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Have some 2c-d on the way. Have been wanting to try this for a while.

Have been wanting to get ahold of some more 2c-c. Getting 2c-c, 2c-e, and 2ct-7 are next on my list. China making these all illegal should make them a bit harder to find. Gotta get in while the getting is good.

I really like all the 2c-x I tried so far except 2c-i. I wasn't really a fan, but I think I only took it once?
 
Yeah 2C-E is really strong stuff, and it has a great character to it.

I have a lot of FOMO about PDs that I haven't tried yet, including 2C-C, so I have this desire to collect them all even though I still have so many in my possession that I haven't even had the chance to try yet. This FOMO is balanced out by this doubt that there's much point in trying them all, because at the end of the day they're not *that* different from each other. Kinda like collecting red wines, sure they all taste different from each other, and some are particularly sublime, but will my life really be any better if I get to taste all the wine? It's a dilemma for sure. What if there is this one wine out there that will taste so much better than all the other wines!

Interested to hear you guys' thoughts on that dilemma.. I bet lots of folks on here feel this first world problem.
 
I wouldn't neccesarily say "they're not that different". If I offered you a lifetime supply of DPT or DALT via random lottery, and you won the DALT, you shold be pretty pissed. Go grab MAL, AL, Escaline, Proscaline, Tma-6 etc. Sure they will all basically do *about* the same thing, but you are bound to like 1 out of the 5 more. If you had 5 friends, they each might have a favorite.

I am just about equally addicted to obtaining drugs as using them. It kind of gives me anxiety, its fucked up. With the rate shit is banned, I want a lifetime supply of everything... ever. This is not feasible, neither is even obtaining 1gram of each chemical I would like... all of them ;-)

It all depends on you. Why you take psychedelics.
 
Yeah 2C-E is really strong stuff, and it has a great character to it.

I have a lot of FOMO about PDs that I haven't tried yet, including 2C-C, so I have this desire to collect them all even though I still have so many in my possession that I haven't even had the chance to try yet. This FOMO is balanced out by this doubt that there's much point in trying them all, because at the end of the day they're not *that* different from each other. Kinda like collecting red wines, sure they all taste different from each other, and some are particularly sublime, but will my life really be any better if I get to taste all the wine? It's a dilemma for sure. What if there is this one wine out there that will taste so much better than all the other wines!

Interested to hear you guys' thoughts on that dilemma.. I bet lots of folks on here feel this first world problem.

I also have the urge to collect drugs and try all the ones that seem interesting. The result of it is that instead of just having, say, mushrooms, LSD and mescaline as options, I have a list of favorites that I use for different specific purposes. And plenty I only try once or twice because I don't like them as much as something else. And occasionally I get a new tool for my toolbox and I use it for a purpose which suits it better than anything else I know of.

But yeah, first world problems for sure. :D
 
I think a lot of us around here harbor that addiction. When I was younger I used to have a briefcase filled with different vials and blotters/etc. If you've done it long enough and are lucky enough, you'll eventually get to a place where you've tried most of the existing things. It's really not to hard as long as you dedicate about a once a week dip into your stash to try the different rotations of things. After a couple of years you'll have a pretty large checklist of things you've tried. Then you just use the ones you like the most and get the most out of, and ocassionally use the new releases that are presented.

Crazily enough I don't think I've ever tried much more than a small sample of both 2c-C or 2c-D. They were both interesting but I had better things to buy at the time.

It's such a treat though when you get to try some really rare things though. I'll always treasure my synthetic 4-HO-DMT experience. MET and 4-HO-DPT experiences. Stuff like that is always awesome!
 
Yeah I enjoy trying rare things too... I just get something out of that, it feels pioneering and it is, in one area anyway. Recently I've gotten to try DOPr, DOET, MEM, and 4-HO-DPT, and I have 4-HO-MPT, DOiP, and DOF on the menu as well. And DPT, but that's not rare, I've just never tried it and always wanted to. Oh yeah I have some DiPT now too, I did that once a long time ago and it was an amazing trip, I've always wanted to try it again.
 
