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Opioids Lowest dose, least addictive opioid - most affordable?

nznity said:
I think he's just saying that cause he probably had a bad reaction/didn't like opiates when he tried em. Over the course of the years I've met several people who either LOVE opiates or HATE them. I have friends who puke every time they use opiates and another friend who found the high underwhelming(maybe cause he was a crack addict and expected a more mind-blowing effect from it). The opiate buzz is a very subtle one compared to cocaine, meth or uppers in general.
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My first few tries with opiates were horrible, but I’m no quitter I kept at it til I learned to absolutely “love” them ;)

-GC
 
Would tianeptine be suitable affordable for a few weeks before stopping. Bupe won't hold me.
I am thinking comfort meds to bring to detox with me. Infrequent use. At the worst. Maybe tianeptine and pregabalin once a week each just so I don't go crazy.

I will be coming off benzos as well. As methadone 50mg.

Thinking about having pregabalin or phenibut for when I get out. Just in case I can't hack sobriety. I've come off thisee before. Not as bad as benzos r opioid. And I can function
 
Can I ask why you must be sober? Is it a job related thing?

I always recommend not withdrawing from two substances at once. Sometimes you can't tell which withdrawal is causing what symptoms, and benzo withdrawal can be quite serious/fatal. Quitting two substances also has potentially a crazy high relapse rate I'm sure. Even though opiate withdrawal is devastating, in theory you could just quit and know you'll live or at least not have a seizure. Pregaba will help both the benzo withdrawal and the opiate withdrawal. I highly recommend you get your hands on it. Kratom/tianeptine would work well for the opie replacement. Again, unless you're forced to I don't recommend coming off two classes of substances at the same time.
 
Tryptamite said:
Would tianeptine be suitable affordable for a few weeks before stopping. Bupe won't hold me.
I am thinking comfort meds to bring to detox with me. Infrequent use. At the worst. Maybe tianeptine and pregabalin once a week each just so I don't go crazy.

I will be coming off benzos as well. As methadone 50mg.

Thinking about having pregabalin or phenibut for when I get out. Just in case I can't hack sobriety. I've come off thisee before. Not as bad as benzos r opioid. And I can function
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Tianeptine is a decent choice for an occasional opioid if you can keep it use to occasionally. In the past ive used it as such on optimally a once a week, max two times week. But ive gotten bitten by it a number of times when ive used it too frequently, and gotten moderately addicted to it one time outright (every day for 2 months averaging 1.5g a day at the end, then I quit for a bit, i would say the withdrawal was moderate to moderately severe, ive had much worse but it sucks, though relatively short ~6 days). I dont mess with it much now at all, i sort of got sick of it and the withdrawal/difficulty moderating its use. Im too sensitive to the withdrawal now, but a few years ago i could get away with much more. Also sort of got sick of the edgy high, but i really did enjoy it for a while, tianeptine and i had alot of fun together but im mostly over that bitch, she became too irritating for what she's actually worth.

I would recommend against tianeptine unless you have good self control, otherwise its a good 1x every 7-10 days opioid if you can actually abide by it (i could mostly, at least at first). Sort of.
 
negrogesic said:
Tianeptine is a decent choice for an occasional opioid if you can keep it use to occasionally. In the past ive used it as such on optimally a once a week, max two times week. But ive gotten bitten by it a number of times when ive used it too frequently, and gotten moderately addicted to it one time outright (every day for 2 months averaging 1.5g a day at the end, then I quit for a bit, i would say the withdrawal was moderate to moderately severe, ive had much worse but it sucks, though relatively short ~6 days). I dont mess with it much now at all, i sort of got sick of it and the withdrawal/difficulty moderating its use. Im too sensitive to the withdrawal now, but a few years ago i could get away with much more. Also sort of got sick of the edgy high, but i really did enjoy it for a while, tianeptine and i had alot of fun together but im mostly over that bitch, she became too irritating for what she's actually worth.

I would recommend against tianeptine unless you have good self control, otherwise its a good 1x every 7-10 days opioid if you can actually abide by it (i could mostly, at least at first). Sort of.
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Its this a legal opie often put into fake pills? Or is there something else besides fent commonly the culprit?
 
GetMeOutOfThisCRAP said:
Its this a legal opie often put into fake pills? Or is there something else besides fent commonly the culprit?
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No this is almost never sold as something its not. Its legal in most of the US. Don't fuck with it can be a nightmare though i did enjoy it for a while. It is an antidepressant that acts like an opioid at high doses. Technically speaking you are overdosing on an antidepressant to get high. I hope thats discouraging enough 🤣
 
Tryptamite said:
Bupe won't hold me.
As methadone 50mg.
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I wonder if bupe would hold you at heroic-level doses like 64mg? Have man studies been done on this? Of course you hear there's a ceiling, but we heard a lot about the details of bupe, and it almost all turned out to be a marketing strategy. Claiming a "ceiling" effect is a good way to make it sound safe to prescribe, no?
 
CfZrx said:
I wonder if bupe would hold you at heroic-level doses like 64mg? Have man studies been done on this? Of course you hear there's a ceiling, but we heard a lot about the details of bupe, and it almost all turned out to be a marketing strategy. Claiming a "ceiling" effect is a good way to make it sound safe to prescribe, no?
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I can say with certainty that the ceiling level in bupe is a real thing. Back in my worst days, I've taken around 40mg of suboxone in the hopes of feeling some sort of opiate like buzz only to not feel a damn thing. That 40mg felt exactly like taking 8-12 mg max. I also believe this is the reason that you can get monthly scripts of suboxone and not have to deal with going to a clinic everyday like methadone, as bupe is a lot safer in that regard.
 
