Opioids Using recreationaly again after detoxing?

[Keif' Richards]

You've been addicted and dependent once, so I think this is a fair indicator that you will not be able to use casually again. I'm sure it happens, but the opioid addict who returns to use in a "responsible" way is more elusive than a unicorn.

 

[johnloperamide]

It is against the rules to source or brand name so a mod will probably edit it, unless you do it first.

But yeah I have, they had some horrible chemical smell to them. They also shipped me black sesame seeds instead of poppy seeds when I ordered from them once, never again.

Nasty shit, you can see in the reviews how they went from being loved to hated by everyone, I feel like it's only a matter of time for Sincerely Nuts as well.. every single review talks about PST, the dumbasses are going to force people to take them away

 

[Psych_Major]

And you guys like brew these things into a tea? Oh I see so basically it is less strong than even hydrocodone... that doesn't seem very worth it to me but hey I haven't enjoyed hydrocodone since I was about 13... that's Tylenol to me. You know the idea of trading one addiction for another sounds perfect for you johnloperamide... the new trade dosent have to be a drug! Just a thought.

 

[Usa51]

I just went 6 days without opiates using sub taper. Used last night into this morning. Let you know how I make out. No desire to use again. See how I feel tom if I need little sub or noting at all

 

[johnloperamide]

And you guys like brew these things into a tea? Oh I see so basically it is less strong than even hydrocodone... that doesn't seem very worth it to me but hey I haven't enjoyed hydrocodone since I was about 13... that's Tylenol to me. You know the idea of trading one addiction for another sounds perfect for you johnloperamide... the new trade dosent have to be a drug! Just a thought.

Well, if you read online enough you will see that a lot of people find it stronger to hydro, oxy, some people have said heroin, which sounds like bullshit to me..

Yes, you put them in a large container, pour water, shake for 3-5 min, drain it and drink it

I'm confused by your last statement, what do you mean? trading for what addiction?

 

[Psych_Major]

This is ur thread yea? I was referring to the PST... and like I said I just barley googled it to ensure I knew what it was. I've been an IV heroI'm user I don't think I'd benefit much from this drink... if I try it I'll let u know how it compares! They always said 'roxis' were like heroin and I can see the similarities without the rush of course, but still it's no competition...

 

[Psych_Major]

I just went 6 days without opiates using sub taper. Used last night into this morning. Let you know how I make out. No desire to use again. See how I feel tom if I need little sub or noting at all

Wow I'm in the exact same situation. Been doing sub taper for 5 days now. Today is the first day with no subs, im out here on the job only because he had to work im just hanging out. We might finish our quarter of a sub tonight just because we have it, feelin good today! Haven't used but my other half did a very small amount last night, I stayed off it wasn't enough anyway even he didn't feel anything so split would have been a sad useless poke. But our taper has been going very well. Of course there is the desire to have that feel good, that rush. But I don't think that ever really goes away, just lessens.

 

[Erikmen]

I think we try our best to jeopardize the soberness and go back to being addicted. We lie to ourselves all the time IMO. And sometimes we need someone else to agree with such madness.

 

[Psych_Major]

Very true. The lifestyle of being an addict is like 50% lying to ourselves and others and making up excuses for ourselves. I literally used to come up with every stupid excuse in the world to quit some other day. Like I have to work today I'll quit tomorrow. I'm on the rag right now I'll quit next week. Crazy retarded shit looking back. U have to just say here and now no exceptions or excuses. That ain't easy either.

 

[johnloperamide]

Well idk if this thread actually helped or not but I have already decided not to use next week, who knows about the one after that..

I'm on day 7 and I feel like shit, and to make it worse I have to be on my feet 8 hours... I have this horrible, pain weird sensation in my arms and legs, especially arms... It's like the opposite of that good warm opiate feeling in the legs and arm, like its disphoric cousin

Like fuck, day 7 after only 1.5 months and I still feel like shit, still got a fever... I can't even imagine the pain a long term user goes through...

 

[Psych_Major]

