Dissociatives The Big & Dandy Eticyclidone / 2‘-Oxo-PCE Thread

[MSK]

I am really interested, what your goal was by ingesting it every day. I orally took 9mg today and one hour later I felt like having injected a few shots of Vodka for a little period, while my thinking was not impaired the slightest. I'm not sure, yet, whether it was influenced at all.

The main effect of this substance is motoric impairment, the after effects include mild (not annoying) stimulation. I cannot comprehend, how this drug can be utilized (yet).

This drug can be taken on higher doses for a hardcore hole I'm not able to achieve with K or MXE. Also, combining it with psychedelics is one of my favourite current drug experiences, insane visuals, awaken lucid dreaming and ego loss.

By itself and at low/normal doses, for me it's what you describe. Motor impairment, dizziness, not a lot going on the mind... Don't worth taking it. Cannabis seem to add some magic to the experience as well.

 

[Ziiirp]

@StMorningGlory

I get good effects from low doses (2-5mg) of 3-MeO-PCP (functional pleasent effects) and low/medium doses (5-15mg) of 3-MeO-PCE (recreational pleasant effects). While it is likely, that I have a certain tolerance to stimulants, I doubt that it has anything to do with serotonine transporters.

I also got subpar effects from this months ago, when I did not have a high stimulant tolerance and zero disso tolerance (disso tolerance should still be low from once a week medium dose use).

But thanks for your food for thought. I never aimed for a hole. I used MXP as a "medicine" and 3-MeO-PCP as a util and 3-MeO-PCE for recreation. Holing is not on my todo-list (,yet).

@ MSK

Thanks for the confirmation. It seems to be a combo-drug. Not suitable for me then I guess. It is not utter rubbish. It is just the least useful dissociative I have taken, yet. And as I wrote, I am not sure, whether it is a medicine, i.e. having preferable after effects, while the onset is unpleasant or (mild) poison, i.e. having undesirable after effects overall.

 

[MSK]

@StMorningGlory

I get good effects from low doses (2-5mg) of 3-MeO-PCP (functional pleasent effects) and low/medium doses (5-15mg) of 3-MeO-PCE (recreational pleasant effects). While it is likely, that I have a certain tolerance to stimulants, I doubt that it has anything to do with serotonine transporters.

I also got subpar effects from this months ago, when I did not have a high stimulant tolerance and zero disso tolerance (disso tolerance should still be low from once a week medium dose use).

But thanks for your food for thought. I never aimed for a hole. I used MXP as a "medicine" and 3-MeO-PCP as a util and 3-MeO-PCE for recreation. Holing is not on my todo-list (,yet).

@ MSK

Thanks for the confirmation. It seems to be a combo-drug. Not suitable for me then I guess. It is not utter rubbish. It is just the least useful dissociative I have taken, yet. And as I wrote, I am not sure, whether it is a medicine, i.e. having preferable after effects, while the onset is unpleasant or (mild) poison, i.e. having undesirable after effects overall.

For taking with no-holing purposes, and as mood lifter or pain reliever, 3-MeO-PCP or 2-OxO-PCM would be my choices. 3-MeO-PCP for stimulating mania, 2-OxO-PCM for sedating numb.

 

[Ziiirp]

Until now I must conclude, that it has preferable short/middleterm after effects. So I'm leaning more towards "medicinal" applicableness of this compound, while the onset effects are neutral/weird for me.

 

[Ziiirp]

Ingested 2-4 mg (tiny eyeballed dose) orally today and it works suprisingly well in accordance with the intention of inducing a mild dissociated mind state without the physical impairment and exuberant euphoria. There is still hope for this compound. :D

 

[crOOk]

well yeah, this is the interesting part. 2 Monts ago i was on 10mg every day for a week,but i found that simply too much. And for now i think o-pce is a stake in my life, from which i can grow out and live without afterwards hopefully. What do you think crook? I guess you are one step farther from my consume behaviour, or?

Oh yes I am. I remember thinking the same thing for months. Shit I even tried to use ketamine as an antidepressant after years of use. Now there is no class of drugs (except for cannabis) that I am more addicted to. The costs and risks I've taken to use dissociatives are absolutely shocking to my non-fiending self.

I've seen this happen to many others eventhough I've seen more people who were perfectly fine with their recreational use. For those doing them on a regular basis that ratio seems to shift towards the former group though.

One thing I would recommend is keeping of your use in a calendar, especially if you are seriously using dissociatives on a regular basis regardless of whether it's intended as self medication or as a recreational thing. Try to find rules for your maximum frequency of use and minimum distance between doses. Then try to stick to those rules be astounded by the ability of your brain to rationalize breaking them. :D

 

[MSK]

Oh yes I am. I remember thinking the same thing for months. Shit I even tried to use ketamine as an antidepressant after years of use. Now there is no class of drugs (except for cannabis) that I am more addicted to. The costs and risks I've taken to use dissociatives are absolutely shocking to my non-fiending self.

