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The Big & Dandy AL-LAD Thread - Part 2

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BlueDay96 said:
We know theyre not candy and lollypops.
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I think tryptamines are all candy and lollipops. Particularly mushrooms. If you have sufficient intelligence to prevent yourself from taking them and then walking out into heavy traffic they are completely fine.

That said, LSD and analogues are related to extremely toxic ergot compounds, so I'm not going to be surprised if we eventually find something toxic.

It doesn't really work like that tho blue - oxygen is related to water but you'll have trouble breathing water.

but I know several people with +1500mcg AL-LAD trips

Did you mean 150 there? If they're taking 1500 mics of AL-lad then they're probably too stupid to live very long anyway.
 
^^^ Ive only seen anecdotal reports of doses that high...tehres one on erowid and an "overdose" report that was somewhere around 2 grams of AL...who knows if they are truthful

Ismene I know that tryptamines are safe, but that doesn't mean some people aren't susceptible to adverse reactions. I mean Ive read about people having kidney issues and siezures ....even at normal doses. So candy and lollipops or not....theyres still psychoactive chemical lollipops.
 
al-laddin said:
Hmm theres only three vendors that I know of that carry AL- was it one of them Im assuming you know which ones Im talking about, ...was it the typical 150ug blotters with the molecule??
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Yeah it was the same blotters I've seen from other vendors with the molecule on it. I think all the al-lad in the UK area is made by the same guy.
 
phuckingnutz said:
ummmm, I hate to state the obvious, but you could even use a large blacklight...size doesn't matter....=D
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No it has to be small one. Just kidding. I simply thought it would be more cost effective to get the smallest one available considering the size of what you would be shining it on. I wouldn't think a 4 foot fluorescent would be appropriate. Maybe one of the small fluorescents used for reptile aquariums. There's actually CFL blacklights now too.
 
al-laddin said:
^^^ Ive only seen anecdotal reports of doses that high...tehres one on erowid and an "overdose" report that was somewhere around 2 grams of AL...who knows if they are truthful

Ismene I know that tryptamines are safe, but that doesn't mean some people aren't susceptible to adverse reactions. I mean Ive read about people having kidney issues and siezures ....even at normal doses. So candy and lollipops or not....theyres still psychoactive chemical lollipops.
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2 Grams of AL-LAD? Seems unlikely considering the cost. I think you may have misread something.
 
Ismene said:
That said, LSD and analogues are related to extremely toxic ergot compounds, so I'm not going to be surprised if we eventually find something toxic.

It doesn't really work like that tho blue - oxygen is related to water but you'll have trouble breathing water.

but I know several people with +1500mcg AL-LAD trips

Did you mean 150 there? If they're taking 1500 mics of AL-lad then they're probably too stupid to live very long anyway.
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I don't like your explanation of "Oxygen is related to water" because were talking about analogues of psychoactive chemicals, not air and water. Why is it impossible that there "might" be toxic lysergamides? There are ergot based medications that can have adverse side effects, but I can't think of the brand that is. In all honesty, LSD-25 is a miracle substance. What other substance can you take 100x the normal dose and be physically fine. Try 100 shots of alcohol, or 100 lines of cocaine, 100 adderalls, or 2000mg of 2c-e. I think simple substitutions could very easily change the way the molecule is metabolized. I would be very scared to take 10mg of LSZ, but I would not be very scared to take 10mg of LSD, at least from a physical health perspective.
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No I meant 1500 micrograms, 10 tabs of 150mcg. I tried to tell my friends everything I know and then I also say "Hey, this is like LSD but its not LSD, so we should play it safe and not get too crazy" However my friends are older deadheads who have tasted crystal LSD and will literally eat a sheet (10mg) of LSD in a night for a deadshow. I know my friends and I wouldn't call them stupid, I would call them crazy. They believe in the power of LSD to change the world, and they are no stranger to leaps of faith.
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I guess I will take this time to relay the high dosage info from my homies. I'd been meaning to in someway or another for many months.

Friend#1 is very very experienced with LSD but never AL-LAD. He sees me and my other friend tripping our faces off rolling around laughing so he decides to just GO for it. Friend eats 10 tabs of AL-LAD. His report of it is glowing, however he said with AL he could not "break through" like he can with LSD. He said it was somewhat visual, and it felt like he was going to break through into crazy fractal land but it petered out. He actually turned to me during the trip and said this almost feels like ecstasy, he felt so good but also he was getting some jaw clench. Even on this dose he says he was back to baseline within 8 hours. He said he loved the trip and would do it again, but he thinks LSD is still the holy grail.

Friend#2 is very very experienced with LSD. We are on a roadtrip to a show in two different cars with several other friends. Since he had heard about friend#1's trip he asked if he could try but a normal size. So he gets 2 tabs, he gets in the other car and we carry on to our destination. We get to the destination 1-2 hours later and I see my friend stumble out of the car with a huge smile on his face. He immediately says how awesome it is and that he wants to push it higher. I told him theres VERY few reports of anyone even taking more than 450, but he doesn't care. I think he takes 8 more tabs around this point. We go to the show and everything is good. At some point I can see my friend and I can tell he is super rocked and wild eyed. I'd never seen him like that and I've seen him on lots of psychedelics before. He tells me he feels a sharp pain in his kidneys. I felt partially responsible so I try and get him to chill out with me over by a tree. Some chick sees that he's freaking out and she comes and rubs his back for him. Us 3 have some pretty crazy conversations. He actually gets freaked out by something the chick says and totally locks up, and will not look at her or me. Eventually near the end of the show my friend gets up he tells me hes feeling better. We go back to our hotel and we talk about his trip. He apparently didn't remember the chick, I had to remind him. I was pretty beat so I went to sleep, but he apparently stayed up all night long. The next time I see him he tells me he really really wants to try it again... As far as the pain he was feeling, he attributed that to his long term drug addiction (heroin, ketamine, Oxy), but none of us really know what happened that night.

