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The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Four

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Just dropped my first psychedelic! 4-aco-dmt. Anything I should know? I think I got the basics, I'm alone at home though, got some pink floyd, zeppellin playing. Didn't have a scale but used a tiny measuring spoon that is supposed to measure 10-15mg on one side and 30-35 on the other.
 
Quick question. How does 4-Aco-DMT go together with SNRI such as 4-BMC, a-php which I guess just as a-pvp is an NDRI and 4f-pvp?
I know not to mix a-php and 4f-pvp cause that kills people, but combining for example a-php with 4-aco-DMT?
 
crestfallen said:
Just dropped my first psychedelic! 4-aco-dmt. Anything I should know? I think I got the basics, I'm alone at home though, got some pink floyd, zeppellin playing. Didn't have a scale but used a tiny measuring spoon that is supposed to measure 10-15mg on one side and 30-35 on the other.
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How did it go? Those measuring spoons are not reliable because every substance has a different density... 15mg of one substance could take up the same volume as 5mg or 50mg of another. I strongly recommend getting a cheap milligram scale, you can get a decent one (the AWS Gemini-20) from Amazon for $20-$30 including shipping. Make sure it's a .001g scale (they also sell .01g scales for basically the same price but you don't want that as it only measures to 10mg increments).

fur10us said:
Quick question. How does 4-Aco-DMT go together with SNRI such as 4-BMC, a-php which I guess just as a-pvp is an NDRI and 4f-pvp?
I know not to mix a-php and 4f-pvp cause that kills people, but combining for example a-php with 4-aco-DMT?
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It's probably not particularly dangerous but it doesn't sound like an enjoyable combination... generally strong stimulants and psychedelics don't mix that well in terms of enjoyable effects.
 
Fwiw- I've put a little ethylphenidate in with other psychs and found it not too bad, VERY low doses, like 5 mg bumps at a time. It kinda kills the trip and it does get a little manic if y you take too much. I wouldn't really want a stim on 4-aco-dmt though.Itseems to work well enough on its own
 
Tried this at 6-7mg IV.
plunger down, noting for 2-3 seconds then, It came on just like smoking DMT, I havent smoked DMT in years but I recognized that feeling right away, only kept my eyes a open a couple seconds and looked at my wood grain cabinet and grow tent, classic woodgrain weirdness, and morphing on my perfectly cube tent, then closed my eyes. There was an uncomfortable euphoria and energy, anxious and had to retreat under my blankets, it was kinda messy/harsh feeling, then it got friendly, I envisioned thousands of squares in every color of the rainbow, then I was able to retain some sense of ego, I was in control of every tile and could build them up into incredible structures and then collapse them into nothing, make the squares into massive waves and watch them crash, it was beautiful, I spent some more time under the blanket just taking it all in, my feet were cold and teeth and muscles were clentching and tensing up quite badly, I quite often found my hands in fists.
Some time during the 1st hour I threw up once but a lot, felt quite nauseous throught the experience but only threw up that first time, but for the most part was a very enjoyable, peaceful trip. I was watching the sun go down listineng to some music in pure ecstasy, It was nice to just chill and have nothing on my mind other than how beautiful each moment was. The energy from the chem is often overwhelming for me but this time I was able to channel the energy through dancing and tai chi, I found tai chi ridiculous when I was learning about it, But the energy I had just flowed so well through it that I noticed I was instinctively doing the movements and it was very soothing.

Id say the first 15mins are very much like a dmt trip, then it turns into a classic 4-aco-dmt trip except it only lasted 4 hours, baseline by 5hrs, but it was also only 5-7mg. I always find 4-aco-dmt to make me pretty anxious and tense, and make me nauseous, this was a pretty enjoyable trip. I was left a bit worn out and feeling like id been swimming in the ocean all day, which is normal for me. also felt overly heated at times.

Though it was mostly enjoyable I have no desire to IV this again, Im much more intersted in going for something lighthearted like 4-ho-met seems to be. There are times when I want deep trips like 4-aco-dmt can produce but not enough that its something that I would wanna stock up on.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6rBZnYF4y0&list=PL6EAE27C1DC2E2BFF
this is what I was jammin to during the comedown, perfect, relaxing, and for me a bit nostalgic.
 
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I always find 4-aco-dmt to make me a bit anxious and tense
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Exact same thing for me. I can't ever get into it because of that, it's good to know that I'm not alone.

It's funny you were talking about building things, I was doing something similar in my MXE trip earlier and years ago when I was smoked Salvia that happened too. I had forgotten about that entirely, thanks for the reminder.

Thanks for sharing. I have never IV'd anything... I've been thinking maybe IM but IV is just too far for me but the way you describe your IV trip is how I felt about it orally. Intense but too anxious. The benzos are all over this one for me.
 
yes you know after this time, I realized I cant get into it either, a gram will probably sit in the collection for eternity as I also get the same unwanted effects orally. Need something less rough, mentally and physically.

