The Big & Dandy 1P-LSD Thread, Volume 1
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Any other history of psychedelic drug use (or antidepressants, neuroleptics, amphetamines, sleeping aids, pain medication, you name it)?
If not, you are probably born hard-head (I myself have similar tendencies).
And, to get completely indiscreet: age of first psychedelic experience and age now... (please tell us, for science's sake!) 8)
No medication at all.
Few food supplements (ginseng, piracetam, centrophenoxine, vitamins, magnesium, ...). It makes the trip more intense and comfortable.
I love to take nadh when peaking. Makes the trip clear and peaceful. It also completely wipes out the body load and stress. For me nadh is the lsd best friend when you take it at the peak.
Cannabis also used.
First experience (mushrooms) at 35. First LSD at 42. 49 now. I do around 5 trip a year. So nothing particularly taxing on the tolerance side.
Normally two tabs of lsd is deep for me (so equal at 3 1p tabs).
I can easily handle psychedelics (shrooms, lsd). It's a kind of drug that suit me perfectly. So generally I can easily take more than others.
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Based on the information that you've shared recently, I reckon that you're a bit of a hardhead.
Regarding the piracetam and centrophenoxine that you take as "food supplements", are you using them as nootropics, or to treat a dementia-related condition?
Your use of NADH sounds intriguing, btw.
Regarding the piracetam and centrophenoxine that you take as "food supplements", are you using them as nootropics, or to treat a dementia-related condition?
Your use of NADH sounds intriguing, btw.
Hardhead probably a bit but I think I not the only one to feel that 1p seems less potent than lsd. However it's difficult to compare because it's impossible to know how much lsd I have on a lsd tab but the general consensus is that there is between 70µ and 100µ on street tabs.
I use Piracetam as nootropic from time to time. No particular psychological issue, I'm a rather positive and stable person.
Yes nadh with lsd or 1p is wonderful (at the right time). Now I'm using nicotinamide riboside. It is better and it has a better bio-availability (nadh has to be taken on an empty stomach). If I take it when I'm peaking (around t+2h), 20 minutes later all the tension disappear and I'm extremely focused. For me the interesting part of the trip starts then.
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yesterday I gifted two friends a few tabs of 1p, since a third friend and his wife were going to indulge and they wanted to trip too, they are also a couple, btw, so it was kind of like a psychedelic double date kind of thing.
So I offered them 4 hits, but they ended up splitting 3 evenly, and we have some interesting results.
the second couple was dosing on LSD classic, so their part in this is incidental, but they both ended up tripping balls from what I am to understand, but anyways:
So the female side of the couple I gifted these blotters to TRIPPED EVERLOVING BALLS TO THE NEXT DIMENSION. I always try to keep in mind that, as much as we may not like to think it, attention seeking can lead some people to embellish their experiences. Not only is she not the kind of person that would do something like this, but the behavior reported to me by the group subsequently is in accordance with her account 100%. In short, she became a part of the scenery, and just outright tripped balls.
The male half of the couple, while experiencing effects that were certainly not placebo, reported a nice head trip with very subdued visuals, much more in line with what I would be expecting from a 1 and 1/2 hit trip of the 100 mic blotters. My point is, he felt he was not quite 'there' while his wife was flown to the moon. Both took their hits sublingually for a few minutes before swallowing them down, at the same time and in the same manner as the friends taking classic LSD-25.
I feel it worth mentioning, that the female in question in this report subsequently admitted to me that she and her husband have been trying to get pregnant, and she was most likely ovulating during this experience.
All three hits were in a straight line, from the relative center of a 25 strip that has been up to this point relatively consistent, so I find it hard to believe it was differing dosage that accounts for this.
So I offered them 4 hits, but they ended up splitting 3 evenly, and we have some interesting results.
the second couple was dosing on LSD classic, so their part in this is incidental, but they both ended up tripping balls from what I am to understand, but anyways:
So the female side of the couple I gifted these blotters to TRIPPED EVERLOVING BALLS TO THE NEXT DIMENSION. I always try to keep in mind that, as much as we may not like to think it, attention seeking can lead some people to embellish their experiences. Not only is she not the kind of person that would do something like this, but the behavior reported to me by the group subsequently is in accordance with her account 100%. In short, she became a part of the scenery, and just outright tripped balls.
