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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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Tazz4268 said:
The manager at the head shop I buy from pronounces Kratum with the A sound in rAy. I assume she knows best. ;)
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Headshops are a ripoff btw. You can get stronger cheaper stuff online, but I have been guilty of buy from headshops sometimes for convenance and urgency.
 
Haha "headshop"..."knows best". Hilarious! The majority of headshops barely know the basics. And this ^
 
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CaptainKratom said:
I pronounce it Kra-tum.


Just saw this... Pinpoint you lucky sum'bitch! Talk about a score, I would've paid to see the look on the vendors face when he got your email =D. Was this from the vendor that starts with a P? Anyways go easy, your gonna want to soften that landing from UEI to plain leaf.
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Hah, yes it was them. I figured they just doubled the order by accident, but whenever I saw 'Ultra Enhanced Indo' '28 grams' I almost shit. Trust me, I didn't take it all, I gave it away so some friends who were in need. I used it to introduce quite a few people to the power of kratom (or at least UEI). Either way though, it was a nice $200+ score. They usually send me a 1 gram sample of UEI or Gold Standard or something but someone must've been getting high on their own supply to screw up that badly. :D
 
ill be using Kratom within the next few months; where do you guys/gals buy your gel tabs from? also, how do you know how much kratom is in the tab? or are you just weighting it out before you put all in the tabs?

I am coming off methadone and will be using Kratom once I am down to ZIP/ZERO/ZILCH - or should I start earlier? anyway, has anyone does this before? coming off methadone or dope and used Kratom to help? what dosage have you used to do so?

I TRIED Kratom TWICE in my life; first time I did 12Gs and it did ZERO for me, but I was shooting 1-2G's of dope a day, so I can understand why. 2nd time I tried it I was on 75, maybe a little more, MG's of methadone; so, once again, I understand why I didnt feel anything, or at least I know do because at the time I thought using Kratom on top of what I was on would be me HIGHER.. but I was wrong, for ONCE IN MY LIFE, lol.

any suggestions here? any Kratom users who were past heavy dope fiends/methadone peeps?
 
BostonBrownTown said:
ill be using Kratom within the next few months; where do you guys/gals buy your gel tabs from? also, how do you know how much kratom is in the tab? or are you just weighting it out before you put all in the tabs?

I am coming off methadone and will be using Kratom once I am down to ZIP/ZERO/ZILCH - or should I start earlier? anyway, has anyone does this before? coming off methadone or dope and used Kratom to help? what dosage have you used to do so?

I TRIED Kratom TWICE in my life; first time I did 12Gs and it did ZERO for me, but I was shooting 1-2G's of dope a day, so I can understand why. 2nd time I tried it I was on 75, maybe a little more, MG's of methadone; so, once again, I understand why I didnt feel anything, or at least I know do because at the time I thought using Kratom on top of what I was on would be me HIGHER.. but I was wrong, for ONCE IN MY LIFE, lol.

any suggestions here? any Kratom users who were past heavy dope fiends/methadone peeps?
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Kratom will not get you high if you are on methadone or heroin at any dose. It will reduce your withdrawal symptoms 60-80% depending on the quality of the kratom. Don't buy gelcaps - they are overpriced and generally garbage. We can't give you a direct source, but look for a vendor that is "certified" on forums that focus on kratom. If you can afford UEI [ultra enhanced indo] then that may reduce your symptoms 90%+, but it is pricey and you need to get it from the right source. ssUEI is all I can say without giving a source.
 
Hopefully this post dosen't encourage cyber bullying like my last one!

I'm on day 3 of my Kratom use for Vicodin withdrawl. I downed 8-9 5/500 Vic's for 10 1/2 years. 3 days ago I STOPPED taking the Vic's and started using Kratom for withdrawals. I'm taking 2 Kratom jell tabs 3X a day and my WD have been "0"!!!!

I've tried CT and reducing my habit in the passed and never made it!!

I'm going to start reducing the Kratom intake starting Sunday.
 
Tazz4268 said:
Hopefully this post dosen't encourage cyber bullying like my last one!

I'm on day 3 of my Kratom use for Vicodin withdrawl. I downed 8-9 5/500 Vic's for 10 1/2 years. 3 days ago I STOPPED taking the Vic's and started using Kratom for withdrawals. I'm taking 2 Kratom jell tabs 3X a day and my WD have been "0"!!!!

I've tried CT and reducing my habit in the passed and never made it!!

I'm going to start reducing the Kratom intake starting Sunday.
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You're just prolonging the withdrawal with Kratom. Once you reduce the Kratom you'll feel the withdrawal, although not as bad as if you had gone cold turkey. People don't understand that switching to another opioid is accomplishing nothing unless it helps you taper easier (i.e. heroin ---> bupe)
 
pinpoint said:
Kratom will not get you high if you are on methadone or heroin at any dose. It will reduce your withdrawal symptoms 60-80% depending on the quality of the kratom. Don't buy gelcaps - they are overpriced and generally garbage. We can't give you a direct source, but look for a vendor that is "certified" on forums that focus on kratom. If you can afford UEI [ultra enhanced indo] then that may reduce your symptoms 90%+, but it is pricey and you need to get it from the right source. ssUEI is all I can say without giving a source.
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I already have my Kratom but I picked it up in June and wont be using till mid Dec; so could it have gone "bad"?

Price is not an issue at all; esp. since I was spending so much on dope anyway, so one buy of Kratom, based on my last picked-up and pricing, would be no issue. I was always told 10G's is the right dose.
 
pinpoint said:
You're just prolonging the withdrawal with Kratom. Once you reduce the Kratom you'll feel the withdrawal, although not as bad as if you had gone cold turkey. People don't understand that switching to another opioid is accomplishing nothing unless it helps you taper easier (i.e. heroin ---> bupe)
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Im well aware of the "replacement" monkey. My goal is to use Kratom as a "tool" to rid myself of this drug!!
After that is done I will then work on myself. Maybe I'm on the wrong thread.........
 
