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[Kaleida]

I'm on 50 mg of 4-HO-MPT right now.... This is T+4:20. There are so many things I have to say about this drug.... It has far exceeded my already incredibly high expectations. There's not a lot I'm really going to be able to get out about it right now because I'm going to need to come down some more and get all my thoughts in order, but I just wanted to make a note of it. This is without question the best trip I've ever had on a research chemical. I have never gotten an unwinding this good on anything besides high dose LSD.

 

[Help?!?!]

I never dabbled to far with 4-HO-MPT but it seems to have potential. The friends I gave it really loved it as a mushroom esque trip! What about 5-HO-MPT or 5-HO-MET(I think I've seen TRs for that one though...)!

 

[Kaleida]

Those are definitely some things I would love to see as well! I really think the whole MPT class in general really needs to be explored more. I am still blown away by how deep this was.... It definitely is mushroom-esque in many ways, particularly in the visual aspect, but I would say that I personally think it compares more to 4-HO-MET overall in style. On the mind though, I have really never experienced something that feels so much like LSD, like they're both touching upon the same beautiful spiraling madness. Again, I could go into it more... but I think I'll save it for the trip report. I want to make sure I get the full feeling of it out there right.

One thing I will say, since I know that a lot of people love the synergy of 4-HO-MET with dissociatives.... I don't use them that much, but I have noticed that 4-HO-MET is just magic when mixed with nitrous oxide, in a way that other tryptamines have yet to match... until now. This stuff blew my experiences with 4-HO-MET away on nitrous. It felt dangerous how pleasurable it was. The first balloon in particular gave me an extremely deep and vocal full body orgasm at its peak, followed by several minutes of screaming laughter.

Edit: I just noticed that it's now T+7:10 and I'm finally starting to feel pretty much down except for a body high.... Thought I should make a note of that as well. What a trip.... This is definitely one that will not be soon forgotten.

 

[Help?!?!]

Ahh yes 4-HO-MET, 4-AcO-MiPT, 4-HO-DPT, their all at the top of their game. I can still remember IM'ing a solution of 4-HO-DPT mixed with 100ish mgs of MXE, what a wildly beautiful chaotic experience. Within ten minutes I was at a +++.5 and it defintely danced at a full blown ++++ which I almost wasn't ready for but once I let go I was just writhing in ecstasy in my chair traveling through...one of the strangest voids of hyperspace I've ever been blessed to see. If only I could've gotten up and thrown in a tab of LSD, and a gel cap with 750ish mgs of mescaline it probably would've been truly transendent!

 

[Xorkoth]

I'm on 50 mg of 4-HO-MPT right now.... This is T+4:20. There are so many things I have to say about this drug.... It has far exceeded my already incredibly high expectations. There's not a lot I'm really going to be able to get out about it right now because I'm going to need to come down some more and get all my thoughts in order, but I just wanted to make a note of it. This is without question the best trip I've ever had on a research chemical. I have never gotten an unwinding this good on anything besides high dose LSD.

Amazing man, I can't wait to try it now! I hope you write a full report.

I'm 95% sure I'm going to try DOET today... I did a tiny allergy test when I got it, so thinking of jumping in at 3mg. Reading PIHKAL, that seems like it will give me a taste and leave me room for a higher dose at a later time. All I really have to do today is go jam with my friends, and maybe I'll go on a hike for the come-up time.

 

[Kaleida]

Ahh yes 4-HO-MET, 4-AcO-MiPT, 4-HO-DPT, their all at the top of their game. I can still remember IM'ing a solution of 4-HO-DPT mixed with 100ish mgs of MXE, what a wildly beautiful chaotic experience. Within ten minutes I was at a +++.5 and it defintely danced at a full blown ++++ which I almost wasn't ready for but once I let go I was just writhing in ecstasy in my chair traveling through...one of the strangest voids of hyperspace I've ever been blessed to see. If only I could've gotten up and thrown in a tab of LSD, and a gel cap with 750ish mgs of mescaline it probably would've been truly transendent!

