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The Big & Dandy AL-LAD Thread - Part 2

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Ismene said:
That's unusual - for me and a few other people the music appreciation was disappointing compared to acid or mushrooms. What are you comparing it to? Nbomes?
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I think more importantly, have you done LSD before? No other drug has come close to the musical awesomeness that LSD is for me, but I also haven't tried AL-LAD. Right now it's too expensive...
 
Ya know, I used to be in the school of thought that "oh if its like LSD it must be safe" but the more I delve in to the RC world theres MANY tryptamines that can even kill or hospitalize you with major side effects. AMT and 5-meo-amt , just off the top of my head. So now Im not so sure that the analogues are as safe as Lucy, although many people have dosed 10 + 150 ug tabs and were fine, despite the insanely intense trip.
 
Which other ones? I'm not aware of any other tryptamines (that have been available) that can kill you. Well, 5-MeO-DiPT I think has caused deaths. Hospitalizations from freaking out and calling 911 don't count. Now, phens, there are quite a few dangerous ones, most notably by far 25i-NBOMe and the other NBOXs.
 
Nbomes are not even comparable. Music sounded ecstatic and very loud and clear with very high quality to it. Every single note made me crying like a baby and breath very deep and fast. And that was not about emotional aspect or deep meaning of the songs. That was about of beauty of the SOUND. Never tried LSD, cant compare it. But music appreciation was better than all trypts and phens i've tried.

Now im coming down from 47 mg of 4-aco-dmt. But thats another story for another time.
 
240sxLover said:
I think more importantly, have you done LSD before? No other drug has come close to the musical awesomeness that LSD is for me, but I also haven't tried AL-LAD. Right now it's too expensive...
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You replied to the wrong person 240.

JustRun said:
Never tried LSD, cant compare it. But music appreciation was better than all trypts and phens i've tried.
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LSD is a lot better music wise - that's one of the disappointing things about al-lad for me.
 
Xorkoth, Theres some but yeah Im totally aware of phens being more notorious. But here are some links. I spend a lot of time reading trip reports when im bored...even stumbled across some of yours ;) but yeah theres several obcure tryptamines that have caused many problems. comas brain damage and death even. Im sufre Ive seen more

5 meo dalt https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/5meo_dalt/5meo_dalt_death.shtml
AMT http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/amt/amt_death.shtml
5 meo AMT http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_media2.shtml and http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/5meo_amt/5meo_amt_info1.shtml

Also when reading the experience reports section scroll down to the "health problems" sections and you may find other hospitalizations that are anecdotal. I also see a lot of people reporting kidney issues with a lot of the tryptamines. My point is its not all bubble gum and lolly pops .
 
Ismene said:
LSD is a lot better music wise - that's one of the disappointing things about al-lad for me.
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i've done both and music on al-lad is fucking amazing. its the best thing about it. BUT i find that even though the visuals from 1 tab of lsd and al lad are the same roughly, lsd makes you feel more amazing on 1 tab because its such a spiritual headfuck
 
Whats your opinion on the headspace of AL^^^ I feel theres some headfuck and even some mystical quality to it ....but a different character

by the way has anyone found that AL-LAD causes any excessive lingering visual effects ? I have found LSD is the worst for this but I havnt noticed much with AL, although I havnt done any huge doses yet
 
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I got some of this and it looks the same as what I've gotten before but there's no reaction with ehrlich's. Is that consistent with bad storage/degradation? Could it degrade to the point that it wouldn't react at all?
 
if you tested it with ehrlich's and got no reaction, it's probably not AL-LAD. test it again to make sure you didn't make a mistake.
 
al-laddin said:
Whats your opinion on the headspace of AL^^^ I feel theres some headfuck and even some mystical quality to it ....but a different character

by the way has anyone found that AL-LAD causes any excessive lingering visual effects ? I have found LSD is the worst for this but I havnt noticed much with AL, although I havnt done any huge doses yet
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hmmm not hugely deep BUT it thankfully lacks the insanity of lsd
 
The vendor has been really cool about it, but they don't know what happened. I'm gonna test the whole sheet to see if maybe it's unevenly laid? Or maybe it degraded but some is still active? I'm really curious about what happened.
 
al-laddin said:
Xorkoth, Theres some but yeah Im totally aware of phens being more notorious. But here are some links. I spend a lot of time reading trip reports when im bored...even stumbled across some of yours ;) but yeah theres several obcure tryptamines that have caused many problems. comas brain damage and death even. Im sufre Ive seen more

