So how much o-pce does it take to hole?
Orally - and nasally
With no tolerance
I found 30mg to be enough to hole with, just dissolve it into a drink and gulp it down, it doesn't even taste as bad but you could just put some flavor in it if you wanted (I really like the "MONIN Grenadine Sirup"). But it's definitely not necesarry
When dissolved in a drink it only takes me around 20 minutes to feel the initial effects, when taken in a capsule it takes 2 hours on average, that's why I prefer dissolving. I feel like o-pce is worthless when snorted, does anyone agree on that one? Orally feels a lot more sedating and a lot more "holey".
Yesterday I drunk 30mg in a drink and somehow got busy texting people, which was a big mistake. I only texted nonsense, I don't know why I kept texting because I should have just sat back and holed. That was a really weird experience and I feel like I wasted the o-pce this day. Has something like that ever happened to someone? I couldn't even read the shit I was texting, it took me a good 20 seconds for each sentence to read, while typing took even longer.
I have another experience I wanna share with you guys: Me and a friend both took 20mg (it was his first experience), everything went good but in the end (t+5:00) we both snorted a small amount of 2cb (5mg each) which is considerably low. We where out of our world, we where convinced my whole room wasn't "straight" anymore. My bed was supposed to look like this | | but it looked like / /. Idk if that makes sense but we fucking rearranged my whole room, until we noticed that also the walls and doors where / /, we came to the conclusion that it's either caused by a drug or the house I am living in was built / /. I took a glass of water and put it on the ground to check if the water surface would be _ instead of ~ or /. Fortunately it was even and we just laughed it off and just put the carpet back on (the carpet itself was a little uneven, we both think this greatly contributed to our "uneven reality" We both thought we broke "something" in our reality and had no idea how to fix it. This whole experience felt on the edge of a psychosis, even though we both totally enjoyed that experience, it was sooo fun. We noticed that we made the whole thing even "worse" when talking about it, we got more and more involved into those thoughts when speaking about it. But we kept complaining, because we both wanted to push it. We smoked some weed in the experience, hoping it would calm us down, but it only potentiated everything (both o-pce and 2cb), just as I assumed (and told him before). It was a 10/10 experience though, has anything like that ever happened to somebody? If not I would probably consider taking a break from dissos, because I wouldn't want to be stuck in that mindset, even though (as pointed out numerous times) it was a really nice "trip".
Another general question: I always see you talking about "spiritual holes", have I never holed when I just felt disconnected in a black room/tunnel? I never got other thoughts or stuff like you are talking about, I am pretty sure I got clean product (both o-pce and 3-meo-pcp) but I have little to no experiences with both. A combined 8 trips, if I had to guess. But I am getting more and more interested in pushing the doses. In the beginning I wanted to only have one experience each week, but is it possible for somebody without a tolerance to trip like twice a week, without ruining the magic?
