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How to be an attractive male - getting a girlfriend?

I'm very glad too! although she is located in my old university's city so there are almost 90 miles between us so it will be a challenge to meet often but it's ok I'm not looking for a relationship so this shouldn't be a problem, I already had 2 since this fall so no more for now!

oh I forgot to say that on tinder I always unmatch those girls looking like models, if you don't have a room specially for stacking racks of cash and you don't look like leonardo dicaprio ( although I do ) you are just wasting your time, plus I've noticed that their personalities really suck. lately I'm into fluffly average girls, it's not a fetish so pls no jokes
 
I've been thinking a lot on the subject of relationships today. Saving myself for marriage sounds like a very strange concept. I can't wrap my head around marriage. I know I'm not going to just have sex in a relationship in the future. You give your body away to some guy and when the relationship is over, then what? There's nothing to show for it and he's on to the next one. So my only option is to stay celibate until marriage. Either get married and have sex or stay celibate.

OP, come back and tell us about any progress you've been making.
 
Not sure one can become an attractive male... or female for that matter, IMO.
I think females are more attracted to confidence/competence and will overlook a lot of flaws if one has these traits. Anyone with money, stability and subterfuge can attain one of the opposite and/or same sex with pretty much ease.
But a loser underdog that never gives up to lifes issues and pushes past the tears of agony, pain and frustrations IME is a winner... and can pick and choose at will... specially if one chooses not to pick it makes one more attractive but then no guts no glory.
Bangin' ass hot chick at work has been giving me some looks and touches... i suggested (today) that maybe we should hang out sometime. The response was very quick and positive (guess that would depend on one's perspective) and hate to but....
I never take offers up but this one will be super hard not to.
Those feel good chemicals are flowing though my brain and it is highly pleasurable/addictive.
It's all a double edged blade that can cut a MF to pieces.
Experience in life may help....
Everyone is different so YMMV.
 
Not sure one can become an attractive male... or female for that matter, IMO.
I think females are more attracted to confidence/competence and will overlook a lot of flaws if one has these traits. Anyone with money, stability and subterfuge can attain one of the opposite and/or same sex with pretty much ease.

Very true, women are way more forgiving than men are when it comes to looks. Someone made a thread in this forum about "Why do women say looks don't matter when they do" Something like that. Not saying looks don't matter at all, but like you said, women can overlook certain things if the man has qualities to make up for it. If you're not physically attracted to the person and there's no chemistry, then no, it's not going to work. It's just like that sometimes.

But a loser underdog that never gives up to lifes issues and pushes past the tears of agony, pain and frustrations IME is a winner... and can pick and choose at will... specially if one chooses not to pick it makes one more attractive but then no guts no glory.
Bangin' ass hot chick at work has been giving me some looks and touches... i suggested (today) that maybe we should hang out sometime. The response was very quick and positive (guess that would depend on one's perspective) and hate to but....
I never take offers up but this one will be super hard not to.
Those feel good chemicals are flowing though my brain and it is highly pleasurable/addictive.
It's all a double edged blade that can cut a MF to pieces.
Experience in life may help....
Everyone is different so YMMV.

Yes, that rush when you first meet someone is equivalent to the love/addictive feelings you get from drugs. It's intoxicating. I really think "love" is something I can't handle when it doesn't work out. Some people are better at moving on, but if you're already a depressive, a break up can make you feel suicidal.
Good luck with the hot chick! Bend her over the copy machine and go at it. hehe
 
You give your body away to some guy and when the relationship is over, then what? There's nothing to show for it and he's on to the next one. So my only option is to stay celibate until marriage.
You probably know this already and I'm sorry to hear you had some bad experiences, but this seems to me a very negative perspective and paints sex, extramartial sex at least, as a very one sided transaction.

I know this kind of language is commonly used, but I think on analysis, especially when it leads to negative perceptions such as in this case, it's not helpful. You're not really "giving your body away", at least not in any more sense than your chosen sexual partner gives his body to you - temporarily. And if it doesn't work out, yeah, he's onto the next one... but so are you, hopefully, eventually.

And again, its not like you really have nothing to show for it - hopefully you had at least a temporary fun time, and doing fun things for ourselves has value. Perhaps you had a long, deep and meaningful relationship. At the very least, you had an experience which changed you and hopefully allowed you to grow.

All our experiences have value and make us who we are, and failed relationships are of course no different. In fact they have a lot of value, so again, it's most definitely not true that any of us have "nothing to show for it" when we find ourselves newly in possession of another failed relationship in the rich tapestry of our lives.
 
yes you are right vastness I for sure learned more from failed relationships than good ones
 
You probably know this already and I'm sorry to hear you had some bad experiences, but this seems to me a very negative perspective and paints sex, extramartial sex at least, as a very one sided transaction.

