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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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ThePredecessor said:
Has anyone tried to plug kratom by making a tea and straining it through cheeeeez cloth? I did this once with H and it was amazing, I just wonder if it could be done with K :)
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People plug hard drugs because they are expensive and give an intense euphoria. Kratom is not a hard drug. It is neither expensive nor capable of causing an intense euphoria. If you want more out of kratom extract the alkaloids into water and or alcohol by heating it on the stove for a couple hours. Then strain and reduce the liquid down to a couple ounces.

Or you could get some enhanced kratom or UEI. Much better than sticking powder up your butt.
 
Haha "mang pimp" had me dying! I need to lay off the cannabis :(. As for plugging kratom I agree with weekend addiction, there are certain drugs that are very beneficial plugged and some that aren't and kratom just doesn't seem worth it. As rediculous as it sounds I actually tried to plug FST and it was totally ineffective so take that fwiw, certainly wouldn't plug a boiled down tea that's for sure. Reminds me of the thread with people plugging poppy tea which was also less effective than oral.
Just buy some UEI and eat the powder ;) (of course be responsible with any extract use!)
 
just going to write a report as my first use of Kratom.

I've been on Methadone for 5 years, I'm currently on 10mg. I'm also on 2mg Clonazapam x3 times daily for panic disorder.

I'm using the Kratom "off shelter and not recommended" for post-operative pain.

Is it working for the pain? Yes
Is it giving me a "high"? Yes and no, I feel like a warm feeling similar to a pre-glow from taking Molly

This is my first time using it, I'm using White Borneo leaf, I have Green Horn Malayasia in transit (it's legal here). I will report back on the differences tomorrow for my situation (pain management).

Since my opiate tolerance is very very high and my metablolism is very very fast I took 4 grams, and 2.5 grams an hour later. I think that if I pushed it another 3 grams i would have a nice sedation but I am not in a position to be sedated right now.

More later.

Dosed another 2.5 grams, I get a slight wave of sedative hum in waves, but I generally just feel more alert and pain free. THe others who have likened it to Tramadol would be fairly on spot. Tramadol doesn't give me any nods/opiate type high but rather kills pain and gives a bit of energy. Tramadol unfortunately is a bit of a dangerous drug so I steer clear.

More if anything interested on the white vein borneo later. Tomorrow for Green Malaysian Menge De.

last comments on the white borneo, not that impressive as an RC but great as an analgesic compound, first pain free day in weeks. This stuff is great so far!
 
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CaptainKratom said:
Haha "mang pimp" had me dying! I need to lay off the cannabis :(. As for plugging kratom I agree with weekend addiction, there are certain drugs that are very beneficial plugged and some that aren't and kratom just doesn't seem worth it. As rediculous as it sounds I actually tried to plug FST and it was totally ineffective so take that fwiw, certainly wouldn't plug a boiled down tea that's for sure. Reminds me of the thread with people plugging poppy tea which was also less effective than oral.
Just buy some UEI and eat the powder ;) (of course be responsible with any extract use!)
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Have to say, the thought of plugging tea just made me also spit coffee on my computer, please, for the love of god don't. lmfao
 
Never plugged anything but I'm about to have Viva Zen it's a liquid 60 ml shot. I like to take 2 shots. Contains: kratom, white willow bark, White Lotus, wild dagga, skull cap, California Poppy and baswellia. I've had it before, its very effective. I like it I'm just building up the what it takes to drink it because it definitely has bitter flavor.
 
So last night couldn't sleep at ALL, but was no longer sedated. I found that smoking herbal helped potentiate better than any other potentiators so far. This morning I am feeling nice..

Question on the Cali Poppy Flower, there is a store down the street.. only one in town that stocks it. But they have 1l bottles of the stuff. Is it in any way usefel as a herbal remedy? I also wonder if the dangerous alkaloids are removed from the liquid at the health food store.

Cheers,
 
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HdoubleODeezy said:
Odd you mention that because Kratom and Tramadol feel almost identical to me, tramadol a little more warm feeling and longer lasting though.
But if i was given a blind equipotent dose of each, not sure if i could tell the difference.
I think it does have serotonin activity. Not sure which metabolite would have it but i think that is why it mixes so well with etizolam (because that has a certain effect on serotonin too if im not mistaken).
I always say that etizolam is to benzos as to what tramadol is to opiates (i think i worded that right).

