You nailed it man, no question!
Reports on PARGY-LAD (newly offered lysergamide)?
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You nailed it man, no question!
perpetualdawn
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If you (I) make enough guesses, one of them will be right 
Sandbwoy
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It's a shame they couldn't be clearer on the 'purchase intent' details, all it says is 'Legal LSD analogue' and there is no mention that what they had was sold to them as PARGY-LAD. It's also a shame no photograph was included in the report. A photograph and confirmation that the sample was supposed to be PARGY-LAD would have been better proof. Does anyone know who it was that sent in the sample? I'm just wanting to be certain that this really was one of the alleged PARGY-LAD blotters, and that it was purchased from that particular batch. Until we have that confirmation I'm unsure what to make of this. It will be really disappointing if it turns out to be just a combination of AL-LAD & LSZ.
Is it possible that this blotter was purchased somewhere else, maybe even from a street dealer? As we're all eager to get information on PARGY-LAD, I don't understand why someone would send it in for testing without quoting that they believed it was PARGY-LAD. Just quoting that it was a 'Legal LSD Analogue' doesn't prove that this was one of the alleged PARGY-LAD blotters. If they just purchased it as a 'Legal LSD Analogue' and then it was found to contain both AL-LAD and LSZ, then to me it sounds like they got what they thought they were getting, as both AL-LAD and LSZ are legal LSD analogues. Nowhere in the report does it say that the purchase intent was PARGY-LAD, I think that's the key thing here.
Is it possible that this blotter was purchased somewhere else, maybe even from a street dealer? As we're all eager to get information on PARGY-LAD, I don't understand why someone would send it in for testing without quoting that they believed it was PARGY-LAD. Just quoting that it was a 'Legal LSD Analogue' doesn't prove that this was one of the alleged PARGY-LAD blotters. If they just purchased it as a 'Legal LSD Analogue' and then it was found to contain both AL-LAD and LSZ, then to me it sounds like they got what they thought they were getting, as both AL-LAD and LSZ are legal LSD analogues. Nowhere in the report does it say that the purchase intent was PARGY-LAD, I think that's the key thing here.
I have no idea why the wedinos report it so vague but I am absolutely certain that the vendor in question is the one that supplied the tabs tested. Pargy-Lad just ain't Pargy Lad. If it was Pargy-Lad, it was hidden in amongst Al-Lad & LSz & there wouldn't be an awful lot of point in that.
Very dissapointing, & I didn't even get any!
Very dissapointing, & I didn't even get any!
doppelgänger1
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There is no PRAGY-LAD, get used to the fact 8)
LSD Cruiser
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I'm pretty sure the guy who sent that sample is a member of this site. He is on another forum.
Contained
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That's a shame. Hopefully others who purchased it can send in for analysis to compare results. While I doubt the person who sent in their sample had an agenda in mind, it's hard to call one test definitive.
boselect
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It is hard to call one test definitive, but until somebody who has some submits it elsewhere for more thorough analysis it's all we've got to go on
The report is vague because that's how the form was filled in by the person submitting it.
Not sure why the image is broken though, that's a bit annoying.
I'm working on getting an image of the tabs in question posted elsewhere, if/when it's done, I'm sure we can link to it here. For the sake of transparency. Something we all need in RC's.
edit - Here we go. Thanks to chap on other forum for this!
edit - Here we go. Thanks to chap on other forum for this!
Cream Gravy?
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^I wonder what the greater blotter image those came from looks like :O
al-laddin
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Si Ingwe, Ive been watching a pargy lad thread on another forum and I dont know what to think anymore. Did Wedinos find two seperate molecules or do you think that some of their analysis was based on speculation.
I was reading on yet ANOTHER forum that someone in contact with Nichols was going to bio assay and have lab results. Im still waiting for this to manifest
You gotta think though, some young clever entrepreneurs on all corners of the earth have purchased LSZ and AL-LAD and laid it on blotter creating a "new experience" and profitting from it. If its been thought of, its been done. Plus those blotts dont look as "professional" as the LSZ/AL ones
I was reading on yet ANOTHER forum that someone in contact with Nichols was going to bio assay and have lab results. Im still waiting for this to manifest
You gotta think though, some young clever entrepreneurs on all corners of the earth have purchased LSZ and AL-LAD and laid it on blotter creating a "new experience" and profitting from it. If its been thought of, its been done. Plus those blotts dont look as "professional" as the LSZ/AL ones
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This whole story is all too fucked up. Who can be so stupid to offer some new lysergamide (or anything) without even testing it?! I wouldn't imagine that... Even if someday it is proven that he has PARGY-LAD, he's still an idiot, because he is selling it without even knowing it for sure!