Well imagine about 300mg of oxy a day for 2 years then picking up IVing about 32mg of dilaudid a day for about another yearish... then IVing about a half gram of heroin a day for the last seven months.... something along those lines give or take.... that is what I am detoxing from now. I live in a motel, barley eat because I have no money, my spotless record now has shoplifting charges which of course was because the paycheck couldnt feed us put gas in the car and get our fix, my car (I wouldn't have if my gand father didn't buy for me) is the worst wreck u have ever seen complete with on the verge of popping bald tires no hood and a shattered windsheild, I'm in some serious debt to banks, most of my family and friends will not speak to me, my husband works his ass off (somehow thru this all God bless him) thank God cuz I have no job. And there is a lot more joy and good fortune in my life I didn't mention... anyway so yea that's where addiction takes you... I have quit a dozen times, this time I feel I don't have a choice. If I don't we will be homeless and have nothing for the rest of our pathetic lives. I really feel like this is our last chance. That's why it's going to work this time. I have the faith. There is no choice but success for us now or we may as well throw in the towel and leave this earth. I know we will be able to do it and lead good happy lives. A lot of it is psychological, and with knowing it is going to work out is like a meracle waiting to happen, it still don't help the physical symptoms... but that's where subutex comes in and when used correctly and only for a week or so... let me tell you that stuff is the golden ticket. If you have that, then all you have to do is have enough desire to STAY clean. But my point to you is hell yea do it whIle you are still on the easier side of it. Just think, if you get through this and stay clean, you will never have to deal with this bullshit & pain ever again... it's worth it to never feel this way again right? And the only way to ENSURE that is to never touch the crap again. Maybe not FOREVER... but for long enough for this right here and now to feel so distant that it could have just been a bad dream. If you look at the bigger picture in life, the small amount of euphoria and short lived high is not worth the long and hard path it takes the wheel and leads you down. My life is disgusting I have no problem admitting that, what I have a problem with is knowing that and not taking the steps to correct it!! Anyone can do it if they really want it and have the faith. Sorry about the long rant u just struck something in me...

 

[d1ahp]

Very true. The lifestyle of being an addict is like 50% lying to ourselves and others and making up excuses for ourselves. I literally used to come up with every stupid excuse in the world to quit some other day. Like I have to work today I'll quit tomorrow. I'm on the rag right now I'll quit next week. Crazy retarded shit looking back. U have to just say here and now no exceptions or excuses. That ain't easy either.

How close to NC are you? Charlotte, to be precise.

 

[Psych_Major]

Wow that's funny... I'm actually in NC right now for my husband's work I drove them up here to the site and it only took us an hour to get to Fletcher. I'm not sure where Charlotte is I've only lived in SC for 8 months I'm from FL.

 

[BJCS333]

If you know you can do it then you can do it if you dont know you can do it then you can't do it simple

 

[pbuilder]

Well idk if this thread actually helped or not but I have already decided not to use next week, who knows about the one after that..

I'm on day 7 and I feel like shit, and to make it worse I have to be on my feet 8 hours... I have this horrible, pain weird sensation in my arms and legs, especially arms... It's like the opposite of that good warm opiate feeling in the legs and arm, like its disphoric cousin

Like fuck, day 7 after only 1.5 months and I still feel like shit, still got a fever... I can't even imagine the pain a long term user goes through...

Judging by your username I'm guessing you sometimes use high dose loperamide to stay well? If so, please stop. As more people are learning about high dose loperamide on the internet, more cases of serious cardiac problems leading to cardiac arrest and death are popping up in medical journals on the internet. It is cardiotoxic and leads to QTc prolongation of the heart and fucks with the electric system eventually leading to cardiac arrythmia's and even worse, torsades de pointes and this leading to people collapsing suddenly and just dieing do to cardiac arrest. It seems almost all reports I've read of people using high dose loperamide eventually leads to them saying they are feeling "extremely weak", very fatigued, very exhausted all the time, and feeling faint or even fainting. This is all do to serious heart problems that are caused from the use of high dose loperamide. Just letting you know so if you do use it to stay well sometimes or often, or have in the past, please stop NOW or you may end up dead from sudden cardiac arrest.

Here's some info from a previous opiate user that switched to loperamide to avoid withdrawals and then began increasing her dose of loperamide (as she began experiencing withdrawals again and didn't want to face them so she kept increasing her dose), which ended up leading to her needing to be defibrillated 30+ times in the hospital after her heart stopped. It was 100% caused by the high dose loperamide. This seems like a GUARENTEE of heart problems for every single person that uses high dose loperamide for a long period of time, not just some rare instances. This cardiotoxic information is only now just being raised because they are finally having people admit they have been using high dose loperamide when they show up in the ER with there heart in severe arrythmia and then stopping. But imagine how many people never tell the doctor they are abusing loperamide do to the embaressment of being hooked on "poop" meds, and unaware that the cardiac problems they are experiencing are do to loperamide. I'm sure addicts maintaining with loperamide die every single day from there heart stopping and the cause of death is unknown since loperamide doesn't show up in a standard toxicology report. Cardiac arrthmia's generally don't have obvious signs which is why people don't realize there heart is seriously about to go into cardiac arrest, until there heart is already in VERY BAD cardiac arrythmia's or even worse, torsades de pointes, which will then cause obvious symptoms of severe weakness, fatigue, and fainting.

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[Psych_Major]

If you know you can do it then you can do it if you dont know you can do it then you can't do it simple

Damn straight man. Simple as that.

