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I'm gonna list my own dissos in order of preference too just coz it looks like fun. :D

1. Ketamine - the OG of the dissociative world, fundamentally empty but the deep, deep illusions never get boring
2. 2'-OxO-PCM / Deschloroketamine (so, so close to beating out Ketamine to the number 1 spot, but just don't have enough experience with it to justify... in the top 2 for sure though...)
3. 3-HO-PCP (surprised myself to put this here but it's just so interesting and I had one of my most interesting trips ever on it)
4. MXE (never used to like it but just recently "got it" somehow)
5. Ephenidine (diarylethylamines are a bit weak but this is the best of them and kept me coming back a few times)
6. 3-MeO-PCP - again, just so interesting, but a bit too volatile to do often
7. 2F-DCK basically just ketamine light, but unholeable, fun but even emptier than ketamine itself, minus points for low potency as one of those toxic ACHs
8. Methoxphenidine - pretty boring, Ephenidine lite, non-threatening though and combines nicely with psychedelics (no massive out of control potentiation like the ACHs seem to have when combined)

The following 2 I'll add just for completeness but I've only tried them a couple of times and in very low doses so I probably cannot fairly judge them yet!
9. DXM (could be higher, only tried it once actually a while ago, only 1st plateau, had the misfortune of using a cough syrup with some kind of laxative synthetic sugar and spent a lot of my mild trip trying to quietly shit my guts out while living with my parents)
10. N2O (could be higher, just never gone high enough on it to justify a higher ranking, I seem to have some problem blowing up balloons and that's why basically)

Got some Diphenidine I'll probably try in the next few weeks, wasn't initially too interested in this one but, curiousity got the better of me. I always find the diarylethylamines a little more physically and even psychologically forgiving than ACHs, although time will tell if this gut feeling is supported by data in the next few years.
 
Ketamine needs more deliberation on my end because I've only done it twice, I maybe should have separated it as you did DXM and N2O.

I'd highly recommend giving DXM another go, though. It's full-bodied mystical magic for me in a way that almost nothing else is. It's pretty much a classic in my book. Miles ahead of MXPr, O-PCE, and even Ketamine when I tried it. Pure powder isn't too expensive online, even cheaper through China, and you can also get the off-brand cough gels for very cheap through a certain store (I have had gut issues with syrup, but never the pills - despite disliking them anyways as they're still full of dyes and other shit chemicals; and they call it medicine, pssh)
 
@psy997 - I am for sure very curious about higher dose DXM! Although I haven't really sought it out as such because it strikes me that it's perhaps a fairly toxic substance, although in a different way to ACHs - as in, truly high doses can be pretty close to overdoses, although I haven't read up too much about it recently so perhaps I am not entirely correct about that. In any case it's not like I have to go for a Plateau Sigma right away, I'm sure the lower levels have a lot to offer. I do kind of like the attempt at a fairly consensus structure that has been applied to the DXM landscape I must say also, even though I haven't personally experienced any beyond numero 1, this is a pretty unique and cool feature for a pseudo-psychedelic drug to have. I'll almost certainly give it a try since I've committed not to doing any ACHs for a year or so, gotta get my dissociative fix from somewhere. :D

I'd like to try N2O properly too but I think I need to buy some kind of tube to stick in the balloons and it's such a short duration anyway I just haven't bothered, but I'm sure it's also worth checking off the list, so the speak, despite the short duration.

EDIT: One more thing, @psy997, while I keep saying how empty I think ketamine is, if you trust your own self control to some extent and you enjoy other dissociatives, I would say it's 100% worth a look. I also do not think one can really be said to have experienced ketamine until they've had a hole experience, the hole is something else, especially when it's fresh and new - and I've yet to find a dissociative that matches this aspect of it - except DCK / O-PCM, my number 2, which is essentially the same holespace but a longer duration, possible even more euphoric, unfortunately I flushed what I had of it (wisely at the time, maybe) and it doesn't seem to be around any more. If I see it pop up though I'll for sure snap it up for the collection.



@Buzz Lightbeer - shit, I totally forgot about memantine! I've tried that a few times, experimentally really in low doses in combination with modafinil to see if there might be a tolerance inhibiting effect (there wasn't as far as I could see) and in a lower dose titration one time to see if there might be some cognitive/mood enhancement effects (again, there was not, as far as I could tell). Mainly I just experienced significant brain fog which quickly became tiresome and I was just waiting for it to wear off. I maybe never used high enough doses for it to really get recreational though and for the dissociative effects to come out, because the super long duration puts me off doing so, I've read about people being heavily dissociated for days! I must try it one day though. Have you? If so, what dose? Please do share some details! :)
 
Damn, I've only ever used MXE, N2O, and DXM. MXE was like the second coming of Christ, N2O is fun to add to anything, and I have an extreme ability to metabolize DXM to the point that as little as 30mg gives me full dissociation from my body, so I can't even use it medicinally.