I was just reading the PIHKAL entry for DOEF (I am hoping I might be able to get some of that sometime), and he mentions 2C-EF:

Shulgin said:
And I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts, that if one were to make the two-carbon analog 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(2-fluoroethyl)-phenethylamine, it would be every bit as much a treasure and ally as is 2C-B or 2C-I. In fact, I am sure enough about this prediction that I am willing to name the stuff 2C-EF. It will be easily made from 2C-B by the same reaction scheme that was used above for DOEF. And I will even guess that its activity level will be in the 20-30 milligram area.

Sounds potentially nice, I wonder if anyone has made this? There's no PIHKAL entry.
 
Yeah, I'm pretty sure a small synth of it got around a couple years back, I'm fairly sure B9 has TR about it somewhere! There were talks about a custom synth for it a couple years back as well as a vendor trying to get it done but neither panned out...

It defintely does have a new frontier feel to exploring the rare ones. It's like a special feeling knowing that your one of the few amongst the inner circle that was graced to try it! Always a cool backing to the beginning of an experience!

Weirdness, I was going to include DiPT but it isn't excessively rare or anything. I had some INSANE experiences IM'ing it with DPT and MXE. The body buzz felt like elericity was coursing through me in the coolest way possible. Also I enjoyed the audio distortions as well. The MXE seemed to add a unique take on DiPT's audio effects plus I'm one of the lucky ones who gets more full blown psychedelia from it too. Good stuff!

Found it(FnBs though!), http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/526230-2C-EF-first-time-another-wonderful-drug-experience.
 
I think a lot of us around here harbor that addiction. When I was younger I used to have a briefcase filled with different vials and blotters/etc. If you've done it long enough and are lucky enough, you'll eventually get to a place where you've tried most of the existing things. It's really not to hard as long as you dedicate about a once a week dip into your stash to try the different rotations of things. After a couple of years you'll have a pretty large checklist of things you've tried. Then you just use the ones you like the most and get the most out of, and ocassionally use the new releases that are presented.

I think this is about where I am right now. I definitely have had this desire to try as many psychedelics as possible for a long time too but it has really been dying down lately, and I'm fairly certain that getting to try as many tryptamines as I have has played a huge role in that. I honestly still have not tried any synthetic lysergamides besides LSD and I still have used almost none of the phenethylamines or amphetamines, but honestly I just have a hard time believing now that they could possibly get me closer to what I want than the tryptamines do.

I've truthfully had something of an epiphany about my use of psychedelics after my recent experience with 4-HO-MPT, and it has drastically changed my desires for what to experiment with now. I have a few goodies from other classes still to work with that I will thoroughly enjoy while they last, but really, after those are all gone, I think I'm going to be pretty much done searching, at least actively.... The only thing I really still want to do for sure is try every psilocin derivative at at least 50 mg or more. So far the 4-HO-MPT is my favorite now, but I really want to make sure I see the full character of each of them now that I actually have that capability, so I know for sure which are truly best for me.

Currently, I have a hunch about 4-HO-DiPT that my curiosity is tormenting me over. I think I may have to try that one again next. <3
 
2CD is great, very nice, visual, short acting, pretty emotionally neutral, I did it i.m. which was pretty neat. My favorite "light phenethylamine," and I think would be a great tool as a gentle introduction to psychedelic therapy (also lasts a useful amount of time in which to conduct a brief [and reasonably billable, if we ever get there!] therapeutic intervention.) DOET is one that I never got to try, neither DOTFM, but both of them intrigued me. Only ever had the "big four" DOx. ALEPH was interesting but came off a little overrated because it was so mysterious and rare. I envy some of you guys for trying some of the new stuff that's coming out because the differences between compounds always fascinated me ever since I discovered Shulgin and soon thereafter, 2CT7, around the same time (pre-Web Tryp.) But I'm pretty much done with psychedelia, or psychedelia is done with me.

