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Girl sucks 24 cocks for a free drink in Magaluf

dee_dee said:
Im amazed most people dont see it for what it really is. She was blatantly doing it for a laugh, not for the sex or the prize, that was obvious to see.

Its odd how people can understand the guys doing it for a laugh, but not the girl.

She shouldnt cry wolf though, let it be a lesson to her. If you do silly things in public places you run the risk of being filmed in these days of mobiles etc. She wont do that again in a hurry.
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Well put man. But to be fair, I don't think the girl has cried anything other than "I was on holiday, I was drunk, I sucked a lot of dicks. And what?" I might be wrong, it's not like I read the kind of papers that would have this rockets story in them but as far as I'm aware she's being pretty casual about it. I'm sure that, even if she's not being casual, she's not freaking out all hysterical like BecomingJulie.



Edit - Julie, some people like to do fucked up stuff for sexual kicks. If some girl's bag is sookin off everyone in a bar then fair play to her. Who are you, or I, to shout that it's "bad".
 
I don't see the NHS poster as victim blaming at all, I see it as conveying the message that if you are very drunk you are going to be more of a target for would be rapists.

The first step in crime prevention is making yourself less of a target, if you are absolutely shitfaced some creepy weirdo is going to probably see you as an easy target and take advantage of the situation. If he rapes who's fault is it? The rapists each and every time. Could you have possibly done more to prevent it by being less drunk? Who knows but it is a possibility.

If you go to most mainline train stations in the country you will see signs saying 'pickpockets operate in this area' being in a mainline train station is not a crime either, is this victim blaming? No. If you walk through a mainline train station with your wallet in your back pocket and get pickpocketed Who's fault is it? The pickpockets every time. Could you have done more to prevent it? Yes don't walk around with a wallet in your back pocket when there are thieving cunts about.

If you walk through a dodgy area at night showing off a rolex and openly walking about with a big stack of cash and someone mugs you, who's fault is it? The muggers fault every time. Could you have done more to prevent it? Yes conceal your goods, you will be less of a target.

Women (or anyone for that matter) should be able to go out and get absolutely steaming and roll around on the floor if they wish, but unfortunately it does open you up to being a victim of all sorts of crimes; rape, mugging, shoulder surfing at cash machines, pick pockets. I don't see anything wrong with bringing this to peoples attention.
 
I think the posters are a good idea. I dont really like them in relation to this particular case.

The game was monitored and in a very public arena, I highly doubt anyone would be allowed to rape anyone, that would be more likely to happen with an unsupervised game in someones hotel room.

Again this point about how they had tricked her into believing this drink was a holiday. That is somehow implying that the girl would somehow lower herself to do that for a prize. The whole thing was just holiday banter, nothing less, nothing more.

Ive watched it and there is nothing remotley sexual about it whatsoever, she doesnt appear to be some kind of raving nympho craving for cock.

When people can get there head around that as much as they can get there head around understanding the guys can do it for a laugh too, that is when you will have real equality and not b4.
 
Yes Ponch, thats exactly how i see it its just as per usual Feminists warp everything. That poster is nothing but a bit of Logic like you could say "Dont go out, dont leave your house this will make you less likely to be raped" yeh ofcourse its fkn logic
 
I don't see how basically saying "Watch yourself when you're drunk" or "Try not to get fucking legless when you're on your own" is victim blaming. No-one is saying it's the victims fault, they are just saying try and have a bit of sense and minimize the risk where possible.

What to do girls is wear your tiniest pieces of clothing, get fucking paralytic and pass out on a park bench at 3am. That would be a stupid risk to take, would it? Fuck off, you're just victim blaming.

If someone told me not to go walking through the park on my own at 3am because I might get robbed, are they victim blaming?

I think you need to be deliberately looking for offence if you read "One in three rapes happens when the victim is drunk" as "IT'S YOUR FAULT FOR BEING DRUNK!" rather than "Be careful when you're out drinking, as that's when a third of rapes happen"
 
I don't disagree on the underlying point about using a bit of common sense wouldn't go amiss in many situations as Ponch pointed out. That first poster doesn't convey that at all though. The message isn't the problem, the delivery of it is in my opinion.
 
Or perhaps another way of looking at things... how many rapists are drunk when they're out raping? I have no idea but from reading the court reports in local papers it's frequently cited as an attempt at a mitigating factor so why aren't there posters saying "1 in 3 rapes occur when a man gets so drunk he loses all sense of perspective and inhibition"? Same message essentially - excessive alcohol often causes people to engage in risky and/or abhorrent (even to their sober selves) behaviour.
 
I think the point is that, as a woman, you're a potential victim of raoe no-matter how you behave or dress, and it's only in a tiny minority of situations that they come in to play. Mass media campaigns about sticking with your mates, not getting in unlicensed cabs etc. obscure the reality of what rape generally is. They come across as victim blaming.

