Harm Reduction What are the very best NONbenzo anxiety medications out there? I'm falling apart.

[Crowsonator2008]

Did it? That didn't happen to me. I OD'd on it on purpose once and was in intensive care in a coma for a week. But yeah even a couple of extra pills can make you overdose with barbiturates, you gotta be really careful.
Unfortunately, I (understandably) had it taken off me after that. I really miss it. Weirdly, I'd been on it like 8 months (medium dose of 120mg) and they took it off me cold turkey and I didn't have any withdrawal. Maybe because the half life is like 3 days?

Yea docs won't prescribe the good barbs anymore.Just Fioricet and phenobarbital

 

[Zonxx]

Usually this is what people say about pregabalin, too. But yeah, agreed about daily phenibut.

whats so bad with daily phenibut compared to pregab? i can state for the record i haven't ever had a negative experience when running out of pregabalin but i'm also on alot of other shit so there's that, i'm gonna be getting phenibut for the first time in a few days how does it differ from regular high-dose pregabalin/pentin ?

 

[Xorkoth]

Well I have never had pregabalin withdrawals, but phenibut produces withdrawals in 2 systems, the voltage-dependent calcium channels (like pregabalin), and also GABA-B. So in theory the withdrawals should be worse from daily use.

 

[Zonxx]

Well I have never had pregabalin withdrawals, but phenibut produces withdrawals in 2 systems, the voltage-dependent calcium channels (like pregabalin), and also GABA-B. So in theory the withdrawals should be worse from daily use.

i've wondered about pregab withdrawal aswell as benzo, i've experienced increased anxiety but never anything serious thats been reported, to be quite honest i've never suffered physically or mentally from any withdrawal as bad as i have opiate wd's, infact i welcome stimulant wd in comparison to it, but ive been able to heavily use kpins and not suffer from abrupt cessation of use, so i'd like to assume phenibut wouldn't be all too treacherous?

 

[Xorkoth]

Opiate withdrawal was worse for me than phenibut withdrawal has ever been. From what I understand, benzo withdrawal is about the worst, though.

 

[negrogesic]

For me the unpleasantness of withdrawal follows this order (from most unpleasant to least):

Benzos, Opioids, Phenibut, Gabapentin, Pregabalin, low-moderate daily alcohol (~100ml/day pure ethanol equivalent), Antidepressants, Carisoprodol, Caffeine and Stimulants.

Interestingly caffeine withdrawal (400mg/day+) can be more unpleasant than traditional stimulant withdrawal as its surprisingly painful/physical, though true stimulant withdrawal (in my case very high dose methylphenidate -- 160mg/day) was worse in respect to depression.

 

[Crowsonator2008]

Caffeine withdrawal makes me depressed and lethargic

 

[Xorkoth]

Back in college I got addicted to caffeine and to get off I drank tea once a day and dealt with a few days of a headache and low energy. Ever since then I have never copped a dependence even though I take 150-300mg a day, basically every day, but sometimes I'll skip a few days just to make sure, and sure enough, I'm fine.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

i've wondered about pregab withdrawal aswell as benzo, i've experienced increased anxiety but never anything serious thats been reported, to be quite honest i've never suffered physically or mentally from any withdrawal as bad as i have opiate wd's, infact i welcome stimulant wd in comparison to it, but ive been able to heavily use kpins and not suffer from abrupt cessation of use, so i'd like to assume phenibut wouldn't be all too treacherous?

I've never had any WD with stimulants whatsoever. I've had several periods in my life when I've used about 1g of (83% pure) amphetamine sulphate every day for like 3 months and when I stopped, I'd get an incredibly need for sleep, sleep a good 36 hours straight, and then be completely normal. Is that unusual?

 

[Zonxx]

I've never had any WD with stimulants whatsoever. I've had several periods in my life when I've used about 1g of (83% pure) amphetamine sulphate every day for like 3 months and when I stopped, I'd get an incredibly need for sleep, sleep a good 36 hours straight, and then be completely normal. Is that unusual?

hah not at all infact, when i finish amp binges, i find it hard to even move let alone get out of bed for about 2-3 days, 3days being the longest which was from using amps for 4 days at a time, sleeping and repeating for 2 weeks last month, i never had anything negative that was lasting, very similar to a crack binge to me to be quite honest except not quite near as expensive or euphoric =) your need for sleep can actually internally build up over time depending how deprived you are, the longest i've slept was just under 50 hours after being awake for 9 days, 6 of which were strictly using coke and the other 3 amps and coke which no one should be combining btw, i'm just a special dumdum, pretty sure i was woken up somtime inbetween by my mother making sure i wasn't dead, i just know that at some point i woke up for a brief 30 seconds bitched and slept another 24 hours, woke up and quite literally did not believe two days had passed, i actually thought my phone mightve disconnected or somthing but it turned out to be the correct time and date

