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[Tranced]

^ Anything written by Dawkins that you would recommend in particular? I thought about buying "The Selfish Gene" a few times, but haven't got around to it.

I found the Selfish Gene incredibly boring. On the plus side I get to pretend I know a bit about evolution, and just kind of try and remember what Dawkins said. I get to reference Dawkins too, as if we were old colleagues.

 

[Kaleida]

In that case, you want DMT + Caapi. Perhaps DMT with a synthetic MAOI like moclobemide would do it too -- I've never tried it. But vaporized DMT after sublingual caapi extract produces easily the most detailed, vivid, colorful psychedelic geometry I've ever seen. No competition. Here's a report I wrote about one such experience.

That sounds like quite an experience, thanks for sharing that. Sadly, I have not yet been able to reach a point such as that with DMT, though it's been a couple of years since I've gotten to smoke it now and in that time other tryptamines have opened up much more of their hyperspatial sides to me. I am also expecting to have much DMT be available to me again finally within the next few months, so perhaps I will be able to remedy this. And I do not have any caapi at the moment, but I actually do have some moclobemide that I've been waiting to try for something like this....

Very unexpectedly, the very next day after making that last post I actually ended up getting some mind-blowing geometry from a measly 8 mg of 5-MeO-MiPT as well. It surpassed anything that I have ever gotten on any other substance period, particularly when factoring in the visual intensity versus the overall feeling of strength of the dose; I don't think I would have even be able to follow all of it if there weren't so much synesthesia, I could feel every tiny detail of it being drawn out as if it were a part of myself. It was closed eye only whereas the trip itself did not really make any effort to keep me focused on that, and it was not immersive the way your DMT trip was, instead being more just like an unbelievably detailed work of art, but even given all that, what I got out of it was extremely satisfying and actually paired with the rest of the trip quite well.

Now, I am just left with an even greater desire than I had before to go exploring more of that hyperspace. I feel like I've once more opened up a new domain of my consciousness which I now need to nurture and secure my connection to.

Have feeling I will become a regular in this thread. I does every/every other week.

Hey, welcome to the forum and thread. I'm looking forward to what you have to contribute. I also found this thread quite nice when I first signed up and was dosing more regularly.

 

[tokezu]

I found the Selfish Gene incredibly boring. On the plus side I get to pretend I know a bit about evolution, and just kind of try and remember what Dawkins said. I get to reference Dawkins too, as if we were old colleagues.

Haha, that's something at least. So I guess you found his writing style boring or was it the subject matter?

 

[Cotcha Yankinov]

Hi guys and girls, I thought I would ask if there is a general consensus on how much to limit disassociative/NMDA antagonist use. I've heard a range of once every 2 weeks to once every month is a good range.

Also, does anyone here have any experience with memantine for recreational or more medicinal purposes? Weird to think that's an NMDA antagonist you're supposed to take every day medicinally, but maybe the therapeutic dosage is so low it would never cause the sort of intellectual problems that are associated with disso abuse even if you took it every day for years?

Thanks for any input.

 

[vortech]

Hi guys and girls, I thought I would ask if there is a general consensus on how much to limit disassociative/NMDA antagonist use. I've heard a range of once every 2 weeks to once every month is a good range.

Also, does anyone here have any experience with memantine for recreational or more medicinal purposes? Weird to think that's an NMDA antagonist you're supposed to take every day medicinally, but maybe the therapeutic dosage is so low it would never cause the sort of intellectual problems that are associated with disso abuse even if you took it every day for years?

Thanks for any input.

Not easy to answer because everyone is different in their reaction to dissos, and there is wide variety of different drugs in this class. First it depends what dissociative you have in mind, or if you plan on cycling a bunch of different dissociatives. The benefit of that is for variety and the fact that tolerance doesnt cross over completely so it will keep your receptors on their toes. One strong trip every 2 weeks for all intents and purposes should be very safe. Smaller doses could be used more frequently. If you tend to redose or get blasted on a day-long or multiple day binge, once a month should insulate from side effects and tolerance.
It really depends on what you seek to get out of the therapy. For antidepressant effects i.e. more for the aftereffects and less for the primary philosophical introspective hallucinogenic tripping, one dose a week should keep you in an afterglow pretty consistently without fear of tolerance build-up.

On the other hand, dosing could be pushed quite a bit more frequently in my opinion, and I speak from personal experience trying to be dissociated to the limit of effective use, riding the line between psychosis and aggressively therapeutic and recreational effects. As a ratio of on days to off days, 1:2 should be the max, but 1:4 will better insulate from tolerance build-up and side effects which can also be mitigated by cycling between for instance K, 3-meo-pcp and MXE.