I've seen this happen to many others eventhough I've seen more people who were perfectly fine with their recreational use. For those doing them on a regular basis that ratio seems to shift towards the former group though.

One thing I would recommend is keeping of your use in a calendar, especially if you are seriously using dissociatives on a regular basis regardless of whether it's intended as self medication or as a recreational thing. Try to find rules for your maximum frequency of use and minimum distance between doses. Then try to stick to those rules be astounded by the ability of your brain to rationalize breaking them. :D

So easy to break self impossed rules about disso use for me... The only thing that works for me is, once I realize I started a binge and that I won't be able to control my use at all (Because once I start to hit it hardcore and daily, I'm not able to stop!) is to give my flatmate my disso stash and tell him not to give it back to me until 2-4 weeks.

You see, I need to have two different stash boxes: one for all my dissos, one for all the other drugs (Opiates, stimulants, psychedelics, benzos, GBL...) I can live without touching any of the non-dissociative drugs easily. I'm not able to control my use with any kind of disso

So stay safe, everyone has got his poison. You may think you are controlling it using it once weekly, but before you could realize you would be upping dosages, and doing it daily, justifying yourself because of taking it as a "therapeutic compound".

 

[crOOk]

So easy to break self impossed rules about disso use for me... The only thing that works for me is, once I realize I started a binge and that I won't be able to control my use at all (Because once I start to hit it hardcore and daily, I'm not able to stop!) is to give my flatmate my disso stash and tell him not to give it back to me until 2-4 weeks.

You see, I need to have two different stash boxes: one for all my dissos, one for all the other drugs (Opiates, stimulants, psychedelics, benzos, GBL...) I can live without touching any of the non-dissociative drugs easily. I'm not able to control my use with any kind of disso

So stay safe, everyone has got his poison. You may think you are controlling it using it once weekly, but before you could realize you would be upping dosages, and doing it daily, justifying yourself because of taking it as a "therapeutic compound".

I hear you!! I feel there is not enough information out there about the absolutly insane addictive potential that this vclas of drugs poses for some (!) of us. Ironically I never used much aside from psychedelics and cannabis when I was introduced to ketamine as another distinctively different type of psychedelic called a dissociatve.

That's why I thought of it as my personal gateway to 'hard drugs'. However I've come to realize it wouldn't get any more problematic than abusing dissociatives. They were also what got me started on needles.

I suppose they aren't objectively more addictive than opiates or stimulants, but fuck me if they aren't in my case.

EDIT: These threads clearly belong to the other drugs section. That's that place where people die for those unaware of it.

 

[vortech]

Well shit CrOOk that is dark.

Opiates were actually my gateway to dissos (I tried k and DXM a few times between 2000-2009 and it didnt do much for me), a stepping down in 'hardness' as I discovered they were more therapeutic, recreational and cost-effective compared to the opiate-life which was in fact a place where I would have died without the spiritual thirst-quenching effect MXE (and K to a degree) impressed on me, and I chose life.

 

[vortech]

Re: making a calendar for use, during my most effective periods of use I stuck pretty well to a calendar, at first non-intentionally, it was circumstantial as much as it was my intuition helping me. I always found myself having really strong peak experiences on Full Moon nights., and when the moon was new I was likely to be in an abstinence period. So if You break down 28 days into a recurrent cycle, there are lots of ways to do it, some I detail in my book in the 'yin-yang dosing' section, but for instance you could do 2 or 2 and a half days a week, keeping it to the weekends. You could do more consistent dosing for 5 days in a row (if daytime, lower doses, if evening then higher doses but watch for the long stimulant tail with Eticyclidone), and then a 9 day abstinent period. Just some examples, and everyone will be different with their unique intentions and balancing techniques.

 

[crOOk]

I wish the same was true for me. Like I said none of these classes of drugs are objectively more addictive than the others. I am glad they were a lifesaver for you. Me I am just perplexed they haven't cost me mine yet. You just never know what's gonna happen when you start to use a drug.

 

[Ziiirp]

Thanks at everyone for the anecdotal warnings.

 

[Synthetic_Night]

I am really interested, what your goal was by ingesting it every day. I orally took 9mg today and one hour later I felt like having injected a few shots of Vodka for a little period, while my thinking was not impaired the slightest. I'm not sure, yet, whether it was influenced at all.

The main effect of this substance is motoric impairment, the after effects include mild (not annoying) stimulation. I cannot comprehend, how this drug can be utilized (yet).

to be honest? I finished my academic study and had a week for myself. I was really happy and enjoyed the whole week as much as i could .

But then i realizied, that i had things to be done and some important things are better done sober...