It's like having a mass media campaign saying don't have a few too many, or you might get glassed. Probably sound advice, but the emphasis is all wrong.
 
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Shambles said:
Or perhaps another way of looking at things... how many rapists are drunk when they're out raping? I have no idea but from reading the court reports in local papers it's frequently cited as an attempt at a mitigating factor so why aren't there posters saying "1 in 3 rapes occur when a man gets so drunk he loses all sense of perspective and inhibition"? Same message essentially - excessive alcohol often causes people to engage in risky and/or abhorrent (even to their sober selves) behaviour.
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Do you believe that any generally non rapey person would rape someone because of the influence of alcohol? Oooft, I had a few too many last night, ended up raping some wee girl on the way home. Doubt it.

If those campaigns were advising people not to get too drunk because they're more likely to be mugged would anyone be shouting victim blaming? In fact, have you ever heard the term victim blaming when it doesn't relate to a woman being raped or being a victim of domestic abuse?
 
I really wouldn't know but it is used in court as some kind of apparently mitigating factor frequently enough (just read local court reports) that apparently yes, that is exactly what happens. Although I suspect most people's idea of rape is at the more extreme and obvious end of the spectrum. These type of incidents are most often (again, court report info - not scientific by any means) are of men getting very drunk and not taking no for an answer rather than grabbing random women and raping 'em down back alleys. Very much the type of incident the above posters are aimed at too which is why I brought it up.
 
Methinks the former of those two categories, men getting sloshed and not taking no for an answer might happen to an otherwise normal human being, but the seriously bent rapey stabby strangler in a dark alley type, I think that would have to be inherent, even if otherwise suppressed, in the personality of the rapist.

The campaigns basic message seems to be 'don't stupidly lower your defences if you have no backup' seems sensible to me.
 
I met some really fit guy on friday night/early hours of sat morning and he took me to a hotel in the city. He was very hot but started being a bit weird and was into role play and some strange stuff. He was actually quite fun for the best part but i can see how situations can get out of hand regardless of what sex you are.

There was a few moments when i thought to myself who is this random ive allowed myself to be picked up by in a bar, he could be basically any nutcase...
 
I'm less tolerable with age than I was when I was younger. When you are younger you often end up in situations and tolerate it and stay on when it would have been better to just go home etc. It's one of the good things about getting older.

Ps not directed at you Dee dee it just got me thinking about past awkard situations/parties I tolerated rather than just going home
 
Limpet_Chicken said:
Methinks the former of those two categories, men getting sloshed and not taking no for an answer might happen to an otherwise normal human being...
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I'm not having that. What that says to me is that they would always want to do it but don't have the bottle when they're sober. I don't believe that booze makes you do stuff you wouldn't normally want to do.
 
Limpet_Chicken said:
Methinks the former of those two categories, men getting sloshed and not taking no for an answer might happen to an otherwise normal human being, but the seriously bent rapey stabby strangler in a dark alley type, I think that would have to be inherent, even if otherwise suppressed, in the personality of the rapist.

The campaigns basic message seems to be 'don't stupidly lower your defences if you have no backup' seems sensible to me.
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I'd agree with that first bit and it seems obvious to me that is the type of situation they are talking about. Drunk or sober if some gorilla with a knife grabs you from behind you're probably not gonna have a great chance of doing much about it whoever you are and however sober you are. That's what I was meaning about the difference between the media image of rape - yer stabby psycho type - and the majority of rapes which are carried out by 'normal men' going too far for whatever reason/excuse. Most likely to involve being drunk I'd suggest.
 
It was my birthday night out Jo, it took me by suprise and i was very flattered this extreme and i really do mean extreme fitty wanted me to go with him, he paid £141 for a room in a hotel after finding one on his phone with rooms available for what was only left not many hours of the night (if that isnt psycho enough i dont no what is, alarm bells should of been ringing by that stage already i guess).

Anyway we parted company at 8am as he had to return to feed his dog (or get home to the boyfriend/girlfriend no doubt!) at my age were not stupid, we no the score but yes i wont lie when we was back at the hotel and gradually he started to reveal more about himself and what he was into and what he wanted i wont lie i was kinda thinking what am i doing this could be any psycho.

Alls well that ends well anyway, but there u go even at 43 (or i was still 42 yesterday morning... ;) ) u can still leave yourself vulnerable without realising it until its to late...
 
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I now agree with crackhead's post, at least in a large part. Although alcohol does lower inhibitions, and could lower those preventing someone from being a rapey scumbag, I was more thinking of the 'go out with pockets full of duct tape, rope and a claw hammer' type rapists, rather than those that misread signals with it all ending up in an ugly fiasco and a woman (or guy I suppose, if its a *gay man* with a rape 'thing' on), getting hurt due to it.
 
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