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Positive The Tapering Support Thread v 2.0

hylite said:
The pain always finds a way to come back though.
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I think you’re experiencing the same thing I was. Pain everywhere. Indescribable. Skin, bones, teeth, toenails..... just everything.

The Dr’s say that it can’t last for more than a few days. Then they say it must be something other than opiate wd so they give us more opiates for the pain. The pills actually stop the pain, so we believe them to be our salvation. Then we get really depressed thinking that life shouldn’t suck this much.

Arthritis is real and it can effect every joint in your body, even your spine and neck. It can be very painful and make it impossible to sleep. After a couple of weeks of abstinence,when the pain hasn’t gone away, the Dr starts assuming that it’s arthritis or fibromyalgia because he has been told that opiate wd is gone in a week. And after a month of suffering, we are thrilled to get a diagnosis of something like arthritis because it means treatment and relief (in the form of pills).

What nobody is acknowledging is that the opiates have many levels of wds. And if it’s Norco or Percocet, we are probably also having wd’s from the acetaminophen. After years of daily opiate use, our nervous system has made itself much more sensitive to counteract the numbing of the opiates. And that’s the WHOLE nervous system, all the way down to every little hair follicle. Quitting after a few months of use means diarrhea and insomnia for a week. Quitting after years and years means undoing all of the changes that the medications have made to the body and mind.

It totally sucks because healing is so slow that you barely remember how bad it was. It’s so slow that your brain can’t even make the connection between stopping the pills and the pain going away. All it sees is that the pills make it stop.

After several weeks of abstinence I was convinced that I was going to spend the rest of my life in pain, and that I was blessed to have my little blue pills. I’m talking about pain everywhere. I assumed it was how I was sleeping, and because of my spine surgeries I really couldn’t change my sleep position. My only blessing was that I had only lower back surgeries, so any pain above my waist had to be wds.
 
If opiate withdrawal syndrome was over in a few days like they say, it wouldn't be a problem to complete and stick to. Surely doctors have noticed by now, it's not that simple?
I think the worst part is not being able to sleep so there is no escape from the torment as the seconds tick by into minutes, into hours, into days, but if I take a benzo to sleep I generally relapse there and then.
I'm doing a lot of soul searching, wondering what I am and what I ought to be and can I live my best life with a daily intake of opiates?
 
papercuts said:
If opiate withdrawal syndrome was over in a few days like they say, it wouldn't be a problem to complete and stick to. Surely doctors have noticed by now, it's not that simple?
I think the worst part is not being able to sleep so there is no escape from the torment as the seconds tick by into minutes, into hours, into days, but if I take a benzo to sleep I generally relapse there and then.
I'm doing a lot of soul searching, wondering what I am and what I ought to be and can I live my best life with a daily intake of opiates?
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Doctors don’t know anything about this or the good ones wouldn’t keep writing these prescriptions.

I recently discovered magnesium for sleep. It knocks me out and I sleep for a few hours .
 
Squeaky said:
Doctors don’t know anything about this or the good ones wouldn’t keep writing these prescriptions.

I recently discovered magnesium for sleep. It knocks me out and I sleep for a few hours .
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how much magnesium to knock you out? too much gives me the runs! I just bought valerian root to try.
 
really nothing works better than canna-edibles for sleep. get it right and it's the best night's sleep, too much and it has the opposite effect, so a bit unpredictable.
 
Squeaky said:
I have had both Pregablin and Gabapentin. Pregablin 3 big brother. And pregablin gave me really shaky hands too (although I was using it with alcohol and Kratom). Mostly the next morning. Alcohol hangover + Pregablin hangover + Kratom + Coffee = shaking like a leaf.
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How do the two compare? I've only had gabapentin, I'm a little scared of pregabs because of the bad withdrawals I hear about, gabapentin is ok to stop with a quick taper, then an occassional 100 if I feel I need it, I won't run out and that is the usual problem I guess.
 
papercuts said:
How do the two compare? I've only had gabapentin, I'm a little scared of pregabs because of the bad withdrawals I hear about, gabapentin is ok to stop with a quick taper, then an occassional 100 if I feel I need it, I won't run out and that is the usual problem I guess.
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Tolerance builds unbelievably fast with Pregablin and Gabapentin. But the positive side of it is that tapering can be very fast also.