I know this kind of language is commonly used, but I think on analysis, especially when it leads to negative perceptions such as in this case, it's not helpful. You're not really "giving your body away", at least not in any more sense than your chosen sexual partner gives his body to you - temporarily. And if it doesn't work out, yeah, he's onto the next one... but so are you, hopefully, eventually.

And again, its not like you really have nothing to show for it - hopefully you had at least a temporary fun time, and doing fun things for ourselves has value. Perhaps you had a long, deep and meaningful relationship. At the very least, you had an experience which changed you and hopefully allowed you to grow.

All our experiences have value and make us who we are, and failed relationships are of course no different. In fact they have a lot of value, so again, it's most definitely not true that any of us have "nothing to show for it" when we find ourselves newly in possession of another failed relationship in the rich tapestry of our lives.

Yes, it's true we learn things from past relationships. I still feel like sex within the false security of a relationship is a waste of time and it does feel like I gave my body away, for what? When it's over, it's over. You've had all this sex with someone who wasn't worth it in the end anyway. For women, it feels very different, like you are giving something away. Or maybe that's just me. What I've learned from my past experiences gives me a different view on sex now. It may be looked at as negative to some, but it's a wake up call for me.

If I do have another relationship in the future, he will have to want to be celibate too. That way we can enjoy one another without sex being on the table. That will be a much more meaningful experience to me and I deserve to feel like I'm not being used for my body.
 
Sex ain’t that special, it can be but doesn’t have to be.
I couldn’t be celibate. My balls wouldn’t allow it.
 
Sex ain’t that special, it can be but doesn’t have to be.
I couldn’t be celibate. My balls wouldn’t allow it.

Haha! I used to have fun with hook ups in the past and even had some really long-term relationships. I just can't do hook ups anymore. I don't have a negative view of people who do. I know that what I'm talking about probably isn't feasible to most. Celibacy has been extremely easy so far, but the real test will come when I find someone I really like.
 
When it's over, it's over. You've had all this sex with someone who wasn't worth it in the end anyway. For women, it feels very different, like you are giving something away.
I'm sure it is different for women - there are solid evolutionary reasons for women to approach sex more cautiously, and no doubt this has manifested in subjective differences in the psychological experience surrounding sex, and different subconscious biases... But it's an interesting question, I think, how much these instinctual biases are affected by our modern age of (relative) gender equality and widespread contraception. Clearly, there are plenty of sexually liberated women around, and I would venture to say that the majority of them are likely not devoting a significant chunk of mental energy to suppressing a deep, unconscious shame from deep in our evolutionary past (although I know some people would disagree).

In ancient times you really would be giving something away (not your body exactly, but we can see where the metaphor originates ;)), namely time and energy required to raise offspring until they can survive without you. But nowadays sexual relationships often have quite different objectives - or at least, the psychological distance separating us from what might be argued to be the evolutionary imperative behind all our actions is greater.

Are you hoping to have a child with someone in the future? If not, I'm curious what, to you, would make someone "worth it"?

Obviously one thing it can't be argued you are still giving away is time and energy, although the desired end product of this - ie, what would presumably make the relationship "worth it" - is perhaps harder to define. Bearing in mind that probably you don't even enter into a relationship with anyone unless you enjoy their company, to some extent - but it sounds like an unspecified period of mutually enjoyable interaction with each other is not enough.

On the other hand, if it IS enough - if it doesn't last, if one or both of you changes, why does this negate the value of any good experiences you had?

Of course, all relationships will end eventually, even if the decider of the end is death. But if you're with someone for a couple of happy years, before being forced to part by an incurable cancer, versus shifting life circumstances and personality changes that made your continued union untenable... most people would NOT say that it "wasn't worth it in the end" to spend a couple of happy years with someone before they became terminally ill, and I'm assuming that you wouldn't either. On that basis, is someone only worth it if they stay with you until one of you dies? If that's the case, it's just never going to be possible to know if someone was worth it or not until the end... but it's worth noting also, some people will have an easier ride than others.

Everyone changes over time, and your perfect gentleman soulmate conceivable who dies in a car accident after 2 years might, had they lived, turn into an abusive, manipulative narcissist had they lived another 3. On the flipside, in another life, you spend 10 years with your ideal partner before you grow apart and separate. The soon-to-be-abuser who dies is immortalised as a saint who was tragically snatched away too soon, while the other despite a much longer list of positive experiences and no truly dark ones is dismissed as "not worth it"...

Admittedly I may have got a little carried away with my thought experiment here, but I hope you see the point I'm trying to make, and no judgement about your choice to be celibate, good for you and I'm not trying to convince you you should do otherwise, you can do whatever you want, of course, but I'm curious about your use of language and would like to better understand, or, perhaps, the feelings behind your reasoning.
 
