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I can be that way sometimes but besides DXM, or salvia, I had already tripped possibly up to a thousand ish times before I ever really tried them both together. I had taken ketamine a couple of times when tripping, but that's a rarity. Once MXE rolled around I started doing disscociative psychedelic combos. They can feel like perfection once you've got your doses tweaked right. Where your not to far on one or the other, but where they meld perfectly at the middle ground. I've never got to the point where I didn't want to do one or the other really(since I don't buy MXE like I used too, I don't really like doing it alone as much as I used too but that's another story...). If I have both those dosing them simultaneously usually goes hand in hand but as long as I have enough of either, it's not that big of a deal... Unless I dose really high on MXE though, a strong hole dose of K is always stronger than MXE+a psyche but in a different sort of way.

I find them to sort of like ethanol and cigarettes. They go really well to each other and smooth out the experience as well as potentiate each other in a sense...

Also 240, don't fear 2c-E! It's a truly grand and beautiful feeling that can be increadibly euphoric! You know it's good when the "God father" of psychedelics thought to add it to the dirty half dozen when he had the chance to taste such an expansive amount of chemicals.
 
^Yeah, I've read how amazing 2C-E can be, hence why I'm gonna inevitably try it... it's just that the bodyload people report sounds pretty bad, and I already feel at times on LSD that there's a small child's fist in my intestines hahah. Guess I'll just have to dip in the waters and find out for myself!
 
I found my 2C-E to be about 5x as potent as 2C-T-7 by mass. I'm not sure if it's my particular sensitivity/metabolism, or a question of purity of my samples. 2C-E is great.

Which racetams do you guys like (if any)?

I've only tried piracetam. It seemed like it kicked my mind up a tiny notch, but it was hard to tell if it was placebo.
 
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240sxLover said:
^Yeah, I've read how amazing 2C-E can be, hence why I'm gonna inevitably try it... it's just that the bodyload people report sounds pretty bad, and I already feel at times on LSD that there's a small child's fist in my intestines hahah. Guess I'll just have to dip in the waters and find out for myself!
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I've only felt a negative BL from 2c-E once and it really could've been caused by multiple things. I've taken somewhere around five grams of 2c-E over the years too. Also lmao at that small child's fist description, that sucks! Is it actual pain or just a sort of twisting/discomfort?

PD, I can't remember well enough to say how exact or correct your statement is, but from my research pretty much everyone finds T-7 less potent than 2c-E. 2c-E is more like 10-40 mgs whereas T-7 is like 20-50mgs.
 
Xorkoth said:
Not much is known about DOiP... the dosage should be significantly higher than other DOXs. There are a few scattered reports. One person mentioned their friend (or them, can't remember or find it) had a breakthrough, amazing experience on 100mg. But I'd be VERY wary of taking that much of any DOX. I am going to work up really slowly with it, after an allergy test 5mg, then 10mg, then either 15 or 20. Hopefully something worthwhile will develop. It would be cool to have a short-acting DOX, though part of their charm to me is the duration.
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100 mg is a crazy amount! I'm happy to start expecting activity in the 20-30 mg range that Dr. Shulgin references. Hopefully it won't require that high of a dose. I personally like the idea of a short duration in this instance because I have not worked with the DOx family in many years and it would be nice to have a way to test my reactions to them now without it being an all day commitment.... However, since DOC is one I think I may have tried before without issue, it's still a good second option. I must say though that I do like the idea of having chemicals with both long and short durations in every class of psychedelics, for versatility reasons; I have yet to try any of the long-acting tryptamines like AMT, but I suspect that somewhere in there lies a gem for me for this reason.

240sxLover said:
I'm finally going to have the chance to try 2C-E soon, along with 4-FA. I'm a bit nervous about the 2C-E, not sure when I'll get around to taking it (I have little opportunity to trip these days, and 2C-E honestly just sounds... difficult). I'm pretty excited about the 4-FA though. If it's any good, it would come in handy for nights out dancing and the like. I haven't got much yet in my arsenal that's suitable for such activities.
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Lucky you! 2C-E is definitely one I have to cross off my to do list some day. I hope it goes smoothly. :)

yepyepwoah said:
I personally much prefer to combo mxe with any phen or tryp. Honestly, if I don't have any mxe, I don't even want to trip. The disso seems to smooth out the rough edges so to speak. Makes me more calm and able to focus without dealing with a million thought tangents.
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Oddly, I enjoy highs which calm my racing thoughts that I have while sober, but I actually really enjoy the sped up and scattered mind of psychedelics. It's part of the fun of it for me.

perpetualdawn said:
Which racetams do you guys like (if any)?