About the fiber thing, i dont see how people get constipated from kratom. 1 cuz of the fiber and 2 because it seems to be more stimulant like than the opiods that block you up.
I find im more "regular" with my BM's while taking kratom.

I was just wondering like vitamins or carbs stuff like that. I guess we wont really be able to figure it out tho cuz it's not tested for that cuz it's "not for human consumption" lol.

-HOOD
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I do not know the exact reason, but, I can say that kratom does indeed block you up almost like opiates. A little less, but it still definitely does...I have been 'burning' kratom for roughly 7 years and I have to make sure to take a fiber supplement. Also, as pointed out by whiteroom67, it does have powerful antioxidant properties. I was one who would always get about 1-2 bad colds a year, since I started kratom, I have only been sick ONCE in all those years! But it only lasted for 1 1/2 days, and I felt fine after. Totally true story!
 
Berdo tm1 said:
is it rational of me to think that if i try kratom i am as bad as a heroin junkie on the street begging for change?

or that it may lead me to ruin like them?
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ABSOLUTELY Not! Kratom has many beneficial properties and it helps some people stay away from 'other' substances.
 
yteek said:
My last few kratom experiences have been riddled with a plague of negative side effects.

I've tried it a few times in the past, a few different products from headshops, had some pretty decent experiences but nothing too crazy for better or worst.

Recently got my hands on some Maeng Da from two different vendors.

First time I tried to do toss and wash, puked.

Then onto capsules and when I finally got it down, despite some half decent effects, I ended up being overwhelmed with an experience reminiscent of a bad weed high but not exactly the same.If you're one who knows what I'm talking about, you may be familiar with the feeling of anxiety, quite heady, and not really fun, very psychological and also psychedelic in the worst way possible. Not even mentioning how it also makes me still feel kinda sick to my stomach and that feeling kinda also deducts from any positive.

I tried it a few times, some of them not being quite so bad, but the underlying difficulties are still present to some degree.

I was thinking perhaps a strain change would make a difference, but I don't know. Was thinking maybe less is more might be a better approach and then I was also maybe thinking at a higher dose, a euphoric opiate effect could come into play that would counter this, but quite doubtful of that.

Thoughts?
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I would say to take a much lower dosage and change strains. My kratom doses are always between 1-2 grams only, 3 times a day. I also always weigh my doses so I don't over do it and it also saves you from wasting kratom. Once you find your "sweet spot" stay with that! Your tolerance also increases big time when dosing too much. In my experience, people always dose more than they need to. For me, LESS is always MORE for this wonderful leaf!@
 
yteek said:
My last few kratom experiences have been riddled with a plague of negative side effects.

I've tried it a few times in the past, a few different products from headshops, had some pretty decent experiences but nothing too crazy for better or worst.

Recently got my hands on some Maeng Da from two different vendors.

First time I tried to do toss and wash, puked.

Then onto capsules and when I finally got it down, despite some half decent effects, I ended up being overwhelmed with an experience reminiscent of a bad weed high but not exactly the same.If you're one who knows what I'm talking about, you may be familiar with the feeling of anxiety, quite heady, and not really fun, very psychological and also psychedelic in the worst way possible. Not even mentioning how it also makes me still feel kinda sick to my stomach and that feeling kinda also deducts from any positive.

I tried it a few times, some of them not being quite so bad, but the underlying difficulties are still present to some degree.

I was thinking perhaps a strain change would make a difference, but I don't know. Was thinking maybe less is more might be a better approach and then I was also maybe thinking at a higher dose, a euphoric opiate effect could come into play that would counter this, but quite doubtful of that.

Thoughts?
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Proceed as though less is more. Try to take a dose that does not result in eye wobbles. I use this primarily as a stim. If I get eye-wonky, it's a sign I went a little aggressive with the dose. I really don't see how a massive dose of Kratom could be pleasurable . . . for me anyway. If i take so much that I can no longer make proper eye contact with people, it's a sign that additional side effects are to come . . . confusion, paranoia, cold sweats, etc.

I completely understand the, that much made me feel good-will twice as much be twice as good, approach. With most things more is better. Not this one.
 