I'm sure it is different for women - there are solid evolutionary reasons for women to approach sex more cautiously, and no doubt this has manifested in subjective differences in the psychological experience surrounding sex, and different subconscious biases... But it's an interesting question, I think, how much these instinctual biases are affected by our modern age of (relative) gender equality and widespread contraception. Clearly, there are plenty of sexually liberated women around, and I would venture to say that the majority of them are likely not devoting a significant chunk of mental energy to suppressing a deep, unconscious shame from deep in our evolutionary past (although I know some people would disagree).

In ancient times you really would be giving something away (not your body exactly, but we can see where the metaphor originates ;)), namely time and energy required to raise offspring until they can survive without you. But nowadays sexual relationships often have quite different objectives - or at least, the psychological distance separating us from what might be argued to be the evolutionary imperative behind all our actions is greater.

Are you hoping to have a child with someone in the future? If not, I'm curious what, to you, would make someone "worth it"?

Obviously one thing it can't be argued you are still giving away is time and energy, although the desired end product of this - ie, what would presumably make the relationship "worth it" - is perhaps harder to define. Bearing in mind that probably you don't even enter into a relationship with anyone unless you enjoy their company, to some extent - but it sounds like an unspecified period of mutually enjoyable interaction with each other is not enough.

On the other hand, if it IS enough - if it doesn't last, if one or both of you changes, why does this negate the value of any good experiences you had?

Of course, all relationships will end eventually, even if the decider of the end is death. But if you're with someone for a couple of happy years, before being forced to part by an incurable cancer, versus shifting life circumstances and personality changes that made your continued union untenable... most people would NOT say that it "wasn't worth it in the end" to spend a couple of happy years with someone before they became terminally ill, and I'm assuming that you wouldn't either. On that basis, is someone only worth it if they stay with you until one of you dies? If that's the case, it's just never going to be possible to know if someone was worth it or not until the end... but it's worth noting also, some people will have an easier ride than others.

Everyone changes over time, and your perfect gentleman soulmate conceivable who dies in a car accident after 2 years might, had they lived, turn into an abusive, manipulative narcissist had they lived another 3. On the flipside, in another life, you spend 10 years with your ideal partner before you grow apart and separate. The soon-to-be-abuser who dies is immortalised as a saint who was tragically snatched away too soon, while the other despite a much longer list of positive experiences and no truly dark ones is dismissed as "not worth it"...

Admittedly I may have got a little carried away with my thought experiment here, but I hope you see the point I'm trying to make, and no judgement about your choice to be celibate, good for you and I'm not trying to convince you you should do otherwise, you can do whatever you want, of course, but I'm curious about your use of language and would like to better understand, or, perhaps, the feelings behind your reasoning.

You bring up good points, but I'm looking at it from a spiritual perspective. Becoming a believer has made certain things more clear to me. I didn't feel good in my last relationship having sex in it. The act felt good (when he wasn't making me feel obligated to have sex with him). Having sex outside of marriage didn't make me feel good, it made me feel impure. It's called sexual immorality. As a believer, you learn more as you go along so I can't ignore it anymore. Some guys will drag out a relationship only to keep the sex going and never plan on marriage. Celibacy is something that I have to do for myself. We're all on different journeys and people realize different things when the time comes. I respect your opinion.

Oh and what I meant by "not worth it" is the feeling of giving my body away outside of marriage. In my spirit, it's not right anymore. That doesn't mean it doesn't feel right for many others, just not for me at this point in my life.
 
You bring up good points, but I'm looking at it from a spiritual perspective. Becoming a believer has made certain things more clear to me. I didn't feel good in my last relationship having sex in it. The act felt good (when he wasn't making me feel obligated to have sex with him). Having sex outside of marriage didn't make me feel good, it made me feel impure. It's called sexual immorality. As a believer, you learn more as you go along so I can't ignore it anymore. Some guys will drag out a relationship only to keep the sex going and never plan on marriage. Celibacy is something that I have to do for myself. We're all on different journeys and people realize different things when the time comes. I respect your opinion.

Oh and what I meant by "not worth it" is the feeling of giving my body away outside of marriage. In my spirit, it's not right anymore. That doesn't mean it doesn't feel right for many others, just not for me at this point in my life.
Here we are with that "giving your body away" phrase again... :LOL: This phrasing is problematical to me. As a man, I'm not TAKING a women's body when I have sex with her, and if I felt like SHE felt like I was doing this I'd probably be just slightly offended. That's just me though, and if it isn't obvious I'm being just a little tongue in cheek... ;) I'm not gonna go all SJW on you, phrase it however you want - but on the flip-side, language influences thought and thus words and phrases matter, they are not totally benign entities.

