They are printed with 1P on them
I've had friends get off really hard taking 1 1/2 off the same sheet
Full blown visuals auras around people....and lasted longer for them also
I got effects from 300.....2 hours into it I smoked a bit of hash and it got pretty strong, but nothing like al described
Yeah, I see. That is strange.
But in my opinion, two adjacent blotters on a sheet could easily contain a 50% difference or more, by mistake. So that your friends got off doesn't mean much. In the end, there's probably several factors at play, but I find it most likely that the main culprit is unevenly laid blotters. When your tolerance resets, you should try again
I guess that some one who has extensive experience with dosing themselves and others, with liquid, volumetrically, could answer the question. And tell us if they're getting the same effects from the same dose - everytime.
I'm not saying there are NO differences between hallucinogens -- they are different drugs. I am saying that it is pointless to try to figure out if 1P is a prodrug based on any perceived subjective differences because of how variable the effects of hallucinogens can be, and because people are notoriously bad at objectively evaluating those differences. People can mistake one drug for another, and they may get qualitatively different effects from different doses or even from factors such as the color of a pill. If the placebo effect works when someone is sober, can you imagine how much it will be amplified in someone after taking 100 mcg LSD?
There were several studies that looked at the differences between individual hallucinations. Here is the one that I was specifically talking about. Again, I'm not claiming that there are no differences, just that they are not apparently useful if you want to try to identify which drug you have taken:
http://eywa.maps.org/w3pb/new/1967/1967_Abramson_1999_1.pdf
I just read that study, and I think I could conclude the exact opposite of it, than what they are. There's
only six people in the study. At 150 different occasions they are administered "something" which is either LSD-25. psilocybin, methysergide, BOL, LMP, LAE. LEP, LME, MLD or placebo.
They are also studying cross tolerance, giving one of the inactive LSD analogs for a week, before administering LSD. Which indeed did produce tolerance.
Well, to the point. Looking at these tables, except for one guy, I actually think that the 5 of them are pretty good at descerning LSD, psilocybin and placebo from each other.
Doses of the active psychedelics are pretty low. LSD doses ranging from 25 ug (barely above the official treshold of 20 ug) to 50 ug (which surely is a trip, but not a strong one). But the LSD dose given most often is 35 ug - that is not a strong dose. It just isn't.
Psilocybin is given mostly in either 3 mg or 6 mg doses.
My point is, the lower the dose the more difficult it is to discern different characteristics of that compound. I am sure I couldn't feel any difference either between 25-35 ug of LSD and 3-4 mg psilocybin. But with bigger dosages, I'm sure I could. All psychedelics appear the same at just above treshold, imo. Slight euphoria, slight color enhancement, giddiness and restlessness., or maybe a languid bodyfeeling - nothing more. Maybe some slight color sploches with closed eyes, what could become CEW's at higher doses.
So, of the 6 test persons one is completely hopeless at discerning LSD and psilocybin. It's funny, because I have a friend, and to him 2C-I and LSD is almost the same, while to me, they're worlds apart. Two very different experiences. It just leads me to the conclusion, that some people just aren't really open to the differences between psychedelics - either because they just don't think about it (notice it) or maybe because of how they are built, what do I know.
It's like the whole 4-aco-dmt vs 4-ho-dmt debate. Some people swear they are different, while others swears they're completely identical.
Add to that, the study is made in 1965, Even if they are said to be experienced participants, I think that is a relative concept back then, compared to people on here today, that have litteraly 1000s of trips under their belt, with many many different compounds.
This is from the summary of the study, notice the underscored part:
"Data from more than 150 experiments including placebo trials are presented. Although it was found that differences in the rates of action and in the duration of action were observed, the effects of the drugs,
as measured by the questionnaire, were strikingly similar at their respective dosages just above the threshold level and at 2 to 3 times above these levels."
In my opinion, you can't conclude that drugs are similar, because of what somebody answers in a questionair. To draw any certain conclusions on the subjective differences between LSD and psilocybin, a better study than that is needed, surely.
And, I think that chalking any differences between different compounds up to placebo, is making something very complex into something very simple. And while placebo is very real, wine tasting, using your taste buds, and an all-encompasing psychedelic experience just can't be compared.
And just because studies have been made, that prooves that people can get better from placebo medicine, doesn't mean either that that study can be used directly to draw conclusions on psychedelic drugs and placebo.
All that said, it's not that I disagree very much with your last post, it's just that believing everything is down to placebo, is just as silly as completely discounting the placebo effect.
And as I've already said once, 1-P-LSD and LSD are so very very close, that I completely agree with you, that any differences that people are reporting in this thread are probably because of placebo or what ever.