The male half of the couple, while experiencing effects that were certainly not placebo, reported a nice head trip with very subdued visuals, much more in line with what I would be expecting from a 1 and 1/2 hit trip of the 100 mic blotters. My point is, he felt he was not quite 'there' while his wife was flown to the moon. Both took their hits sublingually for a few minutes before swallowing them down, at the same time and in the same manner as the friends taking classic LSD-25.
I feel it worth mentioning, that the female in question in this report subsequently admitted to me that she and her husband have been trying to get pregnant, and she was most likely ovulating during this experience.
All three hits were in a straight line, from the relative center of a 25 strip that has been up to this point relatively consistent, so I find it hard to believe it was differing dosage that accounts for this.
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I too gifted some friends some 1P and they split a 3 strip in between them and both had an amazing trip complete with visuals and auras for a good 8 hours
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People did experience consistant effects from the colored LSD -- for example, they thought one type was more "speedy" than the others.
The fact that people here are experiencing consistant effects from 1P-LSD ends up being meaningless, because all the people who are having similar experiences are frequenting the same boards and reading each others descriptions. Reading a description of the effects will forever color your subsequent experiences, and it predisposes you to have a similar experience. The only way to make an unbiased comparison is to use blind dosing.
Under blind dosing conditions, people experienced with LSD can't effectively differentiate between psilocybin, LSD, and mescaline. They fail utterly. And those people had been given doses of pure Sandoz LSD on numerous occasions over a period of years. If people can't actually tell the difference between LSD and mescaline then do you honestly think you have any hope of differentiating between LSD and 1P-LSD?
I'm aware that many people think that they can make these distinctions, but there is no way for a person to know whether they can or not until they try, under blind conditions.
Others have written good informative reports which I don't think I can add very much to…. nonetheless:
I have reasonable experience with MDMA and weed, fairly limited with psychedelics though. have found that some of my MDMA experiences have been a bit short in a festival environment so was looking for ways to extend and explore the process.
Took 110mg MDMA and 50ug 1p LSD pill form shortly before entering event. Topped up with 70mg MDMA 3 hrs in. Had one of the best rolls of my life. Limited psychedelic effects, although my companion (on the same) could see yellow paint dripping from everything! in future will do a little more of the 1P, and possibly slightly less MDMA.
I have reasonable experience with MDMA and weed, fairly limited with psychedelics though. have found that some of my MDMA experiences have been a bit short in a festival environment so was looking for ways to extend and explore the process.
Took 110mg MDMA and 50ug 1p LSD pill form shortly before entering event. Topped up with 70mg MDMA 3 hrs in. Had one of the best rolls of my life. Limited psychedelic effects, although my companion (on the same) could see yellow paint dripping from everything! in future will do a little more of the 1P, and possibly slightly less MDMA.
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While you're right about subjectivity coloring experiencing dramatically, I always found that study a bit suspect. Granted, I've never partaken in blind dosing, but the differences between LSD, mescaline and mushrooms are stark. It's impossible for me to believe that I wouldn't be able to tell which of those three I had taken, if I knew it was one of the 3 (I certainly wouldn't claim I could tell any psychedelic apart from any other, especially when you get into the RCs). Each psychedelic has a unique feel, but this study seems to suggest they're all more or less the same except for duration/etc.
It's not difficult for me to believe that knowing it's 1p-LSD might be causing people to experience it differently over regular LSD, but I think anyone with a lot of experience with different psychedelics would be able to tell the difference between mushrooms and LSD. They don't feel the same at all, the come-up is totally different, the visuals are different, and the headspace is dramatically different.
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Yes, the idea of a very experienced psychonaut not being able to distinguish between LSD, psilocybin/psilocin and mescaline is completely absurd to me. And those are just the big three... I can easily tell the difference between *many* psychedelics -- and name them, too.
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Never having tried LSD, I couldn't say one way or the other if 1P-LSD is different. Doesn't matter to me, since I'm not looking for LSD and I *do* have 1P-LSD. But 1P-LSD is a world of difference from mushrooms.
mushrooms
-come up 20-45 minutes
-always have nausea
-feel sedate the whole trip
-can't eat or drink until I'm coming back down
1P-LSD
-come up 30ish-90ish minutes
-very little nausea, but gas
-sedate during the come up, wired otherwise
-can eat and drink normally the entire length of the trip
They just feel different
Tom
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Hi guys
My friend sent me this report, I thought it read pretty well and he gave me permission to post here. I'm actually finding it hard to believe for some reason!