However so basically, you would be giving away your purity because it's a sin in the eyes of God, a worthwhile relationship would be a marriage witnessed by God.. Fair enough. Religion does have a way of sucking the fun and the value out of any attempts to probe the deeper meanings behind feelings and our motivations. ? If your religion is making you happy though great, just try not to go off the deep end and start shooting up abortion clinics and preaching creationism.

Just in an effort to scrape the wrap up this particular line of discussion as it approaches the invitable God says dead end... a marriage is not a sure thing either, as I'm sure you know, although it's probably fair to say it's one of the surer things, as far as relationships go. Sp if a Christian marriage doesn't work out - was it still worth it? If so the reason is obvious - it was ordained by God. If not, the reason is less clear to me...
 
Here we are with that "giving your body away" phrase again... :LOL: This phrasing is problematical to me. As a man, I'm not TAKING a women's body when I have sex with her, and if I felt like SHE felt like I was doing this I'd probably be just slightly offended. That's just me though, and if it isn't obvious I'm being just a little tongue in cheek... ;) I'm not gonna go all SJW on you, phrase it however you want - but on the flip-side, language influences thought and thus words and phrases matter, they are not totally benign entities.

However so basically, you would be giving away your purity because it's a sin in the eyes of God, a worthwhile relationship would be a marriage witnessed by God.. Fair enough. Religion does have a way of sucking the fun and the value out of any attempts to probe the deeper meanings behind feelings and our motivations. ? If your religion is making you happy though great, just try not to go off the deep end and start shooting up abortion clinics and preaching creationism.

Just in an effort to scrape the wrap up this particular line of discussion as it approaches the invitable God says dead end... a marriage is not a sure thing either, as I'm sure you know, although it's probably fair to say it's one of the surer things, as far as relationships go. Sp if a Christian marriage doesn't work out - was it still worth it? If so the reason is obvious - it was ordained by God. If not, the reason is less clear to me...

You're caught up on the phrase "giving your body away". That's how I see it coming from a spiritual perspective. Since you don't see it that way, it doesn't apply to you. If you're so offended by it, that's not my problem.

"Don't go shooting up abortion clinics and preaching creationism."
You sure did rush to assume that I'm some kind of a religious zealot. I am not like that at all. You don't know me and what I've been through. Haha You have no idea.

Marriage isn't guaranteed either, that's true. I would still rather have sex within a marriage.

Anyway, have a good night.
 
I'm sorry, I only meant what I said in those instance to be a lighthearted joke, if it doesn't come across or was in poor taste, again, I wholeheartedly apologise.

To clarify, I am not really offended, I think it might be harmful language but on the scale of important things in life it's very low, definitely not to the extent I want to belittle you about it.

As far as the abortion clinics and creationism thing, I genuinely didn't really assume you to be a zealot, that's why I thought I could get away with a light jab not at yourself but at some of the darkest aspects of Christianity. If the sarcasm didn't come across, or, again, the joke was in poor taste, it was entirely unintentional. I have just taken 15mg zopiclone and little cocaine so my judgement of what's OK to joke about is probably skewed. I don't know you of course but from what I do know I have nothing but respect for you. ❤
 
I'm sorry, I only meant what I said in those instance to be a lighthearted joke, if it doesn't come across or was in poor taste, again, I wholeheartedly apologise.

To clarify, I am not really offended, I think it might be harmful language but on the scale of important things in life it's very low, definitely not to the extent I want to belittle you about it.

As far as the abortion clinics and creationism thing, I genuinely didn't really assume you to be a zealot, that's why I thought I could get away with a light jab not at yourself but at some of the darkest aspects of Christianity. If the sarcasm didn't come across, or, again, the joke was in poor taste, it was entirely unintentional. I have just taken 15mg zopiclone and little cocaine so my judgement of what's OK to joke about is probably skewed. I don't know you of course but from what I do know I have nothing but respect for you. ❤

I'm sorry as well because after I posted that I felt bad about it. You took cocaine, I had Concerta so maybe I was a little hyped up. Haha

It's actually a funny joke because it's way off from who I really am. Again, I'm sorry too. We can hug it out. hehe ❤
 
Good luck with the hot chick! Bend her over the copy machine and go at it. hehe
That was what my snicker was about. :)
I decided not to follow through: Option is always on the table just don't want to deal with any other guilt and feeling disloyal. No telling what tomorrow will bring but today I am feeling decent about it.
Still... when she is close to me i almost lose my mind (damn peremones, smells and touches). She knows it but the most she can get is my body... heart has been taken for a quarter century and I am convinced there is no one I would leave for. never know what kinda shit these people are carriers of and they most likely give no courtesy heads up.
 
One thing that I would like to point out is that as you are feeling that a partner has been missing from your life for a long time, it may be possible that you'll give too much importance to every single interaction with a woman you are meeting as a potential partner.
This could come out in a way that will be perceived as you having too many expectations, or maybe being needy or something else... I this happens You need to learn to take it easy.
 
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