Memantine is a bit different from the others because it is approved for daily use, but that is for Alzheimer's not as a depression treatment. It will likely lose positive antidepressant effects after some time when used daily. It is more for stimulating neurogenesis and neural plasticity to combat Alzheimer's. Please correct me if I am wrong as that is an educated guess.

 

[Kaleida]

Also, does anyone here have any experience with memantine for recreational or more medicinal purposes? Weird to think that's an NMDA antagonist you're supposed to take every day medicinally, but maybe the therapeutic dosage is so low it would never cause the sort of intellectual problems that are associated with disso abuse even if you took it every day for years?

I've used memantine recreationally. 20 mg is already enough for some significant hallucinogenic effects for me when combined with cannabis, but I have almost no dissociative tolerance at all because basically the only one I use normally is nitrous oxide while on psychedelics. The only other dissociatives I've used are ketamine and DXM; I found it to be the most euphoric, clearheaded, visual, and colorful of them, but it also seemed to have the least potential to really take me too far out of reality. It is also known to have some potential to turn dysphoric in higher doses for some people, though my friends and I have not been bothered by it yet. Personally, I enjoy it because it feels more like a psychedelic than other dissociatives do to me, but my major deterrent with it is the long duration. I can still feel it coming down, including brief flashes of trippy mental imagery and things again, for a good few days after dosing.

As for why it doesn't seem to cause as many problems at medical doses, I do know that it apparently is somewhat selective for extrasynaptic NMDA receptors, which I've heard can reduce the neurotoxic side effects of NMDA antagonism. However, I do not know anything deeper about it than that, and it's been a while since I read about those things.

 

[Cotcha Yankinov]

Thanks for the input My main issue is insomnia, I'm curious if you guys have any experience using NMDA antagonists to sleep or are they just too stimulating for that? DXM was slightly sedating for me and I managed to achieve "silence in the head" so to speak, which is very rare for me. Usually the voice in my head is constantly talking and worrying about whatever when I should be sleeping, and I do my best to practice meditation but I found that DXM + meditation was a much stronger combo than meditation alone.

 

[xammy]

I really liked vaping 5-meo-mipt! I don't know how much I vaped but I redosed many many times during the night. Maybe over 40-50mg. Not very healthy I guess but it was lots of fun and lots of euphoria haha. Did it with a group of friends and almost everyone was on mipt. I haven't really vaporized psychedelics outside of DMT so pretty novel experience.

 

[pharmakos]

what technique did you use to vape it? was it the salt or the freebase?

 

[xammy]

what technique did you use to vape it? was it the salt or the freebase?

I used this. I have no idea which one it is..

 

[yepyepwoah]

Went to a concert this week and took about 20-25mg 2c d with two 25mg mxe doses. Dosed the 2c d before I left the house. Hit about when I got to the show, waz good to drive home about 3.5 hours later. Was really nice.

Just enough for the psychedelic edge, without being unable to interact. Was at a metal show witb the band I wanted to see playing an older album all the way through. Thebuildupand energy release as they started playing was unreal. Felt like I was at aome kind of magic rite/ceremony... Then again whose to say I wasnt?

The more I take 2c d the more it feelz like "mine". Its not pushy or ober the top, it just kind of opens you to what is available to you anyway.

 

[pharmakos]

what band was it?

 

[TheAppleCore]

WOW... That's amazing... I'm so happy...!!!


I took 100 ug LSD today, and, guess what? In a sense, you were never born in the first place, nor will you ever die! Because your physical "body" is not a real event, with a beginning and an end. Your body is an abstraction that only exists in your mind, as a collection, or category, of real events, like breaths and heartbeats.

You could say that you're "born" with your first heartbeat, and you die with your last. But that's an arbitrary boundary. You could also argue that you're born with your first thought, and you die with your last. When exactly you're born, when exactly you die, and who exactly you are, are decided purely based on the convenience of language. If you examine a fetus, you will see no immediate change after its first heartbeat, to manifest this arbitrary "birth".

 

[lilroldy]

Ald52 chit chat

About to be dosing approximately 175ugs of some ald52 I have acquired, I personally have enjoyed this substance alot lately due to the lack of anxiety during the come up and a clearer headspace overall. Which most people know lsd can be quite antsy like nost psychedelics during there come up, and me already being pre disposed to anxiety disorders, ald has suited me alot more lately.
I'm making this thread because I want to hear others opinion on this substance compared to mine and also for conversation of general psychedelic use for other bluelighters lately.

 

[TheChief]

Just stopped by and figured I'd ask if anyone else here has experienced a specific effect while on psychs. During my first shroom trip I was laying on the floor and I heard this ringing that got louder and louder till it shot from my ears throughout the rest of my body causing an orgasm like sensation as it traveled through me. This went on for about 5 minutes or so (hard to tell) and would happen about every 10-20 seconds coming in waves.

