The Big & Dandy AL-LAD Thread - Part 2

[phuckingnutz]

This is the reason I avoid taking psychedelics in bad neighborhoods. You might be itching for my definition of bad neighborhood. The four mile ring of urban poverty surrounding major metropolitan down towns. Look for broken glass, grass consuming the curb, and litter everywhere as if something exploded. If people don't maintain their property you should avoid mixing those people and places with psychedelics for sure.

I made the mistake of living in one of these places and using psychedelics. The people were good people some days, but in general they were not. The issues drowning these people were exacerbated with some psychedelics, specifically selective 5ht2a agonist. The most harmful attribute was gossip. One day you were number one and the next day you were public enemy number one. Many of these people couldn't be trusted.

Setting is important. Using psychedelics near nice usually stable people is wise. The inner city is often the least valuable area of town for some reason. Our society forces the poor, immigrants, minorities, and disabled into these areas where their problems fester. Eventually the social poison in these communities lodges deep in these peoples bones. These people could benefit from the cleansing less selective psychedelics provide after they are onto a different life in a better environment.

I will avoid using psychedelics or talking about them in the urban ring of death around metropolitan areas after my past experience. Living in the suburbs is more conducive to psychedelic use.

That's fucked up^...so po' poeoples shouldn't be trippin" huh?...

 

[Solipsis]

I don't think its exactly discrimination to say that it is not really a good idea for people to trip who are situated in what can be called a negative setting. Of course portraying specific neighborhoods in their entirety as negative is really generalizing and also judgemental, but surely there are places on earth where I would not really feel comfortable sober let alone tripping. Another person may think differently of that same place. It's no use trying to make very general statements about that sort of thing, but there is no point to overreacting about the topic either.

About considering some trips candy or eye-candy I can say that while there is nothing wrong with enjoying something completely recreationally in itself, "abusing" psychedelics which can produce many effects besides ones typically considered recreational can lead to situations one is not prepared for. The positive and recreational potential of say taking a very high dose of a psychedelic in say a theme park is very big, but it is pro-HR to consider the complete potential before attempting something that can go very wrong. The aforementioned was just an example of course.

 

[foolsgold]

I don't think that high doses of anything are consistent with harm reduction
honesty is best
low doses can be like candy as well as insightful,
the troubles comes from high dosing, or too frequent dosing,
irresponsible mixing, and lack of consideration for set and setting.

i am an old hand at tripping and i forgot every single one of them rules bar having benzo's handy to kill it in tracks

 

[Xorkoth]

In comparison to what tho? The air you breathe is vastly more likely to kill you than taking mushrooms once a month. You have to put these things in perspective. Mushrooms are candies and lollipops compared to breathing air, drinking alcohol, crossing the road (compare how many people have died crossing the road to taking mushrooms) and eating satsumas (9 people die a year from eating satsumas)

Well okay, maybe if you're using "candy and lollipops" to describe physical safety, then (most) tryptamines are candy and lollipops (probably safer than candy and lollipops honestly because they won't lead to obesity, heart disease and diabetes). But I would hardly call tryptamines candy and lollipops, myself. The mental effects from tryptamines can be insanely overwhelming. Mushrooms themselves are one of the most difficult psychedelics (sometimes) to handle, in my experience. I have had many extremely serious and difficult trips on mushrooms, and also many light and bubbly and fun ones. I'd call something like 2C-B more like candy and lollipops, though really I'd never use that phrase to describe any psychedelic as it seems to suggest "nothing to worry about, come here kiddies, eat me!"

But yeah, most phenethylamines I find much easier on the mind than most tryptamines. There are of course exceptions in both directions.

 

[jason7]

IV a bunch of DPT and see how candy and lollipops it is. There's a good trip report of that on Erowid. In fact, there's a bunch of DPT trips gone wrong on there.

 

[pupnik]

Well back on track to AL-LAD as it is sold @ 150 mics.
I approve and felt challenged and honored by it.
I may play with less than a tab if I have to go out in public, but to dance around in my bones, 150 is the sweetspot.

 

[Doldrugs]

Well back on track to AL-LAD as it is sold @ 150 mics.
I approve and felt challenged and honored by it.
I may play with less than a tab if I have to go out in public, but to dance around in my bones, 150 is the sweetspot.