i'm gonna go ahead and state for the record i've only ever taken a gram worth of adderall once, most days of a binge consist of somthing around 500-700mg, i was beyond ampd out after taking slightly more than a gram in a window of two hours, i didn't really mean to though i just didn't realize what i was doing at the time and before i knew it id had opened several containers which i keep 240mg in and wellp the rest is history
alot of people have said its odd that i'm able to functionally use stims while in wd, but we're all different, i'm able to keep almost 90% of wd away while i smoke crack infact thats how i saved almost 10 days worth of oxy/hydromorph over the last two months

dunno how my reply got to where it did, i'm pretty ampd right now to be quite honest.

but back on topic, i'm pretty sure that amphetamine wd isn't as bad as one might think, generally you only experience mental side effects if you're heavily addicted/dependent on it, but seeing as i've more or less done what you have over the last two months i'm gonna go out on a limb and say it pretty much subsides with a huge amount of rest, or a few days of fatigue/lack of energy. BUT i've never experienced the same effect from coke binges, quite the opposite, the next day is either smoothe sailing OR its quite harsh probably likely due to eating up all my dopamine, so i usually tend to take the time during stim wd to take alil extra meds and nod them out

 

[Zonxx]

I've never had any WD with stimulants whatsoever. I've had several periods in my life when I've used about 1g of (83% pure) amphetamine sulphate every day for like 3 months and when I stopped, I'd get an incredibly need for sleep, sleep a good 36 hours straight, and then be completely normal. Is that unusual?

i'm gonna go ahead and ask just out of curiosity, you did certainly not go 3 months without sleep did you? because if i know how 9 days feel i cant imagine 90

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

hah not at all infact, when i finish amp binges, i find it hard to even move let alone get out of bed for about 2-3 days, 3days being the longest which was from using amps for 4 days at a time, sleeping and repeating for 2 weeks last month, i never had anything negative that was lasting, very similar to a crack binge to me to be quite honest except not quite near as expensive or euphoric =) your need for sleep can actually internally build up over time depending how deprived you are, the longest i've slept was just under 50 hours after being awake for 9 days, 6 of which were strictly using coke and the other 3 amps and coke which no one should be combining btw, i'm just a special dumdum, pretty sure i was woken up somtime inbetween by my mother making sure i wasn't dead, i just know that at some point i woke up for a brief 30 seconds bitched and slept another 24 hours, woke up and quite literally did not believe two days had passed, i actually thought my phone mightve disconnected or somthing but it turned out to be the correct time and date

i'm gonna go ahead and state for the record i've only ever taken a gram worth of adderall once, most days of a binge consist of somthing around 500-700mg, i was beyond ampd out after taking slightly more than a gram in a window of two hours, i didn't really mean to though i just didn't realize what i was doing at the time and before i knew it id had opened several containers which i keep 240mg in and wellp the rest is history
alot of people have said its odd that i'm able to functionally use stims while in wd, but we're all different, i'm able to keep almost 90% of wd away while i smoke crack infact thats how i saved almost 10 days worth of oxy/hydromorph over the last two months

I've enjoyed crack when I've done it, but for me I enjoy amphetamine just as much as can maintain the same amount of money that would gave me a great high from crack for an hours would give me an equally great high from amphetamine for 48 hours, so coke just generally isn't worth the money to me. If I'm offered coke, I'll shoot it rather than smoke it as crack: the high is equal but different, but again, lasts twice as long for me.

I should have mentioned, I wasn't too sleep deprived even though it'd be like 3 months because I would take Xanax to sleep every other night.
I can't use stims for too long because without them I'm only 110lb at 5'6 so when I do them I because terrifyingly emaciated very quickly. Losing 25lbs is enough to put me in hospital.

I seem to be always sleep deprived the last couple years. A couple times a week I can sleep up to 27 hours at a time and still feel unrested.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

i'm gonna go ahead and ask just out of curiosity, you did certainly not go 3 months without sleep did you? because if i know how 9 days feel i cant imagine 90

Nooo, lol. I'm pretty sure that would be fatal. I'd take Xanax probably 4 nights a week for sleep.

 

[Zonxx]

I've enjoyed crack when I've done it, but for me I enjoy amphetamine just as much as can maintain the same amount of money that would gave me a great high from crack for an hours would give me an equally great high from amphetamine for 48 hours, so coke just generally isn't worth the money to me. If I'm offered coke, I'll shoot it rather than smoke it as crack: the high is equal but different, but again, lasts twice as long for me.

