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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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It just didn't seem to help with the pain, and I'm told certain strains are good for pain, some are good for anxiety, etc. Am I misinformed?
 
Kratom definitely has a limit to the analgesic effects it produces. But yes Bali and RVT work for pain...for me anyway. But you need a good source more importantly. Stay away from headshop kratom...it literally is total weak garbage....any kratom that's "branded" is utter trash and they can put ANYTHING in it. Search for Kratom Vendors online and order from a reputable source and save literal 5-10X the amount.
 
Some strains are better for pain, but for me, they all seem to help anxiety. Some are more energetic, like the white veins, and the red veins are more sedating, and also better for pain. Also like al said, there is a limit to Kratom's effects... all of them. And yes make sure to get it from a reputable online vendor because headshop Kratom is horrible.
 
I agree about the helping with anxiety. Helps mine greatly..
Except in one case: While going through benzo wd lol.. shit fucks with you hard IME.

Doesn't do much for pain for me though.
Than again even when on dope or oxycodone back when I was an addict I didn't seem to get analgesic effects.
The only way it would help me deal with pain is make me feel "good" or put me in a great mood, only pain it would take away were pains from wds.
I think for me opiates just work to take my mind off the pain, not get rid of it (if that makes sense).

-HOOD
 
All kratom does for me now is gives me a mood lift. If you are expecting a strong opiate high, plain lead won't get you there.
 
I'm not looking for a strong opiate high.
I use kratom when I feel i need to for exactly the reason of a mood lift (like you said you get).
But also i become more creative when on it.. possibly do to the slight stim effects?
I'm a lyricist and I've written some of my best work on kratom and etizolam.
Synergize nicely for me.
Never tried anything like UEI and dont feel the need to. Plain leaf gives me the mellow anxiety relief plus mood lift and maybe a little body buzz type warmth.
But no, I don't know if you were referring to me about the "strong opiate high" comment, But that isn't what I use the plant for.
(which I know no one would/should receive a strong opiated high from it, only case I can think that someone might is maybe if it is their first opiate type experience they wont know better, or any different till they experiment with more opiates/opioids lol).

If you weren't referring to me, my bad. But im not arguing, im agreeing.. i just apologize if i stole or butted in to someone elses conversation. :\

-HOOD
 
Hah I feel like this entire forum consists of hijacked threads, but that's kind of the point right, everyone weighing in so we can be as safe/knowledgeable as possible? Like me, I know a bit about opiates from being prescribed, but I'm trying to find alternatives like kratom because I would rather not be a slave to this shit my whole life, and I know next to nothing about kratom. Finding a decent vendor outside of my local headshop has been a nightmare.

So I shouldn't base my experience on kratom on the "maeng da" capsules I got from my headshop?

Also the main reason. I wanna get off opiates is like, the stress of knowing my comfort level, my ability to work, my mental comfort is tied to something I have no control over. Most people can wake up and take a 3 day trip to the beach if they want. They don't have to worry "do I have enough meds to go away for 3 days and not get sick?" Or when the blizzard hit this winter and cvs supply route got fucked up and they were out of my meds, had to worry and hope they came in on time. Or if the fucking zombie apocalypse happened most people could rip and run. I'd have to be like wait wait wait, stop the armored school bus, I think that pharmacy is in tact!

Fuck all that noise.
 
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Or if the fucking zombie apocalypse happened most people could rip and run. I'd have to be like wait wait wait, stop the armored school bus, I think that pharmacy is in tact!
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lmao.

On that note:
Cure for zombie apocalypse.. give them high doses of benzos, alcohol and opiates for extended amount of time and cut them off CT.
They'll off themselves.

-HOOD
 
Sorry for the double post.. my last one was 3 days ago so i hope its ok, plus if i just edit it, it wont bump the thread..