Friend#3 is the only non deadhead out of these 3. Hes very experienced with LSD but also pretty much every psychedelic rc (2cx, Dox, 25x, 5Meo-Trypts). This friend was around for 60's orange sunshine. I'm pretty sure this friend at least worked his way up. He is a natural hardhead and it takes him about 3x as much as me to get off. So I'm pretty sure he started off with 300mcg, to 600mcg and then went for the full 1500mcg. I wasn't there so I can only relay what he told me. He said he enjoyed his 1500mcg trip but he would never go above 600mcg again. He told me his shoulder started hurting which spread to his neck causing serious headache and he had a really uncomfortable 3 hour period of that trip.

I've honestly seen a lot of different people use AL-LAD and I've only seen one person say they won't take it again. They experienced intense anxiety, became agitated and had to run out of a concert. Basically a freakout but I think it had to do with set/setting more than anything else.
 
I think ETH-LAD is the real Holy Grail. It's just that nobody but Shulgin has ever made it so there are no reports around except his. From his reports in TIHKAL it appears to be a lot smoother than LSD. I could be wrong about it being better, but it would be nice to find out. An LSD trip does have a lot of roughness to it in my experience.
 
What do you mean fg? Did you redose and then found it tore you a new arsehole?
 
Sorry but LOL @ tryptamines being candy and lolipops. High doses of mushrooms, DPT, or an L freak out are pretty far from what I would consider a 'candy' psychedelic.
 
iamthesuck said:
Sorry but LOL @ tryptamines being candy and lolipops. High doses of mushrooms, DPT, or an L freak out are pretty far from what I would consider a 'candy' psychedelic.
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The idea that any psychedelic substance is candy is quite alarming to me. I think any extended amount of experience in psychedelic culture speaks quite strongly against that. I'm kind of speechless at the notion, actually, particularly that someone would post it to a HR forum.
 
I don't think that high doses of anything are consistent with harm reduction
honesty is best
low doses can be like candy as well as insightful,
the troubles comes from high dosing, or too frequent dosing,
irresponsible mixing, and lack of consideration for set and setting.
 
pupnik said:
The trouble comes from... lack of consideration for set and setting.
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This is the reason I avoid taking psychedelics in bad neighborhoods. You might be itching for my definition of bad neighborhood. The four mile ring of urban poverty surrounding major metropolitan down towns. Look for broken glass, grass consuming the curb, and litter everywhere as if something exploded. If people don't maintain their property you should avoid mixing those people and places with psychedelics for sure.

I made the mistake of living in one of these places and using psychedelics. The people were good people some days, but in general they were not. The issues drowning these people were exacerbated with some psychedelics, specifically selective 5ht2a agonist. The most harmful attribute was gossip. One day you were number one and the next day you were public enemy number one. Many of these people couldn't be trusted.

Setting is important. Using psychedelics near nice usually stable people is wise. The inner city is often the least valuable area of town for some reason. Our society forces the poor, immigrants, minorities, and disabled into these areas where their problems fester. Over time the social poison in these communities lodges deep in these peoples bones. These people could benefit from the cleansing less selective psychedelics provide after they are onto a different life in a better environment.

I will avoid using psychedelics or talking about them in the urban ring of death around metropolitan areas after my past experience. Living in the suburbs is more conducive to psychedelic use.
 
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I think AL-LAD and 4-AcO-DMT or mushrooms or 4-HO-DMT would make a greeeeeeeeat combination..

The colors are weird with AL-LAD, pastel colors like pink / light green/ light blue really stand out. I smoked some psilocin freebase on the tail end of an AL-LAD trip and all the colors got super magnified.. going to have to mix them at proper doses soon.
 
transitionsynth said:
The idea that any psychedelic substance is candy is quite alarming to me. I think any extended amount of experience in psychedelic culture speaks quite strongly against that. I'm kind of speechless at the notion, actually, particularly that someone would post it to a HR forum.
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In comparison to what tho? The air you breathe is vastly more likely to kill you than taking mushrooms once a month. You have to put these things in perspective. Mushrooms are candies and lollipops compared to breathing air, drinking alcohol, crossing the road (compare how many people have died crossing the road to taking mushrooms) and eating satsumas (9 people die a year from eating satsumas)
 
I started low with AL-LAD - half a 150 µg blotter before a bicycle adventure. It took a full two hours to feel the first clear effects - jaw tension, stimulation and a whole lot of spontaneous laughter. These effects, and general euphoria, increased gradually for the next couple of hours, then began to tail off. Cycling was sublime on 'bicycle day'.

There were no visual effects until we smoked a huge bong back home, and the experience took another course. The world took on a beautiful 'wicky' smooth texture and knots in the wood of a palette on which we were sat blossomed into a scene of a young bird followed by its mother towards apparent doom in the form of a black and red splodge of paint. Majestically, the pair were rescued by a path that circumvented the 'hole', and all was (very) well. Music was beautiful (I haven't tried LSD), and nurtured the minimal closed eye visuals into something very enjoyable. The marijuana introduced a certain degree of anxiety, although this was clearly identifiable as potentiated effects of cannabis, which although I'm very familiar with, have a tendency to surprise me. The next few days were graced by an aura of serenity and focus.

All in all, it was a great introduction to the classic psychedelics, which I'm convinced I'm going to fall in love with.
 
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