I've only tried piracetam. It seemed like it kicked my mind up a tiny notch, but it was hard to tell if it was placebo.
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Piracetam is the only one that ever did anything significant for me. Aniracetam gave me headaches.
 
Help?!?! said:
I've only felt a negative BL from 2c-E once and it really could've been caused by multiple things. I've taken somewhere around five grams of 2c-E over the years too. Also lmao at that small child's fist description, that sucks! Is it actual pain or just a sort of twisting/discomfort?
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More a twisting/discomfort usually. There was one time on 25i where my friend and I were both rolling around on the ground in agony for an hour or two, and maybe once or twice on LSD where for about half an hour all I could do was writhe in agony on my bed from the intestinal cramping. It's usually not a trip killer, but since 2C-E is famous for BL, I'm a bit nervous it could be worse than a half hour writhing-in-agony fest. I mean, every psych I've tried has caused intestinal cramping, but so far 25i was the most painful, and I'm hoping that 2C-E doesn't top it in the pain department.
 
It could possibly be the 5HT2c agonism many common psyches cause! Have you ever tried Ondanesteron or anything in that family? If I dose that right, stomach problems from even nearly two grams of mescaline on a full stomach will be no problem(I've never found a much more gastrointestinal irritant than good mesc!)! Also have you ever thought of plugging it? This almost always bypasses stomach issues and if it doesn't, it expedites the come up so it isn't as drastic!
 
Plugging helps a lot. I took 20mg 2 ce the other weekend plugged. I had a very slight and passing GI blip. That was about it. Taken it a few times previous always plugged and no GI issues or body discomfort really.

The less you have in your system the less that can be distressed. This doesn't meandont eat for a few hours, have an empty stomach, and you are cool. No, it means fast a day(water, fruit, fruit juice, "master cleanse",juice blahblahblah, whatever you wanna do) Drink some senna tea (natural laxative, everything is coming out). Do a salt water flush (2tsp sea salt, amount adjustable) and 32oz warm water. Drink that and you will spend a few hours on the toilet losing stuff you probably don't want inside you.

Congratulations, your body is a bit happier and much better prepared for using psychedelics.

I do this in some form once a week anyway.
 
I've contemplated plugging, but honestly, I'm so disgusted with what comes out of my ass, I'm not very interested. I know, stupid excuses... but anyways, I've never tried Ondanesteron, is it an OTC medication, or do you need a script?
 
In no particular order, to above posters:

- Ondasteron (Zofran) isn't OTC but is a good option. It shouldn't prove that difficult to obtain.

- Plugging is a practice which squicks me out big time and I would never indulge in, but which Bluelight, as a community, for it's own inscrutable reasons is totally fixated on, there are more comfortable and less degrading ways to get more mileage out of your substance of choice. If you're up for it, then hey, it's your body, just try not to perforate something. I'll take track marks or a little muscles soreness over that all day, every day. And if you have GI issues, like I, and a lot of the adult population, do, absorption may be uneven.

- From memory, 2C-E was intolerable on the body to me, I only did it once or twice. 2C-I had similar but less body load in muscle and joint tension, overall unpleasant physicality, but it was more tolerable. Pretty much all phenethylamines/psychedelic amphetamines occasionally but not always give me nausea on the comeup (to include mescaline, less often, 2C-B, 2CT's, DOx)

- Piracetam is a very nice nootropic. Can have it's own odd body load but not really unpleasant. Something I'm contemplating adding to my current medication stack. I can't speak for the analogs.

- I am very interested in trying some of these new (to us) Russian nootropics. Medication interactions vaguely concern me because while I can common-sense out some ideas about it, clinical research is pretty bare here.

- I miss 2C-T-7, it is truly old school, pretty much one of the first "internet RCs" (along with 5-MeO-DMT; 2C-B was around but for a long time it was more of a boutique small batch synthesis done by people pretty deep in the scene going back to the legal MDMA/early Shulginalia days), but then it killed a few people and resulted in the very first real heat that was brought down on our scene. Very nice, visual, colorful stuff, pretty light on the mind, but can be heavy on the body at times, rather like 2C-E/I, but I liked it at the time (it's been years.) 2C-T-21 was another nice one, very low key, but very pleasant, cerebral, nice rainbowish stuff with light.

- Jesus going to India is pretty far fetched when there were mystic groups in the Palestinian desert who He could have studied with and who's esoteric theology and eschatology have some bearing on early Christianity as well. His essential moral theology and universalism (later developed more fully by Paul), while found in places in the OT, are more unique, however.

- I will get around to starting a P&S thread soon.
 