Ok.. I been using kratom off and on for about a year (ever since i let my bupe PAWS pass, finally), usually 2 weeks on 2-3 weeks off with minimal wd.
Well I used for the 2 weeks like usual, but a different strain. Weird thing is, this strain didn't seem to have as much effect "mood lift", energy'productivity boost etc.
In fact I don't remember any effects from it really other than it satisfying my want/need to take it.
So.. to my point. This strain for 2 weeks that gave me almost no effects, now has me in stonger wd from stopping than the strain that usually works pretty well for me.. seems odd to me but ok, i get it.. gotta pay the price of "dabbling" once in a while.
To add on to this fact, someone in my household had a stroke recently and just got home from rehabilitation. Me being the only other man in the house and the strongest.. have been needed to help him a little (i feel like im dying myself, so i stay in bed usually until someone gets me and tells me to help him (which only has happened a couple times, thank god [if there is one] )
I am 3 days into the wd and know it could end within the next few days but the ex junkie in me made a dumb move, i ordered more (this time my usual strain) and i SHOULD be taking a break from it for a couple weeks. It comes in the mail tomorrow (would have been today but it was a holiday) and am going to wanna take it as soon as it arrives, and no matter what i say or tell myself.. i will take it. So here's another 2 weeks on that i shouldn't be doing.

Question is. It will be here in 12 hours. I slept most of today because of obvious reasons. So now can't sleep.
But im tired as fuck, im drinking an energy drink right now to get rid of the dragging ass feeling.
I take a bunch or rx meds daily, i wont list them. But one of the meds i take is a benzo, i double dosed to help comfort myself. It's working to an extent.
I also (stupidly) take phenibut daily but in small doses, usually 300 mg 3xday or 500mg 2xday. All it does since i take little amounts and have been for a while, is relax me and get rid of the nasty feeling i get when i dont take it. It was different when i first started taking it, ill explain the effects i got then in the next part of this question.
If I was to take right now 1.2g phenibut in kratom wds.. would it be enough to give me the feeling i got when first starting taking it? Energy, reduced anxiety, good feeling etc?
I just gotta hold on for 12 hours and feel like absolute shit right now. I wouldn't feel as shitty if i wasn't expecting more en-route to me for tomorrow.
But taking it off of my usual schedule is going to fuck it up and i will be dealing with this again in 2 weeks, but the reason im doing it (not only for myself) is so i can be of use to the person in my house that needs my help.
I'm a nicer more productive and helpful person on it and this would be a time when that will come in handy.
This person deserves my help beyond words, if it wasn't for him.. my life would be a lot worse than it already is (this person is my grandfather). I'm willing to go through wds later so i can help him when he needs it, a sacrifice i am more than willing to make.

So my point in all this is, dose 3x my normal of phenibut in addition to my benzos to help until tomorrow, or no? lol.
Long post for simple question i know, just also felt like venting what is going on right now.. my psych is proving to be useless once again.
Thanks for any answers, ill try to wait for a couple opinions before going ahead and doing, or not doing, what i am seeking guidance on.

-HOOD

EDIT: Reason I'm asking for opinions when usually i just take care of myself doing whatever I know will help, i literally can't think ATM that's how drained my body and mind feel.

EDIT 2: Ended up taking trazadone last night forcing myself to sleep.
Kratom came, not feeling shitty anymore, but keep having panic attacks (unrelated to this topic).
Anywayz.. i made it til today. Gonna take some benzos now to get rid of this crazy anxiety.

-HOOD
 
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I am a new Kratom user. It is part of a plan that never goes right, but hey its fun.
I have read all of the mega threads. I looked at Kratom for about the past 3 months.

By the way, I am not asking anyone to answer these questions, this is my work and fun time but any comments are great. This is what I am doing poking around in the Kratom forums all over the web. I have a different mood here at Blue Light and thanks to everyone for making it what it is. I stay here.
I am taking it for:
1. Pure recreational enjoyment evaluation. If I could only do Kratom would I be satisfied?
2. Not if but when I taper off opiates can Kratom help? IF so, how well and what works best with it?
3. I believe it has other value. What does it reportedly offer versus what do I feel day to day?