Short pre-amble: He's in his early 30s and has found it hard to pluck up the courage to use LSD over the last few years (I tried to convince him many times). Not because of any particular bad experience, but by his own admission his ego doesn't want to do the necessary work that it needs to do to flush out the shit that it's accumulated since the last trip. For the record I know he has tried psilocybin, LSA, DMT, Salvia and LSD. Out of these, LSD provided him with the most life-changing experiences. So with 1P-LSD being legal he was eager to see how it fared in comparison.
Onto that report...
After a few shots of rum to calm my nerves, at 8pm I took two hits dosed with 100mcg each and first effects manifested within the hour. Classic crawling visuals were quickly apparent - moss on concrete ebbing and flowing, shag-pile carpet texture waving vigorously, skin appearing to age and then turn youthful with clear perception of underlying veins and musculature. At this point the mindspace was extremely serene and lucid, which allowed me to rearrange the suddenly obvious artifice of the setting (I'd moved the mattress into the lounge and set up a projector on the ceiling with nature videos showing) and retreat to the safe, secure comfort zone of the bed.
I put some noise-cancelling headphones on and began listening to a specially prepared ambient trip playlist. At this point the chronology of events gets hazy. I recall going to the bathroom a number of times (probably from drinking beforehand) which I was perfectly able to do, but while lying down I had the classic psychedelic malaise that says 'do nothing, just be'. Tracers were extremely visible in the semi-darkness and closed-eye visuals were present but subdued. Most of the time I was just deeply enjoying the soundscapes, almost to the point of losing my sense of self. I distinctly remember at one point becoming spontaneously aware of an energy channel located in the area of my third eye. If I concentrated on the music and looked into the inner space central to this point I began to see an interpenetrating network of fractal imagery unravelling in the distance, accompanied by the intuition that I was a part of this energy and that remaining in this space would be profoundly healing and integrative on a neural and somatic level. Unfortunately my concentration could only maintain this cognitive posture for short spans of time, and I knew that resuming my daily meditation practice would vastly increase this ability over time.
I began to come down at around the 10-hour mark and felt confident to emerge from bed at 8am and move around, although my vision still sparkled beautifully for the rest of the morning. I didn't feel tired for the rest of the day, despite having no sleep, something I put down to approaching 'clear light' during the third eye encounter (I have always found ego-loss more refreshing than sleep). A clear and extremely positive headspace was retained for the rest of the week.
Overall I found the experience highly pleasant, noticeably lacking in the negative thought loops that LSD can sometimes turn you on to, yet I was able to do some inner work and come out of the trip with life tasks to complete and a spur to behaviour change. It also cured me of my conditioned fear of psychedelics. Of course none of this can be put down to the drug itself, but what I can conclude is that 1P is perfectly capable of facilitating such an experience given my personal physiology and psychological makeup. And for that I am extremely thankful.
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Sounds promising - eager to try it myself! Also, at Breaking Convention David Nichols said he and others (currently working on 1P) speculate that it's metabolised by the body into LSD which would sync with their extremely similar subjective effects, dose response curve and close chemical profile.
My friend sent me this report, I thought it read pretty well and he gave me permission to post here. I'm actually finding it hard to believe for some reason!
Short pre-amble: He's in his early 30s and has found it hard to pluck up the courage to use LSD over the last few years (I tried to convince him many times). Not because of any particular bad experience, but by his own admission his ego doesn't want to do the necessary work that it needs to do to flush out the shit that it's accumulated since the last trip. For the record I know he has tried psilocybin, LSA, DMT, Salvia and LSD. Out of these, LSD provided him with the most life-changing experiences. So with 1P-LSD being legal he was eager to see how it fared in comparison.
Onto that report...