Man, I wish 150 did that much for me. Challenged is the opposite of how I felt. I could have passed a test or given a public speech.

 

[theacidtest]

150ug was a pretty decent dose for me. I certainly will be pushing it further, but wouldn't be at all disappointed to experiment at a dosage of 150ug.

 

[Yeetbeat]

Personally I have no interest in single-tab experiments lol....if my AL ever turns up

 

[theacidtest]

Personally I have no interest in single-tab experiments lol....if my AL ever turns up

I generally enjoy higher than average doses of psychedelics, however I feel that it's unwise to not at least get a feel for an average dose before increasing the intensity.

 

[Yeetbeat]

I generally enjoy higher than average doses of psychedelics, however I feel that it's unwise to not at least get a feel for an average dose before increasing the intensity.

I agree, however whether or not I follow this is a different story haha.

I know I'll have the set and setting right along with having a sitter if it's more than expected. Worst case is it'll be a bit intense, but I don't see anything bad happening.

 

[theacidtest]

I agree, however whether or not I follow this is a different story haha.

I know I'll have the set and setting right along with having a sitter if it's more than expected. Worst case is it'll be a bit intense, but I don't see anything bad happening.

It sounds like you have your bases pretty well covered. The only reason I never dive in headfirst is the possibility of physical side effects. I find vomiting on psychedelics to be rather unpleasant, so I always like to get a feel for the physical aspect first.

 

[Yeetbeat]

I can attest to that. One concern I have with AL-LAD is whether or not it's going to give me the same digestive upset as LSD does. LSD has similar effect on my digestive system to a large amount of caffeine (say 500mg+ in one hit) - semi-runs kinda stuff. But I don't get nausea from body load, thankfully. I actually LOVE body load. I do occasionally feel the nausea when on mushrooms, but it vanishes in seconds.

Worst case I'll still be within walking distance of home, so can bail there if need be



OH, slightly off topic - my delivery of 10x 150ug AL-LAD blotters arrived today. This weekend it is!

 

[pupnik]

enjoy,
my error is eating then taking it
or more precisely, making a date to eat, then adding psychedelics to THAT schedule, ha!

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah I almost always avoid having food in my stomach when I take psychedelics. With some it doesn't seem to matter (DOC, MXE), but for most it makes a huge difference in length of onset, total strength, and even subjective effects.

 

[black53]

No stomach problems here (with none of the lysergamides). Just had 5 a few days ago. Also it goes great with 2c-c.
Next time it's AL-LAD + 5-MAPB (or 4-ho-met or mxe). Too bad supply is running low again. this really is one of the best.

 

[perpetualdawn]

5, as in 750ug black53? Holy crap.
Good to know it combos well with 2c-c. I wonder how it goes with 2c-e.
I'm jealous you get to try it with 5-MAPB, I'd love to try that flip.
Agreed that it's sad the supply is running low, this one is such a gem. I hope this isn't just a blink in time where AL-LAD existed on this planet. But if it is, I feel so lucky we were here for it!

 

[ZraZorZ]

For my first try with this compound I'd like to slowly work my way up dosage wise, testing for allergy with a miniscule amount and taking something like 15 mics next, upping to 75 and eventually 150 mics on another day. Snipping the blotters in half or worse, quartering them, doesn't sound like a good idea to me because I can't be certain that the drop is in the middle of the blotter - taking a quarter could be a full dose or none at all.
Thats why i came up with the idea to put the blotter into solution and a few questions popped into my mind: Would water be sufficient or what constitutes as a good solvent? Is there a consensus regarding the bioavailability differences between sublingual or oral dosing? Could plugging be an option or would that make the comeup too sharp/intense?

 

[theacidtest]

I can't believe that the supply is running low already. Even with its popularity I thought it would stick around a bit longer. Hopefully another batch comes out...

 

[perpetualdawn]

I bet a lot of people hoarded it on this last batch. With the ban on the horizon, and now that we've established that it's good stuff, I can imagine a lot of people stocked up for the next century. Let's hope it can be stored without degradation so that these stashes still work in a couple of decades.