst in the throws of an alcoholic haze. It's nice to just toss it up and see what comes back in the Bluelight Ethos. All positive vibes, playful judgment jabs at times, but generally agreeable and productive dialogue.

Anyway, to add my 5 mg up the schnoz experiment. It was definitely attempting to shift my state to a more ethereal realm. But the low dose and the grossness of the chem in my sinuses made me just stop there and re-plan my next psych use, appreciating the very subtle mood lift and slight energy increase, but no change in the + range to be reported (half a + maybe). Thought about going for another 10 - 15, but the rust like smell and the very prevalent after taste / sensation made me think that boofing at 10 - 20 mg would be a good next step. I'd pondered injecting trypts, but the only reasonable candidates would be 4-ACO-DMT, and my other fav, 4-ACO-MET at low doses. Anyway, my hedonistic junkey brain needs to just calm down and try boofing the 15 of MET fumarate first after a period of abstinence and see how things go from there. I won't expect much, but boofing is literally the next most effective way for pharmacological entities to pass into the blood stream bypassing first hepatic metabolism, since the colin is designed to reabsorb excess water from the... digested material which is moved into the area for just that reason. Re-absorption of water and nutrients which have been altered by the bacteria in the large intestine. This is the 2nd most effective ROA next to IV injection, from my first hand morphine slamming / plugging days. Plugging was almost exactly as potent, with a slightly (10 min longer) come up. I feel like this could be extrapolated to any other water soluble compound should it make it's way into your inquisitive psychonaut butthole. Hell, I may even try some particular amino acids ala boof some day. For science maybe? Was also planning injecting Acetyl-L-Carnitine as a way to upregulate androgen receptor density amongst a host of other positive physiological effects. It's an amino, so I'd say it should be pretty safe. So many experiments, so little time.
 
Just had my first go with MET (fumarate) a few days ago and to start off I think it's a fantastic chemical. I didnt weigh my dose I rather just treated it like DMT, and threw approx 40mg on a base of weed, covered with ash a dash of met and then again covered with ash.

I got an ember slowly going and took in two deep tokes. Immediately a dmt like tryptamine feel began to take hold and I was filled with a sense of trippy joy and euphoria. It wasnt very visual, but I suspect at higher doses it will become a bit more so. Instinct tells me that hitting MET and than dmt a few minutes in would lead to a very visually rich place.

In this instance I was happy with just the MET and I allowed myself to be swallowed by its embrace. My experience lasted easily an hour with maybe 2 hours of gradually declining trippiness.

I look forward to trying more in a less improv setting.

A day later some ketamine fell on my lap, which I indulged in at a heavy dose and I hit the original pipe for any remaining residue, I crawled into bed and just melted happy.
 
Xorkoth said:
Nice, MET has always sounded lovely. Was there any mental depth?
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I suspect that you would quite like MET, Xorkoth. I think it is really in the goldilocks zone of richness, emotionality, depth, pleasure, warmth, eroticism, and healing. I rarely take it because I have so little. It's one of the few that I really wish I had a lifetime supply of laying around, but sadly that's not the case.
 
Pfafffed said:
I suspect that you would quite like MET, Xorkoth. I think it is really in the goldilocks zone of richness, emotionality, depth, pleasure, warmth, eroticism, and healing. I rarely take it because I have so little. It's one of the few that I really wish I had a lifetime supply of laying around, but sadly that's not the case.
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You're very right I forgot to mention the enhanced eroticism, I def think it would be a great tool for intimacy
 
So a few weeks have passed and I've gotten to know MET much better. My 1st experience was by far the most intriguing, possibly because it was novel.

I can now say that MET is more DET like than DMT like. I have taken it up to approx 100mg (smoked/vaped) and even at that level there are minimal OEVs. It can get pretty active CEVs but still not comparable to DMT, DPT, psilos, 4-ho-met.. It's very relaxing and warm to me and everyone I've shared it with. One friend, who was actively on mushrooms at the time actually fell "asleep" mid trip.

I would very much like to combo it with DMT at some point combining the peaks. The MET hits pretty strong initially and gradually gets stronger until the 15-20 minute mark, where it than slowly recedes. Main effects are almost always gone by 1 hr, and then I am left with about another hour of residuals.