That sounds absolutely wonderful! You have me very excited I must say. 4-HO-DPT is next on my list of tryptamines to try. I have not gotten to try 4-AcO-MiPT yet, but I also think that after the 4-HO-DPT (with some non-psilocin analogue(s) in between) I may be doing 50 mg of 4-HO-MiPT. That one also seems incredibly promising to me, though I feel like I've only scratched the surface of it.... Tryptamines really are some wonderful and beautiful molecules. Though yes I'm sure they'd be even crazier with LSD and mescaline mixed in as well! At least, I can say from experience that they are with LSD mixed in. I have yet to have the good fortune to try mescaline... but one of these days I'll get to see what it's all about.

I've posted my trip report.

(4-HO-MPT/50 mg) - Second Time - Surrender

Amazing man, I can't wait to try it now! I hope you write a full report.

I'm 95% sure I'm going to try DOET today... I did a tiny allergy test when I got it, so thinking of jumping in at 3mg. Reading PIHKAL, that seems like it will give me a taste and leave me room for a higher dose at a later time. All I really have to do today is go jam with my friends, and maybe I'll go on a hike for the come-up time.

Same time post. I just uploaded my report in the Trip Reports section!

I'm definitely looking forward to hearing about your DOET experience too! I hope you have an awesome trip if you do it today. :D

 

[pharmakos]

I'm on 50 mg of 4-HO-MPT right now.... This is T+4:20. There are so many things I have to say about this drug.... It has far exceeded my already incredibly high expectations. There's not a lot I'm really going to be able to get out about it right now because I'm going to need to come down some more and get all my thoughts in order, but I just wanted to make a note of it. This is without question the best trip I've ever had on a research chemical. I have never gotten an unwinding this good on anything besides high dose LSD.

was 50mg a pretty high dose? i never got much past 25mg with that stuff... the comeup is so intense that i never felt like i wanted to go through with a larger dose. the plateau was definitely manageable for me at 25mg, but 4-HO-MPT gave me probably the most physically intense comeup of any psych i've tried so far.

 

[Xorkoth]

He already posted a full TR in TR.

So I did take 3mg of DOET, 44 minutes ago. Starting to feel a faint, subtle alert. Like DOPr, it seems to come up slowly and gently, unlike DOC, which comes up in a jangly fashion a lot of the time. At least so far.

 

[Kaleida]

was 50mg a pretty high dose? i never got much past 25mg with that stuff... the comeup is so intense that i never felt like i wanted to go through with a larger dose. the plateau was definitely manageable for me at 25mg, but 4-HO-MPT gave me probably the most physically intense comeup of any psych i've tried so far.

It definitely felt pretty strong to me, but other than the anxiety of trying that new dosage on a research chemical being amplified by the trip, it didn't really feel hard to handle. Once I felt satisfied that the dose was safe it become completely smooth. Bearing in mind that this is coming from someone who loves high doses of LSD and stays pretty lucid during them, and this took me to a very similar state of mind.... The come up for me was actually very intense on 25 mg as well, not threatening but just heavy with leg tremors and the like like any tryptamine, but this 50 mg was honestly no more intense than the last time. I got a few leg shakes, but they didn't even last as long as before. I'm not even worried about dosing even higher now.

He already posted a full TR in TR.

So I did take 3mg of DOET, 44 minutes ago. Starting to feel a faint, subtle alert. Like DOPr, it seems to come up slowly and gently, unlike DOC, which comes up in a jangly fashion a lot of the time. At least so far.

She. And awesome, can't wait to hear more! And have fun! That's definitely a rarity you're lucky to experience there.

 

[pharmakos]

so the physical side effects don't necessarily scale up with higher doses. noted, thanks. that was the main thing that turned me off of that stuff... i didn't think i'd be able to get to a mentally satisfying dose without the tremors getting too uncomfortable.

 

[Kaleida]

Yeah, I definitely understand that mindset. Don't quote me on this as it's not scientific, but I have to say that I have honestly noticed with tryptamines that tremors often become less intense as the dose increases, after a certain point. Like with me, 4-HO-MET is mild tremors at 20 mg, moderate at 25 mg, heavy at 35 mg, and practically none at 50 mg. 4-HO-DET was also even heavier for me at lower doses, but the strongest trip I ever had on it, which gave me still the most structured visuals of my life, was smooth as silk.