1, Tianeptine sodium 12,5 -? (max. recomm. dose is 37,5mg.
2, Kratom
3, Sustained release Tramadol or normal tramadol up to 300 or 400mg daily but i dont advice to go past 150 because wd from this one is quite strong.
4, MAYBE and i say MAYBE Dextromethorphan with cyp3a4 inhibitor. But this one is quite experimental.
 
The weakest opiate is Codeine and the smallest dose is in 8/500 Co-Codamol.
Tramadol is the same strength but the lowest dose pill is 50mg.
 
last time I smoked a spliff after a good heroin sesh
and literaly could not walk straight must of looked like a pisshead I was most worried about getting robbed but luckily was close to a friends house where i slept it off as long as your organised and make sure you don't run out heroin is fine imo
 
Buprenorphine is one of those less is more drugs. Back when I first started using it I began with 8mg which gave me zero high and made feel sick as a dog even with a decent tolerance. 3-5mg was ok but still nauseating.

It wasn’t until one day, sick as a dog off heroin WD trying to get through work, I took less than 1mg sniffed hoping I could get well without getting sick from the sub. Exactly 1hr later I felt the most relaxing wave of relief come over me.

Since then I’ve found low doses on bupe are where it’s at.. May not cover you completely but better than larger doses.

-GC
 
I went from 90 mg methadone to heroine for 5 days to nothing for 3 days then took 8mg subutex and still had mild PWD. 20mg barely held me I didn't bother going higher I leveled out after 2 weeks.

After a while on 16mg when I'd take a break I'd wake up and drink 30mg methadone instead of taking sub. I'd travel 2 hours score h and rock. And even with bupes long half life my tolerance was lowered a lot. I could goof from gear and got itchy for ages. My tolerance would be lower the next day as the blocking effect faded with the bupe from my system.

Felt a little off after going back on subs for 2 r 3 days.
 
Not easy to come across where I am but I'll obtain a few 8mg subs and take a few 2mg doses after I finish my methadone puke warm taper
 
I'm so shocked at how subs/methadone work so differently for people in recovery. Some get ripped off of 1 mg of subs and drool while nodding out, while others take like 24 mgs and feel totally sober/still sick lmao.

Methadone is stronger but it's the same thing. Some people would die on heroic doses while others would catch a buzz. They still haven't found a great treatment development but subs/methadone are pretty good i'll say.
 
Methadone dosing is somewhat unpredictable, ive taken nearly a gram in a single dose and was fine (though it knocked me out cold for a some time), while ive heard of fatal overdoses occuring from as little as 90mg in those with tolerances to other opioids (but not methadone). This why no one is ever started at say 60mg, they are started lower (i think i started at 40mg). The toxicity can be also cumulative as the methadone builds in the system.
 
negrogesic said:
Methadone dosing is somewhat unpredictable, ive taken nearly a gram in a single dose and was fine (though it knocked me out cold for a some time), while ive heard of fatal overdoses occuring from as little as 90mg in those with tolerances to other opioids (but not methadone). This why no one is ever started at say 60mg, they are started lower (i think i started at 40mg). The toxicity can be also cumulative as the methadone builds in the system.
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Would you say it's only helpful for people withdrawing from heroin or something ultra strong like seed tea? Or is it too powerful for some who is only a painkiller addict

I know methadone has helped save lives probably as much as its destroyed them. People say it wallops them and is incredibly heavy
 
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G_Chem said:
Buprenorphine is one of those less is more drugs. Back when I first started using it I began with 8mg which gave me zero high and made feel sick as a dog even with a decent tolerance. 3-5mg was ok but still nauseating.

It wasn’t until one day, sick as a dog off heroin WD trying to get through work, I took less than 1mg sniffed hoping I could get well without getting sick from the sub. Exactly 1hr later I felt the most relaxing wave of relief come over me.

Since then I’ve found low doses on bupe are where it’s at.. May not cover you completely but better than larger doses.

-GC
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I no wot u mean
 
GetMeOutOfThisCRAP said:
Would you say it's only helpful for people withdrawing from heroin or something ultra strong like seed tea? Or is it too powerful for some who is only a painkiller addict

I know methadone has helped save lives probably as much as its destroyed them. People say it wallops them and is incredibly heavy
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The thing with meth is it gives you your whole days fix so you ain't gotta worry about scoring or getting sick giving you the opportunity to sort your life out
 
GetMeOutOfThisCRAP said:
Would you say it's only helpful for people withdrawing from heroin or something ultra strong like seed tea? Or is it too powerful for some who is only a painkiller addict

I know methadone has helped save lives probably as much as its destroyed them. People say it wallops them and is incredibly heavy
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Yes i would recommend it for only severe opioid addicts who are addicted to high doses of opioids and had failed quitting before or for heavy intravenous opioid users (like i was). Buprenorphine is the better option for the person addicted to snorting moderate doses of oxycodone, etc...

Had buprenorphine been more common back then (around 2005) i probably would have gone that route but i doubt it would have worked as well. With methadone i was able to get high as a kite everyday and i basically just got sick of it. Im a firm believer that high dose methadone is more effective than lower doses.
 
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