 

[yepyepwoah]

Pharmakos, the band was Darkest Hour, 20 year anniversary tour. They played "undoing ruin" in its entirety plus some more. At The Gates worship at its best

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I'm making this thread because I want to hear others opinion on this substance compared to mine and also for conversation of general psychedelic use for other bluelighters lately.

Well friend, we have the ALD-52 thread already for the purpose of providing an outlet for general information and reports of the drug, and we have our PD Social Tripping thread in place for just such a topic as that of this thread. I'm gonna move this to the social tripping thread, you'll find plenty of like minded folks there

 

[pharmakos]

Pharmakos, the band was Darkest Hour, 20 year anniversary tour. They played "undoing ruin" in its entirety plus some more. At The Gates worship at its best

oh nice! i completely forgot about that band, but i used to listen to Hidden Hands of a Sadist Nation a lot back in high school. i should get back into them.

 

[psy997]

Just stopped by and figured I'd ask if anyone else here has experienced a specific effect while on psychs. During my first shroom trip I was laying on the floor and I heard this ringing that got louder and louder till it shot from my ears throughout the rest of my body causing an orgasm like sensation as it traveled through me. This went on for about 5 minutes or so (hard to tell) and would happen about every 10-20 seconds coming in waves.

I've experienced not exactly that, but similar, and talked to others who have experienced what sounds very close to if not that exactly. It's just energy flowing.

 

[Kaleida]

I had a realization about my experiences with synthetic tryptamines this morning: they are color-coded.

I have divided them into two groups, "red" trips and "blue" trips. These refer to the colors primarily used in the elementary visual effects of each tryptamine, and are very restrictive names for the sake of ease of discussion. All trips in my experience seem to have access to all colors, but my red trips seem to rely very heavily on reds, oranges, and yellows of varying intensity and brightness, whereas the blue trips use much more of the blues, indigos, and violets, and not uncommonly also lighter shades of pink; greens seem to be a wild card, appearing fairly commonly on both sides.

Though it may seem like too simplistic of an observation, the consistency of it is striking. I have had complex geometry that was identical in every way except for maybe the most insignificant details on both 4-HO-MET and 4-HO-MPT except for the fact that the former had it red and the latter had it blue, and I can say the same about MiPT and DiPT, respectively, and about 4-HO-DET and 4-HO-DPT. I would say that this kind of relationship interestingly seems to be a repeating pattern on its own as well, but first let me give the broad list. My red trips include 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-DET, MiPT, and 5-MeO-MiPT, and my blue trips include 4-HO-MPT, 4-HO-DPT, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-AcO-DALT, DiPT, and DALT. Given that I found 5-MeO-MiPT much closer to MiPT than to 4-HO-MiPT, I have a suspicion that 5-MeO-DiPT would be the blue to my 5-MeO-MiPT's red as well, but sadly I'm not really expecting to be able to have any idea on that any time soon.

So, what does it all mean? Well, first of all I'll say that I'm still trying to figure out how to best think about 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-AcO-DALT, and DALT, but my suspicion is that they may not really have red equivalents exactly. At the moment, I feel that they primarily give me the feeling of being like a somewhat different version of 4-HO-MPT for 4-HO-MiPT and 4-HO-DPT for both 4-HO-DiPT and 4-AcO-DALT, and though I have not yet tried DPT, I did find DiPT and DALT to be somewhat similar in this way too. This is all important to note I think because, while I do find what I'm going to say next to apply to these "unpaired" blue trips as well, it's the comparisons I can make between the other blue trips and their respective red trips that really seem to draw the differences in the subjective effects of these psychedelics to light to me.

Essentially, what it seems to come down to for me is that the red trips feel more "deliriant-like" whereas the blue trips feel more "dissociative-like". That is to say, at doses within a pair at which many of the elementary visuals are the same, the red trip for me seems much more likely to produce significant hallucinations of a structured or panoramic nature that not only can drastically increase the background complexity of the otherwise similar visuals but can even reach a level of falsely lucid-feeling immersion and believability, whereas the blue trip may be less interesting visually at the same level but still produces a significantly higher degree and completeness of inner visions, tending to be more likely to produce realistic (but still trippy) designs than those dense with geometry such as in the red trip, and this feels more likely to me to lead to out-of-body experiences where the immersion is distinctly different from if I was just interacting with hallucinations in the real world, but the subjective realization of how far away from reality I am is generally much greater.

I am still trying to wrap my head around more of what these relationships could imply, but for the moment I really just wanted to get this thought down somewhere before I continued to work on it. Has anyone else here noticed any of these sorts of patterns among their experiences? I really don't feel experienced enough with an array of lysergamides or phenethylamines to say whether or not this would apply to them as well, but from what experiences I do have with them so far I would imagine that a little bit of different logic may need to be applied.... So far, I would say that this is primarily, and very significantly a tryptamine thing for me.