I've also tried DPT which is way trippier, uncomfortable, and fast paced. I find MET to be one of most gentle psychedelics in existence. It's very very nice, but if you're expecting to be transported to a different dimension or even a strong CEV journey you may be dissapointed
 
Didgital said:
So a few weeks have passed and I've gotten to know MET much better. My 1st experience was by far the most intriguing, possibly because it was novel.

I can now say that MET is more DET like than DMT like. I have taken it up to approx 100mg (smoked/vaped) and even at that level there are minimal OEVs. It can get pretty active CEVs but still not comparable to DMT, DPT, psilos, 4-ho-met.. It's very relaxing and warm to me and everyone I've shared it with. One friend, who was actively on mushrooms at the time actually fell "asleep" mid trip.

I would very much like to combo it with DMT at some point combining the peaks. The MET hits pretty strong initially and gradually gets stronger until the 15-20 minute mark, where it than slowly recedes. Main effects are almost always gone by 1 hr, and then I am left with about another hour of residuals.

I've also tried DPT which is way trippier, uncomfortable, and fast paced. I find MET to be one of most gentle psychedelics in existence. It's very very nice, but if you're expecting to be transported to a different dimension or even a strong CEV journey you may be dissapointed
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I'am glad if you enjoyed. I would like to ask some question if you are experienced with it. Did you use fumarate or HCL? Not really clear for me which is the better and why. I'm just got a few days ago 0,5 fumurate which is brown dusty type nuggets. Can I smoke this? A little bit affraid to try because I was read about the inpurity a lot in this thread. Not so much information on other sites. Your MET how is it looks?
 
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Joedelysid said:
I'am glad if you enjoyed. I would like to ask some question if you are experienced with it. Did you use fumarate or HCL? Not really clear for me which is the better and why. I'm just got a few days ago 0,5 fumurate which is brown dusty type nuggets. Can I smoke this? A little bit affraid to try because I was read about the inpurity a lot in this thread. Not so much information on other sites. Your MET how is it looks?
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My MET is the fumarate salt and is a light tan powder with small clumps. I cant speak for your material but mine smoked quite easily
 
I don't mean to double post as I just made a post about this last week.
But I was able easily convert MET Fumarate to a freebase oil using sodium hydroxide basified water and then a mixture of xylene and toluene(possibly just xylene or toluene would work alone) to capture the basiified MET.
This was then evaporated down and then collected and pit into a pressure vac (like for making thc shatter) for about 5 hours to.remove any resididual solvent.
The basified end product was EXTREMELY visual for me which caught me off guard....now I used this same method to convert some DPT hcl to freebase which worked amazingly well and had vaped sone basified DPT oil on a "ceramic flavor disc" in a bong with no water a few days before so it's possible that there was some residual DPT in the ceramic flavor disc.
I will report back when I try it in a fresh ceramic disc but it's possible that it's much more active as a freebase when vaped vs the fumarate.
Also, my batch of MET was very very old which I got for free from a now defunct RC company and was completely red in appearance and made a red oil freebase.
It was very neat when I added the solvent and saw all the red move from the basified water to the solvent....the basified water was nearly clear after it migrated to the to the xylene/toluene.
 
Ballz_Trippington said:
I don't mean to double post as I just made a post about this last week.
But I was able easily convert MET Fumarate to a freebase oil using sodium hydroxide basified water and then a mixture of xylene and toluene(possibly just xylene or toluene would work alone) to capture the basiified MET.
This was then evaporated down and then collected and pit into a pressure vac (like for making thc shatter) for about 5 hours to.remove any resididual solvent.
The basified end product was EXTREMELY visual for me which caught me off guard....now I used this same method to convert some DPT hcl to freebase which worked amazingly well and had vaped sone basified DPT oil on a "ceramic flavor disc" in a bong with no water a few days before so it's possible that there was some residual DPT in the ceramic flavor disc.
I will report back when I try it in a fresh ceramic disc but it's possible that it's much more active as a freebase when vaped vs the fumarate.
Also, my batch of MET was very very old which I got for free from a now defunct RC company and was completely red in appearance and made a red oil freebase.
It was very neat when I added the solvent and saw all the red move from the basified water to the solvent....the basified water was nearly clear after it migrated to the to the xylene/toluene.
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Very very interesting. I havent found the fumarate to be very visual (mostly peripheral with color enhancement), and I've taken it to approx 100mg. so maybe I will give this a try.