^Good, I know a lot of people with success switching from pharmaceutical opioids to kratom. It is a much easier withdrawal.

BostonBrownTown said:
I already have my Kratom but I picked it up in June and wont be using till mid Dec; so could it have gone "bad"?

Price is not an issue at all; esp. since I was spending so much on dope anyway, so one buy of Kratom, based on my last picked-up and pricing, would be no issue. I was always told 10G's is the right dose.
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I mean if plain leaf doesn't cut it for you then UEI would be your best bet. The problem is the cost of UEI - almost on par with dope IMO.
 
Question may have been asked before...

I came off of H and benzos C/T about 9 months ago. Very dark period of my life. Still particulary PAWS'y, but probably 90 percent of my symptoms are benzo related at this point. Good lord those nasty drugs never let go of you..

Anyway, question I have is, would it be redonkulously bad to take some kratom this far out? I really don't even plan on it until benzo paws is done fucking with me. Will it reset my opiate paws after one or two brief uses?

I don't even want to justify why I want to do it. If it's an extremely serious risk to my recovery, I wont. Any outside experience/advice, let me know.

GMSP
 
It's not going to reset your PAWS, it can definitely trigger psychological cravings after use since it's an opiate itself.
 
I have an issue somewhat related as well... I was using a combination of Kratom and actual opiates, mostly oxy awhile back, quit the opiates but stayed on Kratom. Finally quit the Kratom as well and had hellish withrawals, akin to a combination of both oxy and Kratom withdrawals - the Kratom was holding back the oxy withdrawals most definitely, even long after quitting the oxy. Then even after the worst was over, I kept messing with Kratom on and off briefly for a couple of months after that. This seemed to protract and delay the recovery from withdrawal. Now, I have been 7 weeks completely clean of Kratom and opiates up until this past weekend, when I gave in to some Kratom use again, due to what I feel was PAWS but I'm really not sure... the opiate use back then was very brief, but intense, a couple weeks of around the clock dosing, due to surgery... so could the Kratom have really been prolonging the PAWS symptoms from all the way back then? I have been addicted to oxy in the past as well so I understand the whole body remembering and getting re-addicted quicker thing. I definitely had anxiety, irritability, decreased tolerance/temper, headaches, and still this weird creepy crawly skin/restless/burning feeling in my legs. This was about 6 months after stopping the oxy and 4 months after stopping regular Kratom use, and 7 weeks after touching my last dose of Kratom at all. Could that little bit of oxy use way back really be responsible for this type of PAWS or is it the Kratom? And btw the, from just 2 days of a few uses, I'm withdrawing again. Not too hard, but it's definitely there.
 
whiteroom67 said:
I have an issue somewhat related as well... I was using a combination of Kratom and actual opiates, mostly oxy awhile back, quit the opiates but stayed on Kratom. Finally quit the Kratom as well and had hellish withrawals, akin to a combination of both oxy and Kratom withdrawals - the Kratom was holding back the oxy withdrawals most definitely, even long after quitting the oxy. Then even after the worst was over, I kept messing with Kratom on and off briefly for a couple of months after that. This seemed to protract and delay the recovery from withdrawal. Now, I have been 7 weeks completely clean of Kratom and opiates up until this past weekend, when I gave in to some Kratom use again, due to what I feel was PAWS but I'm really not sure... the opiate use back then was very brief, but intense, a couple weeks of around the clock dosing, due to surgery... so could the Kratom have really been prolonging the PAWS symptoms from all the way back then? I have been addicted to oxy in the past as well so I understand the whole body remembering and getting re-addicted quicker thing. I definitely had anxiety, irritability, decreased tolerance/temper, headaches, and still this weird creepy crawly skin/restless/burning feeling in my legs. This was about 6 months after stopping the oxy and 4 months after stopping regular Kratom use, and 7 weeks after touching my last dose of Kratom at all. Could that little bit of oxy use way back really be responsible for this type of PAWS or is it the Kratom? And btw the, from just 2 days of a few uses, I'm withdrawing again. Not too hard, but it's definitely there.
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I think that Kratom completely prolongs PAWS and withdrawal from actual opiate. For about 9 months I combined 12 grams of kratom 3 times a day, with 30mg of oxycodone 3 times a day. My source for oxy got cut off, and I was stuck with just kratom. To my surprise, I had very little WD other than severe insomnia. No depression, no shits, no yawning or sneezing. No restless legs! I did notice I had to take a bit more kratom than normal though.

HOWEVER. Before, when I was taking kratom by itself, I would go months straight, multiple times a day, and quit no problem. Now, every 5 hours if I don't dose, I start yawning, getting severe restless legs, chills, sweats, and my back starts hurting very bad. I wake up twice a night shivering and kicking and redose with the kratom. I believe that this is actually the oxy withdrawals, and kratom is holding them from starting, similar to suboxone with dope. I never had WD from kratom before I mixed with actual opiates.

I also no longer get high from kratom. Yesterday I used oxy for the first time since I quit a few months ago. I only did 30mg, and I actually caught a nod, due to low tolerance. However this morning I woke up in SEVERE withdrawal. Took 15mg of oxy, and my normal kratom dose, and caught a little buzz, no WD.

I think mixing actual opies with kratom is what can lead some people to have severe withdrawal from kratom. This is why some people claim its impossible to WD from kratom, but others say the WD is hell. It just depends if you combine it with actual opiates or UEI.
 
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