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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-DMT Thread - Second Launch

I am going to be getting gifted 5-meo-dmt this week hopefully. I have a fair bit of experience with nn-DMT, but none with the 5-meo variety, which to be perfectly frank scares me shitless (based on the trip reports). I have reached a crossroads in my life where I feel I need a psychedelic experience such as that 5-meo might offer. However, I am undergoing a BIT of stress (lost my job, I wasn't particularly attached to it but it is certainly going to cause me relationship problems with my family). I also have being going pretty heavy on the drugs recently - I gave up a 2/3 month heavy opiate habit, and have used heroin and cocaine this past week (currently off but been plugging DHC so not exactly sober).

I am however experienced with psychedelics, and feel I need this experience at this time. Would I be OK to go ahead, and am I correct in saying there shouldn't be any issue in having a small amount of opiate in my system just to remain baseline if nothing else. I could maybe do a trial run with nn-DMT to ensure no disaster trips, but I don't know if that will make much difference given the different nature of the compounds.

Also, what is the best way to vape? I've heard that it chases off foil pretty effectively given that the dose is so low, but I don't know if that would be sufficient for getting the full amount in my lungs at once (I am keen to breakthrough as I think I may only be receiving the single dose). If foil is inefficient, what is a good method that won't break the bank and ideally won't require any online ordering. (No real headshop type places in my area, might be able to pick up some cheap bongs or pipes).

Many thanks
 
1. If you do it right, you will go far enough out that your current life circumstances will not really be with you;

2. If you are regularly doing opiates take your regular dose or slightly more;

3. The only really worthwhile way to do it IMO is with a glass bulb ("meth") pipe, or, failing that, a crack pipe ("rose.") You should probably be able to find one or the other.
 
So snorting it is a no go? I have the potential to acquire some 5-meo; however, I can't afford more than maybe 500-1000mg of the stuff, and it would be in HCL form. With such a small amount of material, would it be wasteful to try and turn it into a freebase? I see you advocating 5-meo as an essential psychedelic SKL, and so at some point I do want to try it... I just worry about wasting it... or freaking the hell out on it!
 
4. Are you sure what you are being offered is in fact a salt? I don't believe it used to be often offered that way. In fact if memory serves the freebase has been mislabeled as the salt before; this should be able to cleared up quite quickly in the obvious manner.

5. Few people have or are going to have good time with parenteral use. Including snorting. You really need to smoke this material, and for the love of God, just don't toss it on top of marijuana or smoke it in improper glasswear. What you have is one of the most important psychedelic drugs out there, tragically rare these days as I am given to understand, it would be practically a sin to waste it. You need to smoke it like crack or MA, not like pot or a casual hit or two of "regular" DMT-laced marijuana or "changa" leaves.

6. I am shit-tired of psychedelics, regret for the most part that entire chapter of my life during which I took them seriously subjectively, and 5-MeO-DMT is a pretty much the only psychedelic I'd bother to post or even think much about about these days, yet alone contemplate doing, and therfore possibly an exception, so, yes, I guess this is in fact a pretty ringing endorsement.

7. People who freak out usually do either to little or too much—not a very helpful statement maybe, but one that should underlie the reason why smoking is the essential RoA and others are bad news.

8. Adding a little foundation of a traditional psychedelic or even a dissociative is not a bad idea—perhaps counter-intuitively will reduce the possibility of a negative experience by rendering the thunderclap transition from sobriety to psychedelia less of a shock—for this subject but also for general reference, see my trip report, which included both.
 
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You were talking about IM, any experiences on that front?

And it's definitely only the salt that is doing the rounds these days.
 
kidklmx said:
You were talking about IM, any experiences on that front?

And it's definitely only the salt that is doing the rounds these days.
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I not be surprised if it would be lovely if dosage were not under- or over-shot, but this would worry me, and i.m. was, generally speaking always my favorite RoA for psychedelics including 5-MeO-DMT's almost infinitely more forgiving cousin (and much more distant a cousin than people often imply), DMT. I generally advocate not comparing these substances at all, though, except perhaps for duration. I'd still recommend smoking 5-MeO-DMT. Conversion is easy enough.
 