I should have mentioned, I wasn't too sleep deprived even though it'd be like 3 months because I would take Xanax to sleep every other night.
I can't use stims for too long because without them I'm only 110lb at 5'6 so when I do them I because terrifyingly emaciated very quickly. Losing 25lbs is enough to put me in hospital.

I seem to be always sleep deprived the last couple years. A couple times a week I can sleep up to 27 hours at a time and still feel unrested.

as a matter a fact, too much sleep can leave one feeling unrested ^_^ alass living with my mom for the last somthing like 8 months hasn't allowed me to really sleep for more than 24 hours without being disturbed at some point usually making sure i'm alive which tends to make one feel a smidge guilty but hrm, i've done my fair share helping her through 2 surgerys, opiate withdrawal which cost me quite a pretty penny if i may say so, so i haven't any qualms about my sleeping patterns, i've always made it known that sleep is a priority to me even over making money with the regimen that i have i can't afford to be deprived of it because that ends with me using more stims, and has a ripple effect more or less throughout everything, but i suppose i get it, lord knows i've made sure she's still breathing from sleep or just breathing period, ah the things she forgets i do, i don't think many other kids'll give up their opiates and be short let alone go out buy oxy,methadone and dope for their parent -,- mums are special, my father can go fuck himself.

 

[Zonxx]

Nooo, lol. I'm pretty sure that would be fatal. I'd take Xanax probably 4 nights a week for sleep.

i'm kinda amazed someone else was able to use as much amphetamine as i do to be quite plain, so i'm gonna dwell on this one, what other drugs did you take while simutaniously using speed? i can't seem to enjoy amps without some form of a gabapentinoid/benzo being in my system that edge is pretty gnarly on me, but i tend to over-do my dosing really

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

i'm kinda amazed someone else was able to use as much amphetamine as i do to be quite plain, so i'm gonna dwell on this one, what other drugs did you take while simutaniously using speed? i can't seem to enjoy amps without some form of a gabapentinoid/benzo being in my system that edge is pretty gnarly on me, but i tend to over-do my dosing really

I used to take Pyrazolam, too, because it was the perfect benzo to take with stimulants. It got rid of any anxiety or excessive jitteriness or any other unwanted effects, but it didn't take anything away from the high; it actually enhanced the euphoria.
I experimented with a bunch of things during the time, but mostly stuck to those two. I tried quite a few other stims, too (like try a different stim for a few days). The one's I remember being: Methylphenidate, Ethylphenidate, MCAT, 1,4-Fluroromethylphenidate, Cocaine, Phentermine...some more I don't remember. I tried GBL/GHB, too.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

I used to take Pyrazolam, too, because it was the perfect benzo to take with stimulants. It got rid of any anxiety or excessive jitteriness or any other unwanted effects, but it didn't take anything away from the high; it actually enhanced the euphoria.
I experimented with a bunch of things during the time, but mostly stuck to those two. I tried quite a few other stims, too (like try a different stim for a few days). The one's I remember being: Methylphenidate, Ethylphenidate, MCAT, 1,4-Fluroromethylphenidate, Cocaine, Phentermine...some more I don't remember. I tried GBL/GHB, too.

Oh, I was on Methadone some of those times, too. Maybe Oxy the first time.

 

[Zonxx]

I used to take Pyrazolam, too, because it was the perfect benzo to take with stimulants. It got rid of any anxiety or excessive jitteriness or any other unwanted effects, but it didn't take anything away from the high; it actually enhanced the euphoria.
I experimented with a bunch of things during the time, but mostly stuck to those two. I tried quite a few other stims, too (like try a different stim for a few days). The one's I remember being: Methylphenidate, Ethylphenidate, MCAT, 1,4-Fluroromethylphenidate, Cocaine, Phentermine...some more I don't remember. I tried GBL/GHB, too.

yes mam, this made my morning oddly, taking a certain type of benzo/anxiolytic because it got rid of the negatives all the while not disrupting the stim itself (y) to me nothing'll beat pregabalin thus far alongside amps i'm looking forward to trying the rc 4-methyl pregabalin which is 4-5x stronger

Oh, I was on Methadone some of those times, too. Maybe Oxy the first time.

ah, i'm always on high-dose opiates unless i'm trying not to take them, but the longest i've ever gone without a minimum 100mg equivilent to morphine dose was 18 hours in the last 2-3 years which is certainly nothing to be proud of but while some'll stare at their pain meds, i'll gobble those fuckers down than sit there in pain 75% of the time i never take recreational doses of opiates though, i'll take whatever comes with them but if i take an early dose its on the basis of keeping pain away, or staying ahead of it
now it makes sense how you're able to keep up with me the opiates really do allow you to use much more stims than without ^^ fuck, im willing to bet i'm only alive because of opiates really, oh boy if the day ever comes when i dont have them, just throw me into a church and watch me burn