5 meo dalt https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/5meo_dalt/5meo_dalt_death.shtml
AMT http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/amt/amt_death.shtml
5 meo AMT http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_media2.shtml and http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/5meo_amt/5meo_amt_info1.shtml

Also when reading the experience reports section scroll down to the "health problems" sections and you may find other hospitalizations that are anecdotal. I also see a lot of people reporting kidney issues with a lot of the tryptamines. My point is its not all bubble gum and lolly pops .
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As far as I can see (been scanning through erowid), there are VERY few deaths attributed DIRECTLY to tryptamines, and every single one that I can find is describing a huge dose compared to a normal dose or a combination of drugs as was the case with AMT/MDMA.

The dalt death you posted here is some dude who took 350 mg and then grinned as he walked into a street before being hit by a car. Yeah theres about a 1000 LSD deaths then, 999 more than 5-meodalt, which would make 5meodalt wayyyy safer.

I found one 5meoDIPT death as well, but again were talking dosages 10x that of what is normal.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/5meo_dipt/5meo_dipt_media1.shtml

Besides what we have listed here, I can't find ANY other tryptamine deaths. I'm not saying that these chemicals aren't dangerous, they are, and we all know that. We know theyre not candy and lollypops. If you ever thought that before, you shouldn't be taking them. I just get irritated when I see someone spout "MANY tryptamines that can even kill or hospitalize" and then fail to come up with more than 2 examples (AMT/5-MeO-AMT) out of 100's of different known tryptamines.

I really appreciate your eagerness to contribute to discussions but i'm not cool with people blanketing entire classes of drug families with over generalized statements and then failing to provide more than a smidge of evidence that agrees with you.

As far as the relative safety of AL-LAD or newer novel lysergamides, we just don't really know yet. Everyone has been assuming that they share the safety profile of LSD, based on similar structures + the actual feelings of the experience (feels clean, safe) + no one has died. That said, LSD and analogues are related to extremely toxic ergot compounds, so I'm not going to be surprised if we eventually find something toxic. I've never posted about it, but I know several people with +1500mcg AL-LAD trips, all of them enjoyed their experiences but most experienced side effects (constriction, neck/shoulder/muscle tightness, kidney pain even but that kid has pre-existing issues so its hard to say) to some extent at these doses and none of these people want to take massive doses anymore.
 
Doldrugs said:
The vendor has been really cool about it, but they don't know what happened. I'm gonna test the whole sheet to see if maybe it's unevenly laid? Or maybe it degraded but some is still active? I'm really curious about what happened.
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Did you actually try any of it to see if you get high as usual? Maybe there's something wrong with the test and you're just wasting the blotters testing them. I guess it's possible somebody made some fake AL-LAD blotters from 25i but where would they get blotters that look exactly like the real ones? You could try shining a blacklight on them to see if they fluoresce, if you can find a small blacklight.
 
jason7 said:
Did you actually try any of it to see if you get high as usual? Maybe there's something wrong with the test and you're just wasting the blotters testing them. I guess it's possible somebody made some fake AL-LAD blotters from 25i but where would they get blotters that look exactly like the real ones? You could try shining a blacklight on them to see if they fluoresce, if you can find a small blacklight.
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I've successfully used this reagent on both al-lad and LSD, so I know it's good. I don't want to try the blotters in case they have something dangerous on them, but I will admit it's pretty far fetched. Based on the vendor's communications I don't think he had anything to do with it if they are bunk or nbomes or something. It seems likely they just degraded or something.
 
This is a very odd case. I can't see it degrading so much that testing wouldn't indicate the presence of any. The only thing I can think of is that maybe a sheet of undosed blotters somehow got mixed in with the dosed ones. I think you should bite the bullet and try at least half a blotter. My guess is that it's either AL-LAD or nothing at all.
 
Doldrugs said:
I've successfully used this reagent on both al-lad and LSD, so I know it's good. I don't want to try the blotters in case they have something dangerous on them, but I will admit it's pretty far fetched. Based on the vendor's communications I don't think he had anything to do with it if they are bunk or nbomes or something. It seems likely they just degraded or something.
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Hmm theres only three vendors that I know of that carry AL- was it one of them Im assuming you know which ones Im talking about, ...was it the typical 150ug blotters with the molecule??
 
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