SKL said:
1. If you do it right, you will go far enough out that your current life circumstances will not really be with you;

2. If you are regularly doing opiates take your regular dose or slightly more;

3. The only really worthwhile way to do it IMO is with a glass bulb ("meth") pipe, or, failing that, a crack pipe ("rose.") You should probably be able to find one or the other.
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I've had good success with sandwhiching DMT freebase between herbs in a bong, would this seem like a reasonable way of using the 5-meo-DMT or would the smaller dosage mean you could risk getting less substance in your lungs per hit. I live in the UK, don't really see meth pipes about much as meth has never really taken off here. I'm sure I'll find a suitable way though nonetheless. Cheers for the advice on the other points, so slightly upping the opiate dose will do absolutely nothing to detract from the experience? (makes sense now I think of it, its freaking 5-meo-dmt afterall)!
 
^ Don't do this. You want 5-MeO-DMT alone and titration of 5-MeO-DMT alone, not "hot spots" on random herbs, and particularly not marijuana. You can make a quite satisfactory "meth pipe" out of a lightbulb.
 
Snorting works wonders on this one. Less scary, more euphoric. Smoking can be a bit too much intense fast. So just slowly titrate. Smoking on a light bulb or a water bong use to work great, but as said, snorting is way gentler and less fiendish.

I haven´t tried to plugin it, but could be the best ROA
 
Snorting and i.m. are probably pretty equivalent but honestly I haven't tried either, only smoking which allows a little room for up-titration if you dose too low; as I've said before both too low and too high are uncomfortable. Smoking or i.m. may be as the poster above me states worthwhile if you get the dosing right, though, if you're new to the compound that may be tricky. I don't advocate plugging of anything for a variety of reasons but that's a different tangent.
 
Yeah, I'm 99% certain it's the hyrdochloride salt, the person I'd be getting it from is always stand up about these things. My real question though, is since you advocate the smoking ROA so much SKL, would I have to use the whole gram or half gram in the conversion to freebase, or could I try it with a smaller amount? It's not really a cheap substance like I said, and I would hate to mess things up and lose product or waste any.
 
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The smaller the quantity, the bigger the losses relatively speaking... especially if you are not doing a full A/B type conversion in a funnel and everything.

Also I think 5-MeO-DMT should be more resistant to degradation when smoking compared to plain trypts like DMT... but whether it's worth just leaving it the salt is very hard to just guess.

Then again for specifically 5-MeO-DMT, I never smoked it myself but I did snort and IM it lol.
 
Looks like tomorrow is likely gonna be the day for me, been intrigued by this one for ages and I feel like the timing in my life is right (not that my life is ideal, far from it... I feel like I need a drastic change of perspective).

The biggest thing that is worrying me at the moment is the pre trip nerves. I often get them pretty bad with nnDMT, along with a wave of panic as the effects take hold. However, this usually subsides with the beauty of the trip. I am somewhat confident 5-meo will be similar in this regard assuming I get the dosage right (I'm thinking 8-9mg?), but the heavier nature of the way the trip is described is giving me the fear.

I will probably take a low dose of an opiate (just enough to ensure no discomfort as I've been daily dosing for over a week, mostly low doses on DHC). I also have diazepam on hand, but would like to avoid anything that is going to fuck with my memory/clarity of trip too much, which I guess will be the case with diaz.

I've come across some positive reports of MDMA and 5-meo combinations. It seems that this combo eliminates the pre flight anxiety and unpleasant bodyload, and makes for a glorious trip. This is consistent with my experience comboing DMT with MDMA - no fear whatsoever, pure bliss. However, the experience was notably different in that case.

Can anyone chime in on whether combining MDMA with 5-meo will alter/diminish the quality of the experience in an undesirable way? If it is at all possible to dose on MDMA and get the full ++++ 5-meo experience that gives it the reputation it has, without any notable detrimental effects (difficulty remembering the experience), then I'd almost certainly go for it. I will have access to more than one dose of the 5-meo, so perhaps I could use with MDMA first time to ease nerves then without thereafter?

Or am I better off just biting the bullet and doing the first dose sans MDMA?

Christ, I've rarely had such conflicted feelings about a substance, I'm basically pooing myself with both fear and excitement at the same time and I haven't even smoked it yet
 
Yes, combining with MDMA can be rewarding even +4.