I have a gram of 2-FK, and 100mg 3-Meo-PCP, but never tried either yet.

Vastness said:
I'd like to try N2O properly too but I think I need to buy some kind of tube to stick in the balloons and it's such a short duration anyway I just haven't bothered, but I'm sure it's also worth checking off the list, so the speak, despite the short duration.
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All I have to say is, whipped cream dispenser and whippits. Mine can hold two chargers, even three but I don't push it. Very fun to add to LSD.
 
Vastness said:
@Buzz Lightbeer - shit, I totally forgot about memantine! I've tried that a few times, experimentally really in low doses in combination with modafinil to see if there might be a tolerance inhibiting effect (there wasn't as far as I could see) and in a lower dose titration one time to see if there might be some cognitive/mood enhancement effects (again, there was not, as far as I could tell). Mainly I just experienced significant brain fog which quickly became tiresome and I was just waiting for it to wear off. I maybe never used high enough doses for it to really get recreational though and for the dissociative effects to come out, because the super long duration puts me off doing so, I've read about people being heavily dissociated for days! I must try it one day though. Have you? If so, what dose? Please do share some details! :)
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I have not, would love to though, I've been on the verge of getting some a couple of times but always decided in favor of other stuff. Always sounded like quite the interesting trip, but quite a bit of people have said it can get a little boring or tiresome after a while. Then again, it's such a unique dissociative... let's give it a go, shall we.

Duration seems extraordinary though, about 2 days with a couple of days of feeling off too.
 
List of disso's I've tried in favourable position.

1 Methoxetamine
2 Ketamine (s-isomer) / racemic secondary
3 DCK, 2-F-DCK, DXM, MXP (can't decide their place really so...)
4 Diphenidine
5 4-MEO-PCP
6 3-MEO-PCP
7 3-MEO-PCE

And I'll be trying MXPr and Ephenidine soon.
 
@Vastness
600mg DXM is a solid third plateau for me and a very, very enjoyable and full experience. I highly recommend it in a dark room, laying down with ambient/downtempo holing tunes. I've never heard that it's actually dangerous itself, though I'd like to know if it is. I should search that...

Re: N2O, the thing to do is whippits from whipped cream canisters - unless you somehow can get access to a tank. Buy a highly rated stainless steel canister and then go for the 125 (or whatever amount it is) package on Amazon that's cheapest per cartridge, load 2 into the canister, and then let her rip. So long as you don't have a leaky canister and you hold it in, you're guaranteed a transcendental experience pretty much.

re: Ketamine, yes, I've never been close to a hole with it. Which, is what really cemented MXE as great for me, the hole. I really do want and need to try it again, but it's just so difficult to find in the US. At least where I'm at. And, truth be told, I don't trust the motherfuckers in the bass music scene to have real K and not some other RC disso that they can't distinguish apart because they either never had K, were always mixing it, or just can't tell.
 
I actually have some whipcream in my fridge, is there any way I can get the N20 out of it? I'm curious, I'd love to try it but never got around to it. But one thing at a time...
 
450mg DXM, 5mg O-PCE, and 5-6mg 4-HO-MiPT down the drain! Wish me luck!

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I actually have some whipcream in my fridge, is there any way I can get the N20 out of it? I'm curious, I'd love to try it but never got around to it. But one thing at a time...
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Apparently you can if it's been sitting upright for a while and you press the nozzle just lightly enough, or something like that. I've never tried it, it seems like too much trouble, but it's easily google-able.
 
I had to stop taking Etizolam recreationally because as soon as I'd get over .75mg time dilation would get fucking crazy and hours would pass just like that. I'd dose at 6pm for a chill evening in, and next thing I know, it's 11pm and I wanted to be asleep at 10pm.

I'm feeling swiiirrrlllyyy

Man, this track always hits so hard on DXM, wow. I forget.

 
I'm trying to work back down from a 10mg/day etizolam habit right now, as I don't feel any dose below 3mg right now... Today I've had only 2.5mg total so I'm getting there. Probably gonna have 7 total tonight though.
 
I have taken 400mg of flmodafinil today which is probably double my normal dose, and drank like 3 coffees, also snorted 100mg tianeptine a few hours ago, as I posted in the "How High are you" recently lol... so I have some excess stimulation to counter. I generally seem to be not be able to work sometimes without both either a modafinil analogue and a GABAergic, or kratom, otherwise I just cannot concentrate.