 

[johnloperamide]

I tried to get high using loperamide about 2 months ago before the seeds in my search for a legal high as I was tired of alcohol and I must have done it 4 times and got scared of the digestive issues and stopped completely, I believe I experienced maybe 2 days of feeling kinda bad after, I remember saying I felt bad but didn't realize it was withdrawals... I took 36mg on my first day of withdrawal from PST so I could make it to work and after than I never took more than 10mg... I've been tempted to try to use it to make withdrawals symptoms better but I was afraid it might just postpone it for later and my goal is to feel normal again with nothing in my body... These past 5 months I've been shit, 2-3 months drinking all the time and now this... I am done with drugs

I answered this to the person who basically asked why my name had loperamide on it, for some reason it didn't quote

 

[johnloperamide]

Well imagine about 300mg of oxy a day for 2 years then picking up IVing about 32mg of dilaudid a day for about another yearish... then IVing about a half gram of heroin a day for the last seven months.... something along those lines give or take.... that is what I am detoxing from now. I live in a motel, barley eat because I have no money, my spotless record now has shoplifting charges which of course was because the paycheck couldnt feed us put gas in the car and get our fix, my car (I wouldn't have if my gand father didn't buy for me) is the worst wreck u have ever seen complete with on the verge of popping bald tires no hood and a shattered windsheild, I'm in some serious debt to banks, most of my family and friends will not speak to me, my husband works his ass off (somehow thru this all God bless him) thank God cuz I have no job. And there is a lot more joy and good fortune in my life I didn't mention... anyway so yea that's where addiction takes you... I have quit a dozen times, this time I feel I don't have a choice. If I don't we will be homeless and have nothing for the rest of our pathetic lives. I really feel like this is our last chance. That's why it's going to work this time. I have the faith. There is no choice but success for us now or we may as well throw in the towel and leave this earth. I know we will be able to do it and lead good happy lives. A lot of it is psychological, and with knowing it is going to work out is like a meracle waiting to happen, it still don't help the physical symptoms... but that's where subutex comes in and when used correctly and only for a week or so... let me tell you that stuff is the golden ticket. If you have that, then all you have to do is have enough desire to STAY clean. But my point to you is hell yea do it whIle you are still on the easier side of it. Just think, if you get through this and stay clean, you will never have to deal with this bullshit & pain ever again... it's worth it to never feel this way again right? And the only way to ENSURE that is to never touch the crap again. Maybe not FOREVER... but for long enough for this right here and now to feel so distant that it could have just been a bad dream. If you look at the bigger picture in life, the small amount of euphoria and short lived high is not worth the long and hard path it takes the wheel and leads you down. My life is disgusting I have no problem admitting that, what I have a problem with is knowing that and not taking the steps to correct it!! Anyone can do it if they really want it and have the faith. Sorry about the long rant u just struck something in me...

I'm sorry it's been so hard for you and all... I had no idea you had so much experience with this crap when you were giving advice... But see you should definitely listen to advice you're giving me and stop for real this time... You said a lot is psychological and staying positive knowing you can do it and it will work and I agree, and that is exactly how I feel... I tried tapering and failed so went CT, I thought that I could taper and avoid all pain, big mistake, and that caused me to use for 2 more weeks.. I'm finishing day 7 and I've almost erased all ideas of using recreationally again in the nearby future, this has been too painful to repeat... My skin won't stop burning and hurting, it's such a weird feeling idk if anyone relates to this... It's mostly on my arms and chest and back and neck, just this sensation that my skin is burning, I hate it

 

[emjay]

I'm sorry it's been so hard for you and all... I had no idea you had so much experience with this crap when you were giving advice... But see you should definitely listen to advice you're giving me and stop for real this time... You said a lot is psychological and staying positive knowing you can do it and it will work and I agree, and that is exactly how I feel... I tried tapering and failed so went CT, I thought that I could taper and avoid all pain, big mistake, and that caused me to use for 2 more weeks.. I'm finishing day 7 and I've almost erased all ideas of using recreationally again in the nearby future, this has been too painful to repeat... My skin won't stop burning and hurting, it's such a weird feeling idk if anyone relates to this... It's mostly on my arms and chest and back and neck, just this sensation that my skin is burning, I hate it

That's the worst part of it for me too, that hyper-stimulated burning feeling. It's a result of a lot of excess adrenaline. Clonidine gets rid of it completely for me.

 

[KillSurfCity]

i quit using oxymorphone and heroin 3 years ago and stopped the bupe 2 years ago. since then i have taken hydros maybe 4 times (20-30mg) which was probably playing with fire but it seems to be something i can do now and then (and by now and then i mean maybe twice a year and probably shouldn't even be risking it). i don't advise it at all but i can't say i haven't had a blast those several times. brings back memories of the early days of opiate use, before it became a chore, i had pawned all my shit, and lost all of my real friends. haha