It is my understanding that scientific studies in animals often find traditional psychedelics to be stimulate movement in low doses and inhibit it in high doses. I wonder if this could be playing a role? While I would not necessarily recommend people try this right off the bat, and I have not personally, I have even heard people claim that the 5-MeO-MiPT body load disappears for them above 20 mg, and other claims along those lines. I have even experienced the difference on 2C-I, with tremors in low doses and strong relaxation in really high doses.

It makes me wonder if some of it is caused by autoreceptor activation by psychedelics? They bind to a ton of different receptors so they're likely to do some pretty wonky things. It seems logical that a lack of neurotransmitters at low doses could mess with things like proper movement, but then the difference could be made up by the psychedelics binding to postsynaptic receptors at higher doses. Or something along those lines....

Of course, some psychedelics clearly lead into seizures or other problems if pushed too far, so caution is definitely wise. But I'm not too worried about psilocin analogues typically....

 

[Help?!?!]

There's weird chemical...interactions like that, though nicotine is the only one I can really think of off the top of my head where when you smoke more quickly it's more like a straight stimulate but with deeper slower inhalations it becomes more sedative/anxiolytic! I've felt similar reactions though, and that's why I'll only dose lower on certain psychedelics because at lower end doses I find there's more annoying side effects to deal with while higher doses there usually isn't. In past discussions we lightly speculated that it could possibly be due to the fact your tripping much harder with higher doses so your more immersed, making the side effects less noticeable. I know though that their are chemicals that act differently at lower doses than they do higher(not like it becomes a whole different receptor migration but the higher you go the more other site agonists overpower the weaker efficacy/affinity binding sort of over riding it...).

 

[Kaleida]

That would make sense to me in some situations, not noticing because you're more immersed.... Particularly because of how the really good psychedelics tend to make me stop feeling my body in higher doses, certain things can definitely become less relevant. Things like the tremors are pretty obvious and would seem to be more than just not noticed otherwise though, so I bet there's more than one kind of thing going on. That's interesting about the nicotine actually, I never knew that as I've never been a regular smoker.... It makes sense to me though. I really don't think most drugs in general have completely linear dose-effect responses.

 

[Xorkoth]

So, DOET... not quite sure what to make of this drug. I took 3.6mg, and I'm not sure how to describe it. There was basically nothing visually, except a brightening of colors. Mentally and emotionally something was happening, but I'm not sure what. I was very aware of it in my body, it gave me a definite stimulation and the come-up was fairly intense and made me feel kind of unsettled (no worse than DOC sometimes can be). When I started hiking that aspect got more comfortable. I had moments where I seemed to be able to feel other things around me, these strong connection moments that reminded me of mescaline. I was altered substantially but in most moments I really couldn't say how... the only thing that was constant was the body high, which sometimes verged on feeling more like a bodyload. I had enhanced empathy for sure, but not really much of a desire to externalize that empathy, if that makes sense. I was relatively quiet most of the trip. Quiet but content.

After the hike, about 6 hours into it, we had a little nitrous party. I will just say, wow, those were easily the most profound and fulfilling nitrous experiences I've ever had. I'm hopefully going to get a full report written today and attempt to explain that part, as it was certainly the peak of the trip for me. Just wow.

Then my friend and I drank quite a few beers, had a good time. I was never really able to fall asleep, I felt the DOET far too strongly in my body and I just wasn't tired. So I'm going on empty right now. This morning I still feel the remnants of it a bit. It was unusually difficult to sleep on DOET, I have an easier time even on DOC, and with DOC I really don't expect to be able to sleep. This really keeps going for a while (no surprise there but it was more than I expected in this way).

I will definitely try it again. I think I'd do 7mg when I do it, it felt like there was likely something developing. But I'm a bit apprehensive just because even at 3.6mg it was physically challenging sometimes. It didn't feel dangerous at all, the feeling just felt rather alien and it made me uncomfortable for periods of time. If the bodyload increases with dose then it might be pretty challenging at 7mg. On the other hand, sometimes psychedelics will get easier to handle at higher dosages because the effects get to develop fully and you're not halfway in. I felt halfway in with this dose, even though it was quite intense.

Scattered... it's just the lack of sleep though. I'm gonna try to write this up. I feel a lazy day coming on.