4-HO-DiPT and 4-AcO-DiPT are wonderful. 5-MeO-MiPT is circulating and this was one of my favorites (very erotic material.) 4-HO-MPT and -MET are interesting to me but I never tasted them.

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I think a lot of us around here harbor that addiction. When I was younger I used to have a briefcase filled with different vials and blotters/etc. If you've done it long enough and are lucky enough, you'll eventually get to a place where you've tried most of the existing things. It's really not to hard as long as you dedicate about a once a week dip into your stash to try the different rotations of things. After a couple of years you'll have a pretty large checklist of things you've tried. Then you just use the ones you like the most and get the most out of, and ocassionally use the new releases that are presented.

All sorts of this. And an addiction it really is. An addiction to novelty and breadth of drug taking and the simple fact of altering one's consciousness. Also a very male thing, for the same reason we like guns and fast cars, basically, I've come to realize. I tried compiling a "resume" of what I've done but I stopped when I got over 100 or so because it was getting a little ridiculous and felt more like bragging than any sort of useful cataloguing. (What sort of person can even name over 100 drugs?) I was definitely that guy with a briefcase full of esoterica and pretty much every weekend for 5 years would host a little psychedelic salon where people would come over and sample different shit, listen to music, compare notes, etc. That was pretty neat, and I became pretty popular in a certain crowd because I would always be throwing these things with free and interesting drugs, good music, pretty girls, etc. But of course, as is wont to happen, the whole crowd bounced when the drugs dried up, mainly because I was getting too paranoid about holding that much shit and even more so because I was more and more interested in heroin, mephedrone and ketamine (guess the year? LOL), and conventional psychedelics began to bore me, save maybe 5-MeO-DMT and rather alarming doses of conventional psychedelics. YMMV.

I had that life, and that briefcase, and TBH I was totally degenerate. I have far too many addictive tendencies to have that kind of stuff around, not so much psychedelics, but whenever I had a novel stimulant or sedative or dissociative or something like that I would find myself doing it on a more or less daily basis if it agreed with me a lot. I'd also take psychedelics whenever the opportunity presented itself. Kudos to those who can do it under control, and do it in such a fashion that you may actually be able to expand our base of knowledge. I was able to do that on a small few occasions, to be the first do this or do that or have certain things analyzed or whatever, but really, I was more about reckless hedonism, even though I had a lot of pretensions to science or even "consciousness expansion." Again, YMMV. Congratulations to those who can walk the fine line. (But you are probably fewer in number than you imagine.)

Now I'm old, and sad and bored, and not funny anymore, and just a grumpy drug culture color commentator with a bottle of Johnnie Black. Love y'all though, always.

Peace to PD bros,
SK "cautionary tale" L
 
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2CD is great, very nice, visual, short acting, pretty emotionally neutral, I did it i.m. which was pretty neat. My favorite "light phenethylamine," and I think would be a great tool as a gentle introduction to psychedelic therapy (also lasts a useful amount of time in which to conduct a brief [and reasonably billable, if we ever get there!] therapeutic intervention.) DOET is one that I never got to try, neither DOTFM, but both of them intrigued me. Only ever had the "big four" DOx. ALEPH was interesting but came off a little overrated because it was so mysterious and rare. I envy some of you guys for trying some of the new stuff that's coming out because the differences between compounds always fascinated me ever since I discovered Shulgin and soon thereafter, 2CT7, around the same time (pre-Web Tryp.) But I'm pretty much done with psychedelia, or psychedelia is done with me.

4-HO-DiPT and 4-AcO-DiPT are wonderful. 5-MeO-MiPT is circulating and this was one of my favorites (very erotic material.) 4-HO-MPT and -MET are interesting to me but I never tasted them.

Well, it goes both ways. :) I'm quite worried that by this point I may never get to try 2C-T-7.... That's one of the only phenethylamines I'm truly still incredibly interested in.