Berdo tm1 said:
im currently self employed and kind fo a workaholic, i dont want a drug habit to trash my productiviy/life. so is kratom agood one to take up?

i stopped doing stims cos they distroy me for days/weeks after physcially and mentally, so on top of it being extrmeely unpleasant when they wear off there is also the disruption of normal lifestyle.

regarding the existential issues i think my current thinking is- if im gonna want something to get by day to day anyhow i want it to be something that has least risks and generally safe. so does kratom fit the bill?

i hate all the usual suspects such as alcohol or weed.
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Yes, it fits the bill. You seem to understand the primary issue with productivity drugs and professional life. When you use it daily and then run out, professional life will suffer. You need to consider this. make sure you have a good supply chain. I am currently seeking a cheaper supplier because the cost is starting to get ridiculous. Nonetheless, until I find a replacement, I have a steady steam from my current vendor. I take this stuff every morning before work and every evening before the gym. Usually a dose in between those as well.

I was a stim freak. Love just about all of them. I have been off stims for two years. Kratom fills the little void. Great stuff really. I mean, it's not amphetamine good but, it fills that void . . . just enough to avoid intense desire to put shit up my nose.
 
Yep, I have a serious love affair with kratom. First started using it when I had to quit weed, due to some psychotic/paranoid symptoms starting to show themselves (Guess that the price for being a daily smoker from ages 14-22 huh?). It really helped quitting weed be almost painless, whereas before I found kratom I couldn't go more than 3-4 hours without smoking. I am also a former pharm opiate addict (oxycodone, and dillies). Kratom fills the void. Every time I've run out of kratom for a few days, I end up eating roxy 15 like they're candy, and when I get the kratom in the mail, it takes any withdrawal away, thus starting the love affair again. I've also never gotten any withdrawal from quitting kratom, but then again I only use 4-5 grams, 3 times a day. I've seen people using crazy doses of 20 grams at once. I don't think I could handle that without getting too dizzy.
 
I have tried lots of different strains of Kratom and it never does fuck all to me never had a Kratom buzz just made a tea out of 15g of 20x extract noting but a bit of relaxation
 
tunesey said:
I have tried lots of different strains of Kratom and it never does fuck all to me never had a Kratom buzz just made a tea out of 15g of 20x extract noting but a bit of relaxation
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Maybe you're one of those that has a naturally high tolerance to its effects. Also, I've noticed that with both Kratom and opiates (moreso with opiates), if I've had a long break, it can take 2 or 3 days of usage to start getting more euphoria from it. Of course getting into that habit isn't really a good thing to do anyway. Sometimes I've gotten great euphoria from Kratom, and other times it would just be a mild relaxation like you said, even same strain from same vendor. So it can vary.
 
lol, my post got deleted concerning some of the noobs. Oh well. As for kratom doing fuck all for the guy above, I've seen that among a few of my friends with no opiate tolerance. Doesn't even make them sick or anything. I guess YMMV applies.
 
I still find Kratom to be SO temperamental.

Too much and I won't get a good high.

I think I partially fucked my high today by taking 2 tspns because one of them was white maeng da and that stuff is more dense than the other strains I have so I think I consumed more than I would normally on tpspns of other strains even though 2tspns is usually a good dosage for me.

I guess getting a better scale would be good but USUALLY I get the dosage right these days. The last scale I bought was completely useless so I don't really feel like spending more on a scale now which might be equally worthless.

I'm still feeling it, but the euphoria isn't what it should be and I know that what euphoria I do have would go away entirely if I took more so I just have to wait and hopefully more of the euphoria comes back.

I feel like Kratom is the "PMsing temperamental chick of the drug world" lol...
 
Agreed with above poster. For me, kratom only works on an empty stomach, and only last 2 hrs or so. I take 10 grams, & can tell no difference between green or red vein, but only in the quality of the kratom itself. July 3, 2014, I had 10 grams Mitra Red Borneo, on an empty stomach, at 8:15 pm, at a Jazz Fest. I pre-mixed it with grapefruit juice at home so I could drink it openly. By 8:45 I felt some warmness and activity in my head, altered perception, more happy and energized as I enjoyed the atmosphere. I finally ate a philly at 9, & the feeling was gone by 10:15, when we left. Around 9:30 I felt tired and for 5 minutes almost nodded, but then was wide awake again. Also find it hard to dose high enough to feel a buzz without getting sweaty & nauseous. I've thrown up before off it, after driving a few miles, and also feel very anxious & impatient on it, a red light seems to last an annoyingly long time, & every little line you queue in makes me antsy. I am opiate naive also, I was worried kratom would be more like an opiate & make me content (and more likely to get addicted to it) instead of the stimulant properties which are more prominent.
 
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