After a few shots of rum to calm my nerves, at 8pm I took two hits dosed with 100mcg each and first effects manifested within the hour. Classic crawling visuals were quickly apparent - moss on concrete ebbing and flowing, shag-pile carpet texture waving vigorously, skin appearing to age and then turn youthful with clear perception of underlying veins and musculature. At this point the mindspace was extremely serene and lucid, which allowed me to rearrange the suddenly obvious artifice of the setting (I'd moved the mattress into the lounge and set up a projector on the ceiling with nature videos showing) and retreat to the safe, secure comfort zone of the bed.
I put some noise-cancelling headphones on and began listening to a specially prepared ambient trip playlist. At this point the chronology of events gets hazy. I recall going to the bathroom a number of times (probably from drinking beforehand) which I was perfectly able to do, but while lying down I had the classic psychedelic malaise that says 'do nothing, just be'. Tracers were extremely visible in the semi-darkness and closed-eye visuals were present but subdued. Most of the time I was just deeply enjoying the soundscapes, almost to the point of losing my sense of self. I distinctly remember at one point becoming spontaneously aware of an energy channel located in the area of my third eye. If I concentrated on the music and looked into the inner space central to this point I began to see an interpenetrating network of fractal imagery unravelling in the distance, accompanied by the intuition that I was a part of this energy and that remaining in this space would be profoundly healing and integrative on a neural and somatic level. Unfortunately my concentration could only maintain this cognitive posture for short spans of time, and I knew that resuming my daily meditation practice would vastly increase this ability over time.
I began to come down at around the 10-hour mark and felt confident to emerge from bed at 8am and move around, although my vision still sparkled beautifully for the rest of the morning. I didn't feel tired for the rest of the day, despite having no sleep, something I put down to approaching 'clear light' during the third eye encounter (I have always found ego-loss more refreshing than sleep). A clear and extremely positive headspace was retained for the rest of the week.
Overall I found the experience highly pleasant, noticeably lacking in the negative thought loops that LSD can sometimes turn you on to, yet I was able to do some inner work and come out of the trip with life tasks to complete and a spur to behaviour change. It also cured me of my conditioned fear of psychedelics. Of course none of this can be put down to the drug itself, but what I can conclude is that 1P is perfectly capable of facilitating such an experience given my personal physiology and psychological makeup. And for that I am extremely thankful.
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Sounds promising - eager to try it myself! Also, at Breaking Convention David Nichols said he and others (currently working on 1P) speculate that it's metabolised by the body into LSD which would sync with their extremely similar subjective effects, dose response curve and close chemical profile.
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I tried out 3 100ug tabs of 1-P LSD last night. I dropped 2 tabs, then a 3rd an hour later. I spit out the third as at 1 hour in I was tripping way too hard to put into words.
The "Party Boys" picked me up and took me on the Dream Riviera, we coasted around the karma machine with all our astral buddies until we were ripped into the fabric of reality. I was nothing more than color and energy being pulled apart and redistributed, ripping and flowing through the karma machine. I became God looking at itself. Looping over and over. Why God creates people, to experience itself. I met the watchers. The beautiful African type deities that view the fabric between the manifestation of God's Love. The space between God manifesting it's love between itself.
I went around the Karma machine laughing and realizing that all my stupid mistakes are the same types of stupid mistakes my Dad made. I see how my mistakes caused the suffering of other people. How my projection of reality could be "perfect" but sometimes it's more fun to throw objects at people, slow down time and flick droplets of water at people who were jerks to me. At least that's what I realized about my pre-trip situation. Seeing the future, astral traveling, knowing how time and space will unfold...fuck, sometimes it's just fun to be a jackass and savor the moment.
"At this point you're probably wondering why you're hearing voices and taking LSD...you created this entire scenario in your dream...whatever you want...whatever you mean...your entire life was already lived in your dream"
I made peace with some of my choices and found my inner self. My true guide towards peace and love.
This was THE MOST immersive, introspective, visual lysergimide trip I have ever had. I left my body. I saw people doing the most grotesque scenes of sex and humor I had ever scene. There were spirits, watchers, alien types, neon tubing and family members teaching me the entire time (much like life and much like dreaming).
300ug would have been way too much. I would put the dose at around 250ug and I spent most of the trip naked under the blankets in a dark room.
Treat this one with respect, it will knock your socks off in the best way possible.
Matt Parker and Trey Stone say hello.