5-MeO-MiPT is one I would like to try some day if I ever get the chance; I had a friend offer me once some but then I didn't get to see him for a long time, and by the time I did he had already used it all. :\ Ah well. I have to say that psilocin analogues are the only ones that I'm truly obsessed about though, and the occasional base tryptamine trip. I haven't tried 4-AcO-DiPT yet but I have used 4-HO-DiPT a couple of times and it definitely seems to have some potential to me. I haven't dosed high enough on it yet to have too many traditional psychedelic visuals but the visions and psychological effects below that point were already impressive enough that I feel like a higher dose is where it will really shine.

4-HO-MET is fun and flashy but honestly I do not hold it as highly as I used to.... It was one of my favorites for a good while, but the more of them I try the less grip it holds over me. One thing that really gets to me though is that it really does have the shallowest head space of them, aside from feeling mentally stimulated and emotionally enhanced there's not much going on. That in itself isn't bad, but I just really like to go deep into my mind on tryptamines, and the lack of any too wild thoughts or crazy ego twister does not go unnoticed. On the other hand though, I do find it to be the best at lower doses compared to the others, particularly because for me it is the most externally visual and physically euphoric. At the kind of doses where most tryptamines feel to me to have been dosed too low so that their full effects don't develop, 4-HO-MET is already running strong with a very colorful, geometric, happy effect. But, at the same time, at a dose where other tryptamines start to push into breakthrough visions and buzzing orgasmic bliss, on 4-HO-MET I've still just got even stronger and weirder sensory distortions and the same warm body high. It really is quite a unique substance and worth trying, but truthfully I don't know how much I would seek it out again. But I would never turn it down if offered.

4-HO-MPT I've only tried twice so far but I'm already falling in love with it. My high dose experience with it rivaled all of my trips on high dose LSD in nearly every way, and surpassed them in a few. I'm not saying that it will be so great for everyone, but for me it really changed the game. I also honestly think that on a visual and emotional level it compares in many ways to 4-HO-MET, which is part of why I no longer have as much interest in that.... On a psychological level I found it to be the closest thing I have ever taken to LSD, so that also pretty much added in what I felt was missing after a while on 4-HO-MET. I have a very strong suspicion that it can be smoked/vaporized as well to achieve a complete breakthrough as I already felt on the edge of it with my oral dose, and I'm pretty sure that's what I'm going to do next to find out.

All sorts of this. And an addiction it really is. An addiction to novelty and breadth of drug taking and the simple fact of altering one's consciousness. Also a very male thing, for the same reason we like guns and fast cars, basically, I've come to realize. I tried compiling a "resume" of what I've done but I stopped when I got over 100 or so because it was getting a little ridiculous and felt more like bragging than any sort of useful cataloguing. (What sort of person can even name over 100 drugs?) I was definitely that guy with a briefcase full of esoterica and pretty much every weekend for 5 years would host a little psychedelic salon where people would come over and sample different shit, listen to music, compare notes, etc. That was pretty neat, and I became pretty popular in a certain crowd because I would always be throwing these things with free and interesting drugs, good music, pretty girls, etc. But of course, as is wont to happen, the whole crowd bounced when the drugs dried up, mainly because I was getting too paranoid about holding that much shit and even more so because I was more and more interested in heroin, mephedrone and ketamine (guess the year? LOL), and conventional psychedelics began to bore me, save maybe 5-MeO-DMT and rather alarming doses of conventional psychedelics. YMMV.

I had that life, and that briefcase, and TBH I was totally degenerate. I have far too many addictive tendencies to have that kind of stuff around, not so much psychedelics, but whenever I had a novel stimulant or sedative or dissociative or something like that I would find myself doing it on a more or less daily basis if it agreed with me a lot. I'd also take psychedelics whenever the opportunity presented itself. Kudos to those who can do it under control, and do it in such a fashion that you may actually be able to expand our base of knowledge. I was able to do that on a small few occasions, to be the first do this or do that or have certain things analyzed or whatever, but really, I was more about reckless hedonism, even though I had a lot of pretensions to science or even "consciousness expansion." Again, YMMV. Congratulations to those who can walk the fine line. (But you are probably fewer in number than you imagine.)