I dont find dpt to be particularly visual (OEV at least) but I do find it more visual than MET so I wonder if any residue may have colored the experience.

Also it's a "vacuum oven" I think you meant to say.

My biggest worry would be that toluene has a pretty high boiling point and difficult to remove at temps that wouldnt hurt the tryptamine. It is a bit surprising regarding your discovery of low solubility of tryptamines in naptha tho.
 
Didgital said:
Very very interesting. I havent found the fumarate to be very visual (mostly peripheral with color enhancement), and I've taken it to approx 100mg. so maybe I will give this a try.

I dont find dpt to be particularly visual (OEV at least) but I do find it more visual than MET so I wonder if any residue may have colored the experience.

Also it's a "vacuum oven" I think you meant to say.

My biggest worry would be that toluene has a pretty high boiling point and difficult to remove at temps that wouldnt hurt the tryptamine. It is a bit surprising regarding your discovery of low solubility of tryptamines in naptha tho.
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Yes it was a vacuum pressure oven I'm not sure but I set it to 125 degrees but I'm not sure if that was Fahrenheit or Celsius...it's whst the guy at the grow store told me he set his too for making shatter when I bought the unit back in the day and of course it let it go to maximum pressure.
It bubbled at first and I.let it go while I was sleeping and check it when I woke up and it was no longer bubbling which is how I used to make dabs when I grew weed for my old medical grow.
So far only DMT is suitable for extraction with naphtha...everything from DPT to most 4 subbed trips have very poor solubility in naphtha....this is why I've been experimenting with a mixture of xylene and toluene at 50/50 ratio just to be sure I'm.getting the based synthetic tryptamines. I'm not sure if just xylene or just toluene work as effectively.
 
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Ballz_Trippington said:
Yes it was a vacuum pressure oven I'm not sure but I set it to 125 degrees but I'm not sure if that was Fahrenheit or Celsius...it's whst the guy at the grow store told me he set his too for making shatter when I bought the unit back in the day and of course it let it go to maximum pressure.
It bubbled at first and I.let it go while I was sleeping and check it when I woke up and it was no longer bubbling which is how I used to make dabs when I grew weed for my old medical grow.
So far only DMT is suitable for extraction with naphtha...everything from DPT to most 4 subbed trips have very poor solubility in naphtha....this is why I've been experimenting with a mixture of xylene and toluene at 50/50 ratio just to be sure I'm.getting the based synthetic tryptamines. I'm not sure if just xylene or just toluene work as effectively.
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They should behave very similarly. If toluene works by itself that's what I'd opt for because xylene has a much higher boiling point at 138c compared to toluene 110c. Toluene is much easier to strip
 
Ballz_Trippington said:
The basified end product was EXTREMELY visual for me which caught me off guard....now I used this same method to convert some DPT hcl to freebase which worked amazingly well and had vaped sone basified DPT oil on a "ceramic flavor disc" in a bong with no water a few days before so it's possible that there was some residual DPT in the ceramic flavor disc.
I will report back when I try it in a fresh ceramic disc but it's possible that it's much more active as a freebase when vaped vs the fumarate.
Also, my batch of MET was very very old which I got for free from a now defunct RC company and was completely red in appearance and made a red oil freebase.
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I've had some nearly blindingly open eye visual MET trips and my father has actually broken through on it and lucidly described other worlds behind his eyes for almost an hour after smoking it. This is just from smoking the salt in a bowl of cannabis, too. There's definitely more potential in MET than I think most people appreciate, but maybe it just has a high threshold for piercing that veil for a lot of people.

This is an Erowid report about it that I always liked. The most notable part here:

What followed was one the most intense experiences of my entire life. Dwarfing all of 100+ previous DMT trips.

Obviously these trips are completely indescribable. All I can attest to was the level of intensity, detail, realism and colour was higher than anything I had ever had before. In a vain attempt to actually describe what was happening I would say I was staring into the face of a multi headed, multi bodied, almost robotic like creature with millions of eyes, perpetually changing shape and form yet remaining the same, that took up my entire field of Vision. It was realer and more detailed than anything in real life, and I was completely overcome by it. I was no longer aware of my body or the noise of the rain outside.

