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Well maybe that's it. That's how we all have been doing it over here (some for many years, not that any of us do nitrous very often).
 
yeah that sensation completely makes sense if you're doing it right out of the charger. i don't know a ton about gas chemistry, but its explainable by pretty basic stuff there... gas pressure is inversely proportional to gas temperature. when the nitrous comes out of the charger it switches from that condensed/compressed canister and expands to a much bigger volume. the temperature then, naturally, goes wayyyy down. all the water vapor (and simple sugars from your vape residue) in your lungs is probably literally freezing when you take hits right from the charger.
 
Had an amazing LSD party with friends last weekend - never took that much on a social setting before (3 hits), it was so fucking fun :D lots of laughter, actually me and my friend laughed so hard that it got little uncomfortable hahaha. Laughter overdose
 
300mcg 1P-LSD - hour twelve and a half till hour fifteen and a half.
Talking about residual stimulation!

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Nitrous is about -40C when it's released. I don't think gas chemistry completely applies, cause of the physics that you first have a semi- normalization in the charger where there is quite some quick heating up, which levels out. Doing it directly out of the canister itself seems so dangerous that I don't think we're really talking about that - the pressure is so huge that it would rupture your lungs anyway.. which can even happen from the canister so a small degree! So the pressure is unhealthy also!

I don't think your lungs would so easily freeze, because the temperature coefficient of the gas itself is probably limited, the surface area of the lungs so huge... and there is some pre-heating if you inhale quite slowly. If you do it fast it's definitely the most harmful.

But despite it being more complex than your lungs instantly becoming just a few degrees above absolute zero, absolutely - use balloons or hope that the damage is not more rapid than smoking a cigarette...
 
Do you guys ever get auditory hallucinations? Yesterday, early in the morning on 1P-LSD I suddenly decided I didn't want to listen to music anymore, so I turned everything off, the lights too, and lay on my bed. I noticed some birds chirping outside and in a matter of minutes it didn't sound like a few birds chirping anymore, but like an almost deafening array of birds, insects, rustling leafs and whatnot like I was in the middle of a tropic rainforest, even some strange drums playing in the far distance. Pretty crazy :D.
 
This was a bad movie but the clip offers some alternative explanations:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDYEath1m0w

and something I used to listen to a long time ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyYq7PD3bmw

I got auditory hallucinations plenty of times, but usually more like distortions and not the imagination of a whole 'theme'. More like voices becoming super weird and caricaturesque. I did hallucinate an alien safari listening to this on foxy and K:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bazQz14O0lo

Your 'strategy' was excellent and basically sensory deprivation, by the way - which can amplify any input left up high to fill up the 'void'.
 
Whoa, tripping tripping hard on shrooms, getting into Amazon spaces...

when I close my eyes, I see all the same visuals as I do on Ayahuasca. The snake is long, seven miles.....Spinning wheels got to go round' ride a painted pony let the spinning wheels round. Boom chakalaka blue light. It's gnarly on shrooms. Like far gnarlier, than Ayahuasca. Get down, get down, get down.
 
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So, it's taken a while for it to really get to the forefront of my mind, but I've become really interested by the fact you seem to practically never post in this thread about taking like less than three or four hallucinogens at once, with some of the same drugs showing up a lot. I'm curious, what are the experiences like that you're generally aiming for? With doses like 25 mg of 2C-D and 10 mg of 4-HO-MiPT, I can only imagine that I would not feel the full signature of either, which to me is like the primary goal of tripping and the reason I usually don't add in more than modulatory substances like cannabis and nitrous oxide to my primary psychoactive. Are you just trying to make like a really great high out of the individual parts or do these substances actually synergize quite well in a hallucinogenic way as well?
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I have been thinking about this for a few days. I have realized that most of my trips after I started keeping multiple psychedelic substances on hand have involved... multiple psychedelic substances. There are different reasons for different scenarioa I suppose.

An early example. First trip on 4 aco dmt. Took 30mg oral and was pretty underwhelmed. Always a bit hardheaded, so I figured it would be like that, but didnt wanna go over 30mg just in case. Sniffed another 10mg to not much affect. Only had 60mg left and didntwantto waste it, so I took some mxe. Was like "holy fuck this is awesome, most I have tripped all night." Had a good amoint of 2c c, so I decided to dose some of that with mxe to see if anything much happened. Noticed much more affcect redosing different substance than the same. At the time I worked like 55 hours a week and school, so not much free time. Wanted to keep tripping, decided dosing the 2c e I had just got (and never used either) wouod be a good idea. It was! All was well until the 4th redose when the proverbial shit hit the fan, but thats another story.