Now I'm old, and sad and bored, and not funny anymore, and just a grumpy drug culture color commentator with a bottle of Johnnie Black. Love y'all though, always.

Peace to PD bros,
SK "cautionary tale" L

That's an interesting perspective. I have been obsessed with collecting drugs for some time now, but I think for different reasons, and also I'm a female. I do enjoy the novelty and being the one who can make a whole group of people trip and that kind of stuff, but truthfully I feel like the reason I really began striving to collect and try as many different things as possible is so that one day I might be able to stick to just a select few of them ever, but that those few would be by far the most effective for me. I just didn't think that I could ever possibly understand which drugs those could be unless I did all the research and compared their effects myself so that I could understand what's really going on.... Now that I'm finally getting to that point with my tryptamines, my feeling of needing to keep searching and exploring has diminished quite a bit. And I'm actually excited now to be at a place where I can focus more on understanding more about my select psychedelics rather than always just thinking about the next new thing to try.

Of course, it's all still for the sake of hedonism, but psychedelics, cannabis, and nitrous oxide are basically the only drugs I use anymore anyway, so I'm not really too worried about it. I still think they help my life more than they get in the way of it too, and I'll probably continue to use them for as long as I feel that way. At the moment I feel that hedonism is actually a very important factor in my life as long as it's controlled, it seems to be the most effective way for me to learn how to be a happier person still without it.
 
That's an interesting perspective. I have been obsessed with collecting drugs for some time now, but I think for different reasons, and also I'm a female. I do enjoy the novelty and being the one who can make a whole group of people trip and that kind of stuff, but truthfully I feel like the reason I really began striving to collect and try as many different things as possible is so that one day I might be able to stick to just a select few of them ever, but that those few would be by far the most effective for me. I just didn't think that I could ever possibly understand which drugs those could be unless I did all the research and compared their effects myself so that I could understand what's really going on.... Now that I'm finally getting to that point with my tryptamines, my feeling of needing to keep searching and exploring has diminished quite a bit. And I'm actually excited now to be at a place where I can focus more on understanding more about my select psychedelics rather than always just thinking about the next new thing to try.

Of course, it's all still for the sake of hedonism, but psychedelics, cannabis, and nitrous oxide are basically the only drugs I use anymore anyway, so I'm not really too worried about it. I still think they help my life more than they get in the way of it too, and I'll probably continue to use them for as long as I feel that way. At the moment I feel that hedonism is actually a very important factor in my life as long as it's controlled, it seems to be the most effective way for me to learn how to be a happier person still without it.

I also find hedonism to be an important factor in my life, as long as it's controlled. It brings something exciting and pleasurable into my life when I take psychedelics, or drugs in general. Over the years I've done a lot of different kinds of drugs, and gotten into some really bad places because of some of them (the big one being 10 years of opiate addiction). But I continue to use psychedelics, marijuana, the occasional stimulant or empathogen, and dissociatives because, well, I like them. Mostly it's psychedelics and weed though. Psychedelics really changed my life but the experience is so ingrained into me that I don't think it could ever leave me if I didn't take another psychedelic again. I certainly don't need to trip multiple times a month or weekly, but I go through periods where I do that, especially summers. It's just because I like to and I find the experience rewarding and gloriously fun. It helps me to keep balance in my life because it's easier to be happy consistently and not stress out about things, through helping me to keep things in perspective. I'd be perfectly happy right now without psychedelics, but I see no reason to stop using them because I can see what they add to my life. I have been slowly using them less over the years since I first got into them, but I still use them more than most people.
 
That's very interesting, Xorkoth. That reflects a lot of thoughts that I've been having lately myself, though there are still many things that I feel I would like to see from the psychedelic experience before I think I could really hang up the phone so to speak and still be satisfied. However, I can definitely see that I am on my way, and cannabis especially is a substance that I am really starting to feel that way about already. Currently I am an everyday stoner, but I am really starting to get to a point where I feel as though I would actually enjoy more being sober most of the time, and then only using cannabis to mix with already strong psychedelic experiences along with nitrous oxide. It seems like it would make the occasional hedonism a lot more special to me as well, in addition to I believe cutting down on the head fog and body kinks that daily smoking tends to bring me.