I recently got a fairly large amount of ketamine. I've had it for a month and I've been using it responsibly, no more than once every two weeks. But when I do use it, I tend to go balls to the wall. I find that the best way to reach the incredible yet elusive k-hole is 200-250mg, in 4 or 5 separate lines, spaced out 1 or two minutes apart. And make sure to smoke some weed and/or take a dab at some point during that process (if that's your thing). Also, don't try to k-hole during your first time using ketamine. Start small, with maybe 50mgs or so, and work your way up. Also, Ketamine + Nitrous oxide is one of the most perfect drug combos in the world IMO.

I was fortunate enough to come across some k of extremely high quality...it's very rare (at least in my area) to come across high quality k for a decent price. Earlier this evening I reached a state that was arguably one of the deepest k hole's I've been in, in quite a while.

So yeah, PD...ketamine: how about that drug?

EDIT: Also hey PD, I don't pop in here nearly as often as I should (engineering school on top of 20-30 hour work weeks has kept me very busy!) But I wanted to stop by and say hello and that I hope you're all doing well. <3
 
I B Profane said:
So yeah, PD...ketamine: how about that drug?
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PD and ketamine have a bit of history lol, well, it seems like the whole damn Internet (and spilling onto lot) was doing retarded amounts of ketamine ca. 2008-2010 when the cheap Indian "pre-fab" stuff circulated. Lots of us including myself got into a lot of trouble with it, it's easy to go over the top and quite self-reinforcing, while there's not a real physical withdrawal symptom the psychological dynamic particularly when needles get involved gets to resemble heroin's. Oral is actually a great RoA although wasteful relative to others (especially since now apparently ketamine is ridiculously expensive???? when did that happen?), it's a different, more psychedelic, longer trip. IM is the gold standard, i.v. is crazy and once done, really self-reinforcing. Never really liked snorting the stuff personally. It's definitely a very weird and interesting drug, although I don't think it has a lot of psychological depth, just weirdness, although it's uses in treating depression are very intriguing.
 
perpetualdawn said:
Which racetams do you guys like (if any)?
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Piracetam is pretty good, maybe even the best in some ways. I have sunifiram (not exactly a racetam but a raceram), which is very potent and effective, almost a bit of a stimulant though. Phenylpiracetam is also pretty decent, and I've heard really good things about coluracetam. I also like noopept, though it's also not technically a racetam.

240sxLover said:
More a twisting/discomfort usually. There was one time on 25i where my friend and I were both rolling around on the ground in agony for an hour or two, and maybe once or twice on LSD where for about half an hour all I could do was writhe in agony on my bed from the intestinal cramping. It's usually not a trip killer, but since 2C-E is famous for BL, I'm a bit nervous it could be worse than a half hour writhing-in-agony fest. I mean, every psych I've tried has caused intestinal cramping, but so far 25i was the most painful, and I'm hoping that 2C-E doesn't top it in the pain department.
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Whoa, that's intense! I have never had the slightest bit of bodyload from LSD, it feels utterly clean and transparent to me, kind of like I'm not even on a drug, my mind is just changed, if that makes sense.

yepyepwoah said:
Plugging helps a lot. I took 20mg 2 ce the other weekend plugged. I had a very slight and passing GI blip. That was about it. Taken it a few times previous always plugged and no GI issues or body discomfort really.
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I concur about plugging. It cuts the dosage in about half over oral for many things, and I almost universally find that it reduces bodyload substantially. It's really pretty easy to do, and it doesn't introduce the risks that IMing does (and it's probably most similar in dynamics to IM). For certain things I really prefer it, mostly things that can give me bodyload (like 2C-E and AMT).
 
Got a gram of S isomer ketamine, I heard LSD and K is pretty wild combo huh?
 
Wild, amazing, disturbing...
all of the above

Just curious, are they crystals and if so what shape would you say?

S-ket ime is way harder on the body, but much less schizo on the mind. More like smoother OOBE holing sinking into a warm bath going through abstract - meta/parallel dreamy modes of mind, although also in a cold in clinical way.. On R-ket I can physically walk around even if I deceptionally gradually stop understanding what I am, interpret objects as totally different objects, be found drooling on the floor..

With LSD, its just tornado vortex stuff, things that just arent possible and potentially acting quite insane. Start low or you had better arrange a sitter..
 
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Solipsis said:
Wild, amazing, disturbing...
all of the above

Just curious, are they crystals and if so what shape would you say?

S-ket ime is way harder on the body, but much less schizo on the mind. More like smoother OOBE holing sinking into a warm bath going through abstract - meta/parallel dreamy modes of mind, although also in a cold in clinical way.. On R-ket I can physically walk around even if I deceptionally gradually stop understanding what I am, interpret objects as totally different objects, be found drooling on the floor..

With LSD, its just tornado vortex stuff, things that just arent possible and potentially acting quite insane. Start low or you had better arrange a sitter..
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Here's a pic, I haven't tried it yet but it looks very appealing to me :)

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