 

[Kaleida]

Wow, that sounds pretty interesting and unique from what I would have expected so far. Thanks for the preliminary report. Looking forward to the full thing.

Nitrous on psychedelics is just divine. It seems to get deeper every time I do it.

 

[Xorkoth]

Still no chance of sleep for me. This one lingers, boy does it... very drained today.

 

[Kaleida]

So, I've been just lying in bed at home all day due to feeling sick, so I've been spending a lot of time thinking about my recent trip on 4-HO-MPT. I was able to remember a few significant things that really contributed to why I loved the trip so much, but that hadn't fully come back to me when I wrote my report.

First, this was one of only two psychedelics that has ever made me be so out of it that I couldn't tell whether or not smoking cannabis was even getting me high anymore at the peak, the other one being LSD. The way it felt was literally identical to the way it did on LSD as well, and it was accompanied by the same kinds of visual and psychological effects that I did describe before. That was a major part of what made me feel that the headspace on these two is incredibly similar as well.

Second, there were actually brief moments during the trip where the dissociation I was feeling felt nearly identical to salvia. Even this dose seemed only enough to get me to the threshold of that, but when it happened it was very obvious. Curiously, the energy I felt in my body during the heaviest part of the trip was also causing me to spin to the left just like I do when I'm walking around on salvia. The only other psychedelic that I have experienced this sensation on this strongly was 4-AcO-DALT last week, and that was a mild trip but I actually did feel a slight salvia-like dissociation then too. And specifically on this 4-HO-MPT there were a good few times where I noticed some visual patterning in the entity designs that resembled things I have seen on salvia before as well.

And third, one of the main types of visuals that I was getting with eyes open for much of the trip was a feeling of vibrating or stacked vision, and it was pushing me out of myself in such a way that reminded me very much of mushrooms, 4-AcO-DMT, and DMT. This was a big part of why I felt the visuals could become truly hyperspatial, as the visions they were already causing to overlap reality even at this point were already pushing into that point. Even though the visuals were more like 4-HO-MET in theme and that feels more in-body for me, I absolutely felt like a breakthrough could be achieved with 4-HO-MPT at a higher dose.

I've been doing some reading around too, and I've noticed that a couple of people actually claim to have had strong experiences from smoking around 15 mg. I'm very much thinking about trying this route of administration myself next time, but starting at at least 25 mg. First of all the idea of having something that touches my mind deeply like LSD that I can smoke like DMT just sounds wonderful, but I also would like to see if it really does push into a DMT-like hyperspace at the same time, and maybe even with some salvia-like qualities mixed in to boot. It sure would be something quite special to me if it did.

 

[Xorkoth]

I took some 2C-C last night and went to see what turned out to be one of the best shows I've ever seen (Joe Russo's Almost Dead). What a nice drug. I took a little over 40mg... ended up being VERY visual which surprised me. I felt great and euphoric and pretty centered and communicative.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

^One of my favorite 2Cs so far, but I've only tried 2C-C and 2C-D. My gram of 2C-E is supposed to show up any day now, so, then I'll have three alphabet soups in my arsenal. I'm expecting 2C-E to blow the other two out of the water to be honest, but 2C-C certainly is a special drug to me. So visual, somewhat mental, but no worries! A great starter chem in my book, for those inexperienced with psychs.

My old roommate and I used to fuck around with 50-55mg doses of 2C-C usually, which is where it really shines imo. Great for a night in, watching far out films and the like

 

[Xorkoth]

I'd love to take it higher, but my friend offered me his last bit of it, which was the dose I took. I think I'd like to get some of it sometime now though. Really nice stuff, I was surprised by how visual it was. I felt euphoric and sociable but also definitely psychedelic in a mental way, not too strong in that regard, but emotionally it was quite opening. I bet it would be really nice plugged too, with a significantly smaller dose.

2C-E is definitely way more psychedelic than 2C-D and 2C-C (and almost anything else). Really powerful stuff, with the full spectrum of effects, and incredibly visual as well. One of my all-time favorites, but something I have a lot of respect for as well as a bit of apprehension due to how intense it is and the fact that I had the most overwhelming/terrifying/beautiful +4 breakthrough trip/ego death on it once. I got 250mg of it last year, and then didn't even get to use any before I lost it at a festival.