I suppose on one level though, I could probably stop tripping now and be pretty happy with the amount of therapeutic use I have already gotten out of psychedelics, which I think is more than most people ever even ask for. Just, like you, I can see what they add to my life, and it just makes me think that there's always room to improve. Even when it just comes to experiencing stronger states of bliss than I ever have before, still to this day it seems that every experience is deeper than the last... and I actually think that simply expanding my idea of bliss is a significant part of where therapeutic effects and creativity boost from psychedelics come from in the first place. As long as they can always keep taking me higher, I just feel that they will always have some more to teach me.... At this point, all I can say is that there is no end in sight. :)
 
75 mics of LSD tonight...


I also find hedonism to be an important factor in my life, as long as it's controlled.

I believe hedonism is even MORE important than rationally-planned delayed-gratification behavior. Rational planning is just icing on the cake for homo sapiens, but the rest of the animal kingdom does just fine without it, acting purely on carnal impulses. And we should be very wary of challenging our animal instincts with a sense of intelligent superiority over our genes! This is the basic difference between a religious person and an atheist. A religious person trusts their genes, biology, and instincts, because, well, all is God and God is love. An atheist, however, has reason to suspect their genes, which have been conditioned in an apparently cruel and absurd universe.





Does the shifting of bits in your computer processor control your web browser as it fetches data from Bluelight.org? No, of course not. Your web browser IS nothing more than shifting bits in your processor.

Similarly, it's absurd to speak of a human having control over reality, because they ARE a part of reality. We are not external to reality. Also, all of our thoughts, decisions, and behaviors are inevitable results of a cosmic reality over which we have absolutely no control.
 
I'm in control, materminding all the tricks and the fools. The fallows, the falls, then the consumption where I drag you in, then let you free fall... Don't worry though my wings will extend to enevolpe you, consume you, reconstruct you, perfect you, then let you be free to fly. Then you have your prowess to mold, and consume. To form you, then I'll let you fly! &#55357;&#56900;&#55357;&#56897;&#55357;&#56847;&#55358;&#56596;&#55357;&#56886;&#55357;&#56882;&#55357;&#56868;;) <3
 
I believe hedonism is even MORE important than rationally-planned delayed-gratification behavior. Rational planning is just icing on the cake for homo sapiens, but the rest of the animal kingdom does just fine without it, acting purely on carnal impulses. And we should be very wary of challenging our animal instincts with a sense of intelligent superiority over our genes! This is the basic difference between a religious person and an atheist. A religious person trusts their genes, biology, and instincts, because, well, all is God and God is love. An atheist, however, has reason to suspect their genes, which have been conditioned in an apparently cruel and absurd universe.

While I do believe that I understand what you're saying and support your message about hedonism, I have to say that I have never been told by an atheist that having sex is a sin. Who is truly the more suspicious of their instincts then?
 
Wow, I don't know where to start. The last two days have been great. Multiple breakthroughs. Ephenidine was a highlight for sure, a unique experience, but the real MVP is 3-meo-pcp. Not that the two are even comparable but they are both powerful allies. I titrated the Ephenidine from 50 to 80 to 150mg dose which started at me feeling a bit chatty and energized, and peaked at an incredible state of consciousness, very enlightening, I had no choice but to submit to it all and meditate, subtle energies were amplified, there was a bountiful amount of colorful spirits, and a gentle but excited push, an entity of sorts that directed my point of focus around the different channels of energy, ultimately leading what felt like a complete alignment and overall complete awareness. The next day, 3-meo shined and then really shined when I decided to dose at midnight. I met a persistent village of people and took an adventure in a lucid half-sleep half-wake dreamstate. I met and made peace with various people in this village in my mind over the course of hours. This morning I feel renewed and ready to get some deep sleep.
 
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