No, don't do it your first time. I like to think drugs are often best experienced alone to get a sense of them, although I've not always held to that myself.

Use enough of your usual opiate to get a slight buzz and go from there.
 
People exagerate a bit with 5-meo. The scary stories are kind of mythical. 5-meo is one of my faves, I have done grams of it and in my experience you can titrate the dose both snorting or smoking it. As I said, snorting is way more gentler. Also, 8-9 mgs is a bit too much without tolerance, I would go to 5-6mg, wait for the plateau and decide if you want more/ extend the duration, which will be like YESS, OF COURSE!

The trip is way too short for a benzo to do something. The journey is 15-30min only.

Combining with MDMA is great, but as said, better try it alone for the first time, or with a light opiate in your case.

Enjoy the hyperdimensional velocity!!!
 
Right, point taken re the MDMA.

Is 8/9mg really too high? I am wanting a guaranteed breakthrough, and don't really want to have to make my mind up mid comeup as to whether I should keep dosing. I have that problem with regular DMT so can't imagine 5-meo being any different.
 
In my experience, it works best to get in into your system as quickly as possible. If I vaporize a little at first and try to intensify by doing more, it seems to take exponentially more material to get there, if I really get "there" at all. Extending works a little better, but still I would advise to vaporize it as quickly as possible.

I've snorted both the freebase and the HCl and both felt like a burning pike was shoved up my nostrils. Aside from that, it worked well. The trip starts slower and lasts a bit longer, but I prefer vaporizing.

Personally, in your case, I would try to get a little more and first vaporize a threshold dose. Then a couple of days/week later go for the full blast.
 
immad said:
Personally, in your case, I would try to get a little more and first vaporize a threshold dose. Then a couple of days/week later go for the full blast.
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Thing is, while I realise you can't rush these things, I have mentally set myself up for doing this - and doing it the whole way. Additionally, while I know the trip wont solve my extranious life problems, I was wanting to do it in the next few days as I have found myself in a difficult position and I suppose I am hoping for some perspective (or at the very least, a bit of an afterglow). Possibly wishful thinking, but that is where I'm at nonetheless.

Also, I was under the impression from reading numerous posts in this thread that sub-breakthrough doses are for many (particularly the uninitiated) uncomfortable and pointless?
 
Hexagon Sun said:
People exagerate a bit with 5-meo. The scary stories are kind of mythical.
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Yes

ordinary mind said:
I have found myself in a difficult position and I suppose I am hoping for some perspective (or at the very least, a bit of an afterglow). Possibly wishful thinking, but that is where I'm at nonetheless.
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You won''t find the former but will probably find the latter. The experience is profound, spiritual, but content-free, if that makes sense (although I believe that all psychedelics are 'content-free;' this one is to a special degree, which is, in fact, why its one of my favorites.)

Also, I was under the impression from reading numerous posts in this thread that sub-breakthrough doses are for many (particularly the uninitiated) uncomfortable and pointless?
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Yes, underdosing with this one can be distinctly uncomfortable unlike with a lot of others where underdosing is just a weird buzz.

ordinary mind said:
Is 8/9mg really too high? I am wanting a guaranteed breakthrough, and don't really want to have to make my mind up mid comeup as to whether I should keep dosing. I have that problem with regular DMT so can't imagine 5-meo being any different.
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No, given the rest of the post

immad said:
In my experience, it works best to get in into your system as quickly as possible.
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Yes
 
Hmmm... 3 attempts so far, each one starts with that tryptamine rush as if something big is about to happen and then it doesn't really go anywhere. I'm blaming this on my poor smoking technique but I simply don't have access to a meth or crack pipe. Anyway, I've thrown in a tab of 1pLSD to see if dissolving my ego beforehand a bit might help.

Obviously chasing off foil isn't working (as you told me SKL, I didn't doubt you just overestimated my chasing on foil skilzz). Anyone know of a better way that doesn't involve a bong or pipe? I'm happy to improv with household objects.

I DO have an atmos vaporisor, only trouble is I don't know the vap temp that this thing reaches. Maybe if I mixed it in with a small amount of hass/ash this would be a viable way forward?

Please help bluelight, I really want the breakthrough experience.
 
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