I have needed to taper off Pregablin after only 3 days of use.
 
n3ophy7e said:
What about melatonin? Have you tried that?
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Haven’t tried melatonin.

My experience has been that all of these things work really well in the beginning. Then it becomes a ritual, and we tell everyone how well it works. After a while it becomes something we need just to be normal.

It’s kind of like the opiates: works awesome in the beginning, then becomes necessary for day to day life, then becomes a monkey on your back that you desperately want to get rid of.

I actually discovered a very simple form of meditation called ‘vipassana’ that works really well for sleep. It’s really just a technique for getting the daily stressful thoughts out of your mind and making it empty. It takes a bit of practice but if you’re tired and you can completely empty your mind, you will fall asleep fast. It also helps me to feel like I slept even when I couldn’t sleep. It doesn’t require music or bells or incense or anything like that, and it won’t keep you asleep like Valium does, but there’s no hangover and it’s free.
 
Squeaky said:
Haven’t tried melatonin.

My experience has been that all of these things work really well in the beginning. Then it becomes a ritual, and we tell everyone how well it works. After a while it becomes something we need just to be normal.

It’s kind of like the opiates: works awesome in the beginning, then becomes necessary for day to day life, then becomes a monkey on your back that you desperately want to get rid of.

I actually discovered a very simple form of meditation called ‘vipassana’ that works really well for sleep. It’s really just a technique for getting the daily stressful thoughts out of your mind and making it empty. It takes a bit of practice but if you’re tired and you can completely empty your mind, you will fall asleep fast. It also helps me to feel like I slept even when I couldn’t sleep. It doesn’t require music or bells or incense or anything like that, and it won’t keep you asleep like Valium does, but there’s no hangover and it’s free.
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The best therapist I've ever had taught me vipassana <3
 
Squeaky said:
2 mg was my first try and I slept for about 3 hours in the middle of the day. I wasn’t even tired.
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We must have different magnesium. I've a bottle of magnesium tablets, they are 375mg each, daily supplement, says it helps with energy levels, reducing tiredness and fatigue.
 
I feel so damn healthy now. Isn't that just the problem?
I cut down and tried stopping altogether a few times in the last few months and my health took a massive hit from the attempts.
Now I've decided I need to rest and recover. I weigh the pods and kratom I take, I'm only dosing in the mornings, I'll slowly reduce the amount, very slowly.
However I feel better than ever after a few weeks of pod tea every day. My weight is slowly gaining, 51.7kg this morning. I can see I look better, the bones and sinue are smoothing out under a normal layer of skin fat that I couldn't manage to hang onto in withdrawal and my blood pressure is back to normal, my stomach doesn't scream in pain when I eat.
I need to consider my health now and my health long term, both are important. So I'll keep doing what I'm doing and I'll be well long term too, I hope, so long as I don't get caught self medicating it's hard to see why I would stop.
Stopping's too difficult both physically and mentally. Opiates help me. Withdrawal is hell. Fricking conundrum there, don't know why I'd give up except to travel safely, but that isn't for my health, that's just to keep the stuffed shirts content that I'm toeing the line. So I chose between being ill or being criminalised if I'm caught making myself well.
Really why does it matter to anyone else how I make myself feel well? I'm pissed off that they see it as a criminal act ffs.
 
papercuts said:
Ty. Maybe I'll try not getting stoned and take 6 magnesium tonight instead. :unsure: Impossible to know this early in the day.
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It will probably give you diarrhoea again though, right?
Plus it's important to note that it's actually not advisable or safe to take that much magnesium.
It's not recommended to take more than 400mg per day, so just take 1 tablet.
 
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