In that infamous other forum, a guy said the vendor is telling costumers that they have to prove it if they think he doesn't really have it! What a douche...
In that infamous other forum, a guy said the vendor is telling costumers that they have to prove it if they think he doesn't really have it! What a douche...
boselect
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We're not infamous... are we
I cannot say without guessing. I'm guessing Wedinos has a control (an example, a proven result of an analysis of a sample) for pretty much any drug/RC/Legal High on the market/street, & they used the control to compare the results to those from the so-called Pargy-Lad tabs. The results they found from their analysis would have tallied with those from actual Al-Lad & LSz tabs that Wedinos had already positively ID'd & stored for just such an occassion as this.
IF Pargy-Lad had existed on those tabs, Wedinos may not have had a control to compare it to, because Pargy-Lad has not already circulated & been proven to exist on the market. I am guessing that this is how Wedinos works but if anyone knows for sure, please chime in.
I've never seen any data on analysis of pargy-lad so yeah what would wedinos be comparing too? I've never even seen an "official" AL-LAD or LSZ GC/MS from Dr. Nichols or the likes that would even prove that.
Sure *snip* has provided analytics to support the product sourced and we've had them tested and confirmed with the same results. This doesn't 100% prove AL-LAD or LSZ but does prove LSD analogues have been shown to exist on the street.
Heck for all we know, wedinos assumed the description of "lsd analogue" meant AL-LAD and/or LSZ since they are "around". So when they saw similar data points, when testing "PARGY", to what supposedly is AL-LAD and LSZ, they said it was a mixture. Without getting to see proper analytics for all these substances, since wedinos was used, I'm not quite sure how anyone can definitively say wedinos does or doesn't know what they are talking about.
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Xorkoth
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I edited a source name out of the above post... we don't discuss sources here.
Fair points. But I would hope that an official testing agency would know exactly what they're doing, & would probably be honest if they were unable to ID any particular compound.
One of the single most damning aspects is this vendors complete silence on the matter from the start. I know for a fact that if the original vendor of Al-Lad & LSz had his tabs dismissed as "fake" on wedinos, he'd have been out countering their claims for the off. The vendor who supplied the so-called Pargy-Lad failed to supply any material to the original Al-Lad supplier despite an offer from him to aid in IDing the material. The vendor who supplied the Pargy-Lad failed to offer any sort of chemical data to back his claim. & finally, the material ran out ever so quick with not a word on any possible re-stock.
Smells like scam to me, but fair enough. I accept there's little evidence for this other than Wedinos results.
One of the single most damning aspects is this vendors complete silence on the matter from the start. I know for a fact that if the original vendor of Al-Lad & LSz had his tabs dismissed as "fake" on wedinos, he'd have been out countering their claims for the off. The vendor who supplied the so-called Pargy-Lad failed to supply any material to the original Al-Lad supplier despite an offer from him to aid in IDing the material. The vendor who supplied the Pargy-Lad failed to offer any sort of chemical data to back his claim. & finally, the material ran out ever so quick with not a word on any possible re-stock.
Smells like scam to me, but fair enough. I accept there's little evidence for this other than Wedinos results.
MundaneDivinity
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This reminds me of the most recent HOT-7 batches.
It kills me when people so vehemently insist that something still might be what it is advertised as when there are actual test results indicating that it is something else.
I mean I get being skeptical for the sake of science and surety, but is it really such a stretch that an obscure new drug appearing on the market might actually just be a rebranded form of a less obscure drug?
It kills me when people so vehemently insist that something still might be what it is advertised as when there are actual test results indicating that it is something else.
I mean I get being skeptical for the sake of science and surety, but is it really such a stretch that an obscure new drug appearing on the market might actually just be a rebranded form of a less obscure drug?
This is exactly what happend with Al-Lad last year though. I was amongst the first to exclaim that I had taken Al-Lad, I am author of one of the first reports to appear on Erowid. But I had to argue my corner pretty hard both on here & elsewhere on da nets, because there was alot of skeptisism that a little UK RC vendor had found some way to produce Al without infringing British LSD law. Which is why, to my shame, further up in this thread you'll find me dissing the nay sayers lol