I must have said ‘What the fuck!!!?’ Over and over again 100 times throughout the entire experience as what I was seeing was completely unfathomable to me. The intense part probably only lasted around 3 minutes, with a still relatively strong after effect lasting another 10 or 15 minutes, which I spent curled up repeating phrases like ‘what the fuck?’ ‘Jesus Christ’ etc etc. I have never ever ever experienced anything like it. The entire experience was completely overwhelming yet positive. I felt no fear, only awe.
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Looking forward to hearing about your future experiments.
 
I’m just coming down from 120mg (orally) of MET fumerate.

In my experience 120mg was not enough to produce intense results.

The headspace was minimal, but that was expected.

Visually there was very little going on, (no CEV) but one thing was peculiar, and I haven’t noticed this on other psychedelics.

Everything was slowly breathing, but then suddenly everything just completely stopped breathing for a fraction of a second, then continued. This kept happening many times in a minute. Like tiny fragments of the visual experience were cut out and replaced by a sober reality. Definitely new to me, and I’ve been tripping, off and on, for 25 years.

Frames on the wall kept shifting angles in a glitchy manner.

Another thing that was unique to these visuals was that I could see a framed painting slowly morphing while everything around it was perfectly still. Again like only the focus point was in the trip, and everything else was not included.

Very strange, I’ve only experienced my whole environment being affected, but this time it seems that the visual distortion was quite specific.

Other than that, there was no musical enhancement, no deep thoughts, but the bodyload was, and still is right now, pretty huge.

Walking around is clumsy.

I definitely need to try a higher dose next time, I’m sure MET has a lot more to offer. The effective dose is just a lot higher than other tryptamines. So 120mg is in reality, not much what MET is concerned.

In comparison, only 16mg of 4-HO-MET was a full trip for me, so it’s not that I’m hardheaded.

It was my first experience with this molecule, so I haven’t tried any other ROA’s.
 
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I've had some nearly blindingly open eye visual MET trips and my father has actually broken through on it and lucidly described other worlds behind his eyes for almost an hour after smoking it.
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I have smoked 100mg (sandwiches between cannabis) very carefully, and it never ever gets open eye visual beyond the peripherals. Amazing body high and great positive euphoric trippy headspace, but no matter how hard I try, I dont know if there is a breakthrough point for me.
 
Didgital said:
I have smoked 100mg (sandwiches between cannabis) very carefully, and it never ever gets open eye visual beyond the peripherals. Amazing body high and great positive euphoric trippy headspace, but no matter how hard I try, I dont know if there is a breakthrough point for me.
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Yeah, I've known enough people who used base tryptamines now to know that the sensitivity to them varies widely, and that I'm not the only one who's come to that conclusion. I know other people who also get practically nothing that would really be considered psychedelic beyond a high from most of them, even when pushing to really high dosages. I personally get hallucinogenic effects very easily from every one of them that I've tried, which is a lot of them (DMT, MET, MPT, MiPT, MALT, EPT, DPT, DiPT, DALT). They're some of my favorite drugs because of it, among other reasons. MET's not my favorite for its hallucinations though, the thing I like best about it is the fact that it works as a good rapid-acting antidepressant for me. It reminds me of 4-HO-MET in that the visuals are very vivid for me but to some extent they feel like eye candy without as much depth as other types of visuals.

I also get unusual reactions to DMT though where I don't get as much out of it as other people tend to say and I actually really dislike the way it makes me feel most of the time, whereas I really like most synthetic base tryptamines. They tend to feel great to me and give me visionary effects very easily which makes them hard to not love. I wish some people could experience what I do from them but everyone's got their thing, I need dosages of 4-substituted tryptamines that Erowid would call very high or much higher than that and still tend not to have experiences as crazy as some people that make me jealous.
 
Yep, it's all super weird. I doubt that it's a metabolic enzyme thing because high vaporized doses don't get me where I feel they should despite bypassing 1st pass metabolism. Nonetheless, I still feel like I should test out taking a RIMA before N,N-MET sometime. I'm guessing it's probably something else, maybe a receptor morphology thing.
 
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