The "Party Boys" picked me up and took me on the Dream Riviera, we coasted around the karma machine with all our astral buddies until we were ripped into the fabric of reality. I was nothing more than color and energy being pulled apart and redistributed, ripping and flowing through the karma machine. I became God looking at itself. Looping over and over. Why God creates people, to experience itself. I met the watchers. The beautiful African type deities that view the fabric between the manifestation of God's Love. The space between God manifesting it's love between itself.
I went around the Karma machine laughing and realizing that all my stupid mistakes are the same types of stupid mistakes my Dad made. I see how my mistakes caused the suffering of other people. How my projection of reality could be "perfect" but sometimes it's more fun to throw objects at people, slow down time and flick droplets of water at people who were jerks to me. At least that's what I realized about my pre-trip situation. Seeing the future, astral traveling, knowing how time and space will unfold...fuck, sometimes it's just fun to be a jackass and savor the moment.
"At this point you're probably wondering why you're hearing voices and taking LSD...you created this entire scenario in your dream...whatever you want...whatever you mean...your entire life was already lived in your dream"
I made peace with some of my choices and found my inner self. My true guide towards peace and love.
This was THE MOST immersive, introspective, visual lysergimide trip I have ever had. I left my body. I saw people doing the most grotesque scenes of sex and humor I had ever scene. There were spirits, watchers, alien types, neon tubing and family members teaching me the entire time (much like life and much like dreaming).
300ug would have been way too much. I would put the dose at around 250ug and I spent most of the trip naked under the blankets in a dark room.
Treat this one with respect, it will knock your socks off in the best way possible.
Matt Parker and Trey Stone say hello.
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First, these comparisons are done in a way so that the time-course doesn't influence differentiation. Of course, you could distinguish a drug that lasts 4 hours from one that lasts 8-10. That doesn't mean that you can tell the difference between their effects.
Second, mushrooms are not the same thing as psilocybin. Mushrooms are not exactly pleasant things to eat and they can produce nausea independent of the effect of psilocybin. The nausea has nothing to do with the hallucinogenic effects. You can't effectively do this type of comparison with mushrooms, it has to be pure psilocybin. What you are claiming is effectively like saying that the ethanol in vodka and wine is different because wine always gives you a headache and vodka doesn't.
Third, the fact that you are ingesting a hallucinogen in the form of a natural product (mushrooms) is going to markedly color your experience. People often report seeing mushroom-specific visual hallucinations.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say. *I* am saying that these are some of the differences that I have experienced between the 2 drugs, but by all means not all of the differences. I respectfully disagree; to me the time course of effects is a quantitative difference. And of course mushrooms are not the same as Psilocybin; I never said otherwise. And respectfully, yes I am doing this comparison with mushrooms because (wait for it) I am comparing mushrooms; I didn't mention Psilocin, Psilocybin, 4-AcO-DMT or any other specific chemical. The effect I get from mushrooms is different than the effect I get from 1P-LSD, I could tell them apart easily. You can't disprove that.
Yes, I've seen things on mushrooms that I haven't on 1P-LSD. Again, not sure what you're trying to say.
Maybe you misinterpreted my saying 'they just feel different' ? I'm saying that in the same sense that I would say 'I just don't like pancakes' because I don't.
Tom
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I said in my post that people were certainly going to feel that way. Honestly, the volunteers in these studies felt the same way. These were volunteers who were very experienced with psychedelics. Harold Abramson ran some of these experiments in the late 1960's. Each subject was given LSD, psilocybin, psilocin, mescaline and other hallucinogens on ~50 occasions. They ended up being very experienced with hallucinogens.
When the subjects were dosed blind and asked whether that had been given LSD or psilocin, most of the time they couldn't identify which one they had taken, or they would claim they had taken one drug when they had actually been given another.
If you look over the results, it is filled with descriptions like this:
"This subject could not distinguish between LSD and psilocybin"
"Data in this table also show the difficulties met by the members of this group of test subjects in their attempt to distinguish between LSD and psilocybin."
"Experiment 14 illustrates that this experienced subject could not distinguish between 50 mcg of LSD and psilocybin although in later experiments the group of test subjects as a whole learned to distinguish between the two drugs by the course of reaction rather than by the symptoms."
In short, the volunteers thought they could distinguish between the different drugs, but when their ability to do so was actually evaluated, they failed.
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