What that taught me was, mixing substances makes redosing much more effective. It seems to generally hold true for me, YMMV.

I have had the textbook +4 experiences, both "positive", and "negative". I have slowly weened off the compulsion to make every trip into a +4. Especially in public places, low dose is good. Just a little somethin to make things interesting. So mixing and not getting "the full spectrum" doesnt bother me so much, as there is aleays next time. Usually not more than a week or three away.

I think most all psychedelics mix pretty well. I do not even count the dissos as combos because I always use them when I trip, it is my preference. DPT is a wildcard though. Mixing other psychedelics with that is a crapshoot. Can get realllllly intense.

I dunno, maybe I am just a recklezs hedonist? Maybe it feels like the one period of my time where I get to really be me, so I want to enjou it as fully as possible. Being a natural hardhead with tolerance makes it tricky, because sometimes a low dose kicks my ass. Sometimes it doesnt do shit. So i like to start small and work up. This goes back to my original story about redosing. For me, multiple substances are needed.

The same drugs show up a lot because I usually try and buy at least half gram- gram amounts of things I am pretty sure to like. Things like escaline and LSD i pretty mich only like outside with shit to do. I like to add onto those around hours 6-8 when main trip is dying off, but want to keep going. Shorter acting psych dies off when most of main psychs residual stimulation is dying, so that works well.

I tried to candyflip because everyone said it was so fucking great. Was a misreable 10 hours laying in my bed having the most terrifying trip ever. Realized I would have been much better off to combine mdma with dpt again. Holy fuck. I did 2-3x as much DPT as I would have been comfortable with otherwise. Sat there meditating while just dealing with shit that would have had me running for the hills any other time.

I hope this answer helps.
 
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Just catching up with the last few pages of this thread, man you guys are some awesome pioneering psychonauts! I wish I could respond to everyone but to Kaleida I particularly love your description of categorizing all the different 4-subbed tryptamines in a color-coded fashion, as well as throwing in other tryptamines for relative comparison.

I want to expand my book, the section that talks about combining dissociatives with tryptamines because they really are the psychonautical holy grail, with so many different tryptamines and dissociatives out there these days we need a way to collectively compile their interactions, like with some sort of collaborative website/forum/wiki where we can compile all this phenomenological data- I mention in my book about wanting to create this nexus, for I myself have only tried a relative few different tryptamines, and mostly only with MXE as the adjunct, but I have noticed that there is a spectrum that we could probably plot out in some sort of 4-dimensional graph that links the synergies between dissociative-tryptamine combinations. And I need not mention also the 2c phenethylamines as some others have more thoroughly researched, as another spectrum of combinations with dissociatves. It's a potential for a book unto itself!
 
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Shulgin really cleared the path for us in his TIHKAL and PIHKAL books, but the componant he left out in his experiments was adjuncting all of these tryptamines and phenethylamines with all the possible dissociatives that are out there now.
 
vortech said:
Shulgin really cleared the path for us in his TIHKAL and PIHKAL books, but the componant he left out in his experiments was adjuncting all of these tryptamines and phenethylamines with all the possible dissociatives that are out there now.
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I've always been curious about that. I've never read any opinion from Shulgin about dissociatives. Just an interview in which he casually mentions something about people having sex on Ketamine. But yeah, I wonder what he though of this class of drugs, surely a few decades back there where only a few couple of dissociatives avaliable, but he must have at least heard of PCP, DXM, K ... Wonder why he neglected them so much in his psychonautic endeavors.
 
Shulgin talks in PiHKAL about hating dissociatives. mostly based on experiments with Romilar (old DXM tablets).

says they don't lead to true insight, they are only useful for people who are trying to understand the mechanics of the human brain.
 
Wonder if he ever holed on ketamine. I would've said that dissociatives are shit if I had only tried DXM and puked my guts out. I also think that dissosciatives need some experimenting before you really get what they're all about, or that's how it was for me when I started using methoxetamine.

But then some people just dont like dissos
 
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Yeah, dissociatives are kind of an acquired taste, my first couple of trials with MXE left me thinking "WTF'S THIS SHIT I JUST FELT RETARDED!?" but the more you get used to the headspace the more profound it feels

(On a sidenote, I found this to be true with cannabis too, which I think to actually have a slight disso character in a way)

And yeah, a DIHKAL (or an AIHKAL?) would have been awesome, but the upside is that we get to live the golden age of arylcyclohexylamines in this current moment, I guess.
 
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