@ Crook:
thanks for the advice with the calendar. I will start one and tell about my experiences in about 3 weeks i guess.

cya!

 

[Ziiirp]

So no goals. All right, then.

Didn't know, that academic studies can be finished, ever. :D

In my view, this substance is the perfect pure dissociation device without noticable side effects (euphoria, sedation, stimulation) in the onset, after the comeup is over. Of cource the after effects are stimulating but this goes with every dissociative I've tried.

 

[Synthetic_Night]

Maybe I should better say i made my pharmacist's degree.... turned my hobby into my profession :D
Anyway, i find the onset kind of annoying by now.....it creates a trip none the less and also a speaking, thinking and moving impairment comes with it. For leaving reality it can be nice, but if you don't want to it is just a interesting side effect, in which you can't be productive or social...

 

[atlantis4eva]

I consumed about 13mg of o-pce last night and had terrible nausea and barfed a few times over the night. I ended up taking an etizolam to just relax and lay in bed until I fell asleep after a few hours of the drug wearing off. My partner took two doses of 16mg spaced 5 hours apart with zero negative reactions. I am wondering why I had such an adverse reaction this time. I've tried this drug twice before with great results but this time was way different and I still feel off this morning. I did not mix with any drugs except drank one beer at dinner a few hours before ingesting the o-pce so maybe alcohol had a weird reaction to my body chemistry? It's really frustrating because my bad reaction last night has turned me off to testing this one ever again. I think i'll just stick to my stash of MXE from now on... Anyone else get sick from this stuff?

 

[Xorkoth]

I'm not sure, but I remember in the MXE days, we'd occasionally have trips that just weren't the same, quite jarring or unpleasant. Dissociatives are tricky beasts.

 

[Ziiirp]

Maybe I should better say i made my pharmacist's degree.... turned my hobby into my profession :D

Congrats man, nice to hear ! Now allow yourself the longest possible hiatus and/or do some research on your own. %)

Anyway, i find the onset kind of annoying by now.....it creates a trip none the less and also a speaking, thinking and moving impairment comes with it. For leaving reality it can be nice, but if you don't want to it is just a interesting side effect, in which you can't be productive or social...

Exactly my thoughts. This compound cannot be utilized as well as other dissos. It feels like your life turns into an first person RPG game (without weapons in my case) and everyone you meet is an NPC and most of the time I am overwhelmed by the dialogue choices, because I cannot get any pleasure from conversations and nothing does really matter. Until now I am not sure, whether it is not slightly useful as utility for concentration in ultra low doses.

I consumed about 13mg of o-pce last night and had terrible nausea and barfed a few times over the night. I ended up taking an etizolam to just relax and lay in bed until I fell asleep after a few hours of the drug wearing off. My partner took two doses of 16mg spaced 5 hours apart with zero negative reactions. I am wondering why I had such an adverse reaction this time. I've tried this drug twice before with great results but this time was way different and I still feel off this morning. I did not mix with any drugs except drank one beer at dinner a few hours before ingesting the o-pce so maybe alcohol had a weird reaction to my body chemistry? It's really frustrating because my bad reaction last night has turned me off to testing this one ever again. I think i'll just stick to my stash of MXE from now on... Anyone else get sick from this stuff?

I only took 9mg orally (my highest oral dose) and also felt incredibly sick during the comeup. Did not have to vomit, but it was close, and I rarely get sick. I have to add, that I was not in the best physical condition beforehand (had diarrhea but without nausea), at all. Did not have physical side effects via nasal ROA.

 

[atlantis4eva]

I only took 9mg orally (my highest oral dose) and also felt incredibly sick during the comeup. Did not have to vomit, but it was close, and I rarely get sick. I have to add, that I was not in the best physical condition beforehand (had diarrhea but without nausea), at all. Did not have physical side effects via nasal ROA.

I drank a redbull beforehand and those drinks have 2-3x daily vitamin B so maybe thats why I got so sick? Next time I will have to be totally clean from everything even vitamins I suppose. My partner loves the chem though it is definitely a gem.

 

[crOOk]

I consumed about 13mg of o-pce last night and had terrible nausea and barfed a few times over the night. I ended up taking an etizolam to just relax and lay in bed until I fell asleep after a few hours of the drug wearing off. My partner took two doses of 16mg spaced 5 hours apart with zero negative reactions. I am wondering why I had such an adverse reaction this time. I've tried this drug twice before with great results but this time was way different and I still feel off this morning. I did not mix with any drugs except drank one beer at dinner a few hours before ingesting the o-pce so maybe alcohol had a weird reaction to my body chemistry? It's really frustrating because my bad reaction last night has turned me off to testing this one ever again. I think i'll just stick to my stash of MXE from now on... Anyone else get sick from this stuff?

It's the beer. I use to puke hard whenever I combined even the smallest of alcohol doses with ketamine.