As for the IV route, this is the only psychedelic I ever iv'ed and I had just been waiting for the right moment since like 3-4 years ago when I got my first batch and witnessed my friend be blown away by a tiny amount IV, so since then Ive always told myself I will do this one day when I was ready. The IV route may hold purpose depending on what your looking for, as the first 15 or so minuets are more akin to a DMT trip but with the ability to take more in id say. The anxiety and intensity make it hard for me to take a lot from it though.

Thanks for reading, I didnt want to do a full trip report (saving my creative writing juices for other chems ;) haha ) but I did want to share my experience as when I was searching for first hand IV trip reports there were not many.

this one always calls for benzos with me too.
Speaking of benzos I did take my daily subs/etizolam(2mg and .5mg) like 2 hours in, though I take etizolam daily, it still makes me high the first hour or so.

edit:I saw you said your tryptamine tolerance had went down from 0 to -2 in the past few years, weird you say that because 4-aco-dmt was very easy going a few years back, and returning to it this year it is what I typed in my mini report.
 
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Do you guys think 4 aco dmt would be fun to take at a party? Ive taken it one other time at 25mg which I thought was a bit strong/debilitating so I thought 17mg would be a perfect, more recreational dose. I like the idea of taking psychs and talking to a bunch of drunk people
 
MedicinalHeroin said:
Do you guys think 4 aco dmt would be fun to take at a party? Ive taken it one other time at 25mg which I thought was a bit strong/debilitating so I thought 17mg would be a perfect, more recreational dose. I like the idea of taking psychs and talking to a bunch of drunk people
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I would find it very confusing, since I would imagine an ego loss at a party... Too much stimulus, unknown people, there...

For parties I prefer phenethylamines like 2C-B. If you want more intensity, try to preload with a bit (80mg-120mg) of MDMA 4 hours beforehand.
 
Ive done 15mg oral tonight
that was a hard trip. I dont think I like this compound. A sinister feeling and a tense feeling was over me. My CEV was very like a sub breakthrough dmt visual. The CEV was dark, sinister, really bad vibe.
I think ive either disrespected the moment to do it, or its not for me. But I was not able to go with it and comfortable. it was very traumatising. my cev had very dark presence and I couldnt escape it. there was crazyness, bones, skelet, the death feeling around me was very there.

so yeah, I felt like shit for 3 hours. im happy its over.
it was not even strong at all, but the mental feeling was very unpleasant.
my friend also did a stronger 30 mg dose and also hated it. he had very good oev but they seemed very disturbbing and not beautiful fractal at all.

I was not able to be calm and just go with the flow.

anyways, glad its over.
 
Was set and setting a variable? Too me this stuff is just eye candy. I haven't taken any for a month or two but last time I just heald a plastic bag in my hand and watched it expand and contract for a while. More visual than any psychological response.
 
you said it much better then I do, but this was also my experience. it made me think and amplify problems that wasnt there. was a bit manic and I was not able to snap out of it totally. the only great aspect was after the peak at the comedown where the afterglow was great.

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I have never had a good experience on either mushrooms or 4-AcO-DMT (at least not alone, I just recalled an experience where I combined 4-AcO-DMT with 2c-b, and that was very enjoyable). I always feel very uneasy and anxious, with no positive benefit. While LSD can make me feel uneasy and anxious at times, it is usually because I am looking at myself or some situation I am in from a detached perspective, and I am simply telling myself to make changes where those behaviors are concerned. Basically, I feel uneasy about situations that exist, shit that is true. 4-AcO-DMT puts me in negative thought loops where I spend the peak of my trip obsessing about things that are not true, and it therefore serves no benefit to me.

The only aspect I enjoy is the warm, glowing euphoria I experience after the peak has worn off, and I return to reality again. I love that feeling. But it is ultimately not worth the negative experience when there are other hallucinogens out there.
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Sorry to jump in..
I have taken mushrooms before and I had a very unpleasant bad trip.
It happened again and I decided it wasn´t for me.
I´m better off doing opiates.
 
Everyone (almost everyone) has good experiences with opiates... until they stop having good experiences and find themselves at the bottom of a huge hole they dug with seemingly no way out.

Psychedelics aren't for everyone... but opiates usually lead to ruin, except in isolated cases or for some when used for legitimate pain... for those without addictive tendencies towards them anyway.
 
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Have you taken mushrooms before? If so, did you like them?
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yes, I love mushroom. they seem to have a teacher. it can be hard, but its not just hard, its a lot more then hard. 4 aco dmt was just unpleasant and dark. was cold, hot, manic thinking. but I tend to prefer mescaline type, more then tryptamines.
I think maybe my setting wasnt perfect, but clearly, it made me see and feel and think negatively. also, I had pressure on my chest. realy uncomfortable. my friend as had also the same experience. I dont understand. maybe its just me.



but I have had only one breakthourgh of dmt which terrorized me.

I will experiement with other tryptamine. I now have 5-meo-mipt, 4-aco det and DPT. I loved my first low dose DPT, will likely try again tonight with a higher dpt dosage.
 
You might want to think about taking a break for a couple more days murphythecat. I think you said you did some DPT just a few days ago, and then 4-AcO-DMT just yesterday. I remember when I did mushrooms really frequently it increased the chances of having negative trips like the one you just described on your 4-AcO-DMT.
 
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