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

yes mam, this made my morning oddly, taking a certain type of benzo/anxiolytic because it got rid of the negatives all the while not disrupting the stim itself (y) to me nothing'll beat pregabalin thus far alongside amps i'm looking forward to trying the rc 4-methyl pregabalin which is 4-5x stronger

ah, i'm always on high-dose opiates unless i'm trying not to take them, but the longest i've ever gone without a minimum 100mg equivilent to morphine dose was 18 hours in the last 2-3 years which is certainly nothing to be proud of but while some'll stare at their pain meds, i'll gobble those fuckers down than sit there in pain 75% of the time i never take recreational doses of opiates though, i'll take whatever comes with them but if i take an early dose its on the basis of keeping pain away, or staying ahead of it
now it makes sense how you're able to keep up with me the opiates really do allow you to use much more stims than without ^^ fuck, im willing to bet i'm only alive because of opiates really, oh boy if the day ever comes when i dont have them, just throw me into a church and watch me burn

I've only tried Pregabalin once. I took it (along with several shot's of gin and about .1 of coke). It was a 300mg and I lost all muscle control like never before, it was crazy. Even trying to sit upright, I'd keep falling onto my back or side.

I know how you feel. I'd never wanna be without my opiates, either for physical pain or mental pain. I've never been on less than that really. The Dihydrocodeine I'm on now if about the lowest opioid amount I've managed to stick to and it's still the equivalent of 150mg morphine/day. I usually go 24-36 hours without any once a week or so (I actually had my last dose 3 hours ago and have 32 hours until my next script) and I hate it. My WD is inconstant, though. Sometimes I'm totally fine other than diarrhea and other times I'm drenched in sweat, vomiting an crying etc.

 

[Zonxx]

I've only tried Pregabalin once. I took it (along with several shot's of gin and about .1 of coke). It was a 300mg and I lost all muscle control like never before, it was crazy. Even trying to sit upright, I'd keep falling onto my back or side.

I know how you feel. I'd never wanna be without my opiates, either for physical pain or mental pain. I've never been on less than that really. The Dihydrocodeine I'm on now if about the lowest opioid amount I've managed to stick to and it's still the equivalent of 150mg morphine/day. I usually go 24-36 hours without any once a week or so (I actually had my last dose 3 hours ago and have 32 hours until my next script) and I hate it. My WD is inconstant, though. Sometimes I'm totally fine other than diarrhea and other times I'm drenched in sweat, vomiting an crying etc.

oh my, this slingshotted my memory right back to 3 years ago when i had moved the wrong way and completely fucked myself over and took my entire months morphine inside 5 days, it took me a week of wd before i could pull myself together (wasn't into crack at that point which REALLY would have fucking saved me one of the most terrible experiences of my life thus far) after a week i couldn't take it i was drinking a bottle or more of hard liquor a day, vomitting, and oh my god was i the nastiest motherfucker on gods green earth to anyone remotely near me, i called my docs office and ripped the poor secretary a new one, got an appointment that day, i'll never forget her looking at me and just saying "alright, just sit down i'll have him see you next " god bless him for not making me deal with 2 more weeks of that, i genuinely don't know how id have made it through that, id probably have started smoking as much dope as i could afford before pricking myself with a needle (which i have yet to use as a roa with dope)at first he had no clue what was going on with me because i could barely form a sentence that didn't end with fuck LOL oh my god i just smiled, i'll miss my doc, he said "nick, stop fucking swearing and explain whats wrong" to which i just told him "I'm clearly dying and need meds, you're not gonna let me walk out of here without them are you?" and i'll never forget what he said "you've always been honest, and your well-being is my priority, i don't want to write you a new prescription because you should have atleast called me before taking so much on your own but don't let it happen again, call me if you can't come in." and i'll be damned anytime it was somthing urgent he would be on that phone, hell ive had him fax in morphine/oxy/hydro scripts that i just couldn't drive all the way out to pick up which is illegal in canada, but my pharmacy knew/knows better than to ask any questions about my meds lelel the day they questioned why i was given 3 different opiates and didn't want to dispense them and they called my docs office, i haven't a clue what he said but they never wanted to call his office again, but he was a no-bs type of person and had god awful moods somtimes, but nothing ever as bad as the time he lost his $3,000 pen, it was the first time he called me a 'shit' and then insisted he feels like he's my drug dealer, wrote my script asked if everythings good, and told me 'good, get lost'
ah how this reply has made me lol and smile a few times. but it's left me rather sad too since he's retired/retiring now (he still runs a prvt practice till october or november) ah now i'm sad, i'll never have such a good doc again, i'm pretty sure most docs'll run the other way with my doses right now