I've been doing a lot better recently, I used to take armodafinil+phenibut almost every day which I posted about before, and I haven't done phenibut for close to 6 weeks and armodafinil admittedly had a lapse a few days ago but only like 2 half pills (75mg each) in 3 weeks, so... doing better... but I've had some stress recently and I just need to get some shit done so I've been trying to reintroduce some things more mindfully. Lauflumide / flmodafinil seems to have less incidence of side effects, and etizolam seems to be one of the less tolerance-inducing benzodiazepines.

Regarding benzos, I often wonder if I have a kind of skewed view of them because of media scaremongering or whatever. Like if I were to drink 6 beers in an evening, while I was doing it I probably wouldn't worry about increasing tolerance, withdrawal, dependence, seizures, whatever... I might even do this a few times a week (I mean, I don't, I have done for sure, and more than 6, but just for example purposes), and while I'd feel pretty bad the morning after, probably start to have creeping worries about drinking too much etc... I feel like this worry would be of a different character to the kind of immediate concern and self doubt I have whenever I take more than 2 doses of a benzo in a single day.

Like this week I've taken 2mg etizolam Thursday, 2 Friday, I don't think I took any yesterday... and now 4 today... I think that's it for this week. I did take quite a few last weekend also, maybe 4mg Saturday / 4mg Sunday... But, I mean... this isn't excessive right? I'm not at risk of dependence and withdrawal-seizure? If this was beers, again, I'd just think I'm going through a slightly heavier drinking phase than usual and that's it! And I'd feel a lot shitter throughout, no doubt...

Are benzos really any more dangerous in terms of dependence and seizure induction if we take the ease of administration out of the equation?

Am I the only one ruining my benzo high with overuse anxiety for no good reason? Can anyone identify? I mean... this is ridiculous right. My thinking here does not seem correct. How easy is it really to develop a dangerous dependence on benzos?

One final thing - etizolam itself seems to have a really interesting effect in upregulating certain subunits of the receptors it binds to, which seems paradoxical. I posted in N&PD but so far have received no responses... anyone here have a clue??

Edit - +10mg diazepam, just for the slow fade and morning after effects, I think etiz sometimes I can "feel the fade" which is never enjoyable and leads more to compulsive redosing. I'm still gonna count this weekend as a success in my increasingly dubious Drug Free November/December coz I didn't do any unplanned dissociatives or cocaine which are the main things I'm trying to just not do, if I need to do some other shit that's better on the road to trusting myself when I'm hanging around myself, as is quite often the case during these darker winter months. ;)

I feel very privileged to be a part of this community I will say, I very much enjoy reading the contributions of everyone who posts in these threads, as someone else said earlier, I think IMG_9999? I'm sure having a beer with any of you would be a highly enjoyable experience. Much love to you all. <3 I'm on a lot of benzos right now but in my experience I don't say things I don't mean usually, I just say things I'd usually feel awkwardly inhibited about saying. :LOL:
 
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Like this week I've taken 2mg etizolam Thursday, 2 Friday, I don't think I took any yesterday... and now 4 today... I think that's it for this week. I did take quite a few last weekend also, maybe 4mg Saturday / 4mg Sunday... But, I mean... this isn't excessive right? I'm not at risk of dependence and withdrawal-seizure?
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I think you'll be fine mate.
 
Thanks man, that does make me feel better! :D I would like to know though, I mean, how much is too much? Does it usually take months for a significant tolerance to develop? Years? Like would you yourself be concerned going from a 10mg etizolam habit too quickly? It was always my understanding that etizolam was less suited for "heavier" usage than longer lasting benzos because of the short half life...

I will say myself also I always seem to have had a natural tolerance of sorts, I don't remember ever getting much from less than 20mg diazepam, and I've tried the 0.5mg etiz recommended starting dosage and find it pretty useless. Even zolpidem, not a benzo obv but a strong benzo-agonist, I'll often need 20mg at least or it to actually work as expected, compared to starting doses of 5mg... and none of these substances I have ever taken for very extended periods. Could I have a naturally defective GABA system? Would explain my draw towards GABAergic drugs for sure.
 
I have a natural tolerance to bzds as well.

20mg diazepam is my minimum needed even when I have nothing built up in my system.

With regards to etizolam, and long term daily use, I definitely won’t drop it too quickly. Today I’m taking only 7mg but I plan to use about that much for the next few days and step down to 5 or 6mg daily next week. This is new territory for me though (long term bzd type use I mean), so I wouldn’t say I’m an authority on the matter. My daily use only started a few months ago now and the 10mg daily habit is more recent, I worked up to it as a reaction to growing tolerance.

I’m trying to find a lower daily dosage that will hopefully treat my anxiety related IBS pains. I got to this higher dosage by abusing it for recreational use after turning to it for the prior mentioned use at first.

Just my 2C.
 
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