Today was my 3rd actual Kratom experience, or I should say is, I took this 3rd dose about 45 minutes ago. I purchased powdered, they didn't offer leaf. I simply mix it with the smallest amount of water i can chug, stir it well, and pop it down the hatch. Then I go for a "second wash" on the glass heh.

It is rare for me to only have one thing going in the evenings regarding what is rolling through my veins. When I took the Kratom I was already under the influence of opiates, smoke, nicotine, a little Phendimetrazine may be around but I do not continue use or use close to the dose of Kratom. Late in any opiate based experience I may add some xanax. .5 to 1. Since learning what a dangerous combination it is I stopped drinking when using opiates and benzos. It made the most sense rather than me keeping up with how much I drank.
(Do NOT MIX THESE things, it is dangerous, and can kill you. No shit, dead, don't do it.
The short version of this should be I am extremely careful when I mix these things, I am paranoid about it as I am many things, to the extreme. Yet I still manage to make mistakes which could cost my life. For HR sake, I wanted to make sure anyone understands I have used for pushing 30 years. I have learned more on how to be safe here, from you folks. Thanks. Do not mix alcohol, Xanax, opiates, kratom. I have not mixed alcohol with Kratom, but I have the other things. There are many reasons why not, 1 Dead 2 Dead3 Dead
IMO It dirties the buzz
If you get the opiate "grumpiness" with an alcohol rage you will do something you regret, stupid, and we are avoiding those situations.
Or, maybe the other way, want to have a good time and yeah, lets all have a good time. Broke the next day, hurting, sick, x100 when you are broke.
I prefer my opiates without alcohol, but I smoke with everything.

If you have any suggestions dealing with Kratom brands, how I should be taking my doses if I am looking for pain relief and recreational, I know you aren't my Dr., don't know my history, etc, so how about what you would take? Not that I would follow it unless it met my own, but for curiosity sake.
I am going to wrap this up with what Kratom flavors I am taking:
Super Green Bali was my first. I took 4 grams and felt nothing
Same strain the next evening I took 10 grams, was under the influence of opiates, but the Kratom gave me a euphoric glow and kicked in nice. If it was placebo I want it again as it lasted a long time, IE an hour or so which I am happy with for a good glow, intense ones anyway.

about 60 minutes ago i took 8.5 grams of the Super Green Bali and mixed it with 1 gram of Concentrated Maeng Da Kratom. They clai 1 gram of it equals 7.8 grams of unenhanced Maeng Da. As usual I have some other things, smoke and opiates, and can elaborate if anyone is interested, ROA, etc

**I understand my use of these things may / will cause fast jumps in tolerance, I am / will probably experience cross-tolerance and this is not a good idea if I want to use it to taper my dose down. I take many risks and put myself in the wrong situations I shouldn't, and sometimes there is not a need only my lack of education about it. I do appreciate any HR offered but I understand I take too much or mix too many things sometimes.
 
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^ I've read a many times in threads that you can't really boost an opiate experience with kratom. Especially if the opiate you're originally using is stronger?

I toss and wash, sometimes daily, mixing the red vain, white b, and green Malay together.
I only recently started trying this and find as little as 8g of this stuff combined floors me. To the point where I'm almost sick but still dwelling in an opi-stupor. Before the consumption I ate half a grapefruit as well (but I have has just as good an experience without it).

Also, I used to use morphine daily but broke the favor l habit probably two months before trying this stuff)

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Today, as of twenty minutes ago, I ingested (on empty stomach):
3.8g super Green Malay powder
2.4g red vain powder
2.2g white vain b powder

Already I feel the effects creeping in: slight nausea, then accompanied by a warm facial flush turning into a warm, enticing buzz.
But I am also feeling a residual "push" to do something or stay up, despite my relaxed intentions. If I gave too much together I might become a little shaky, but it's no different than having too much caffeine. I find eating helps two hours in. I'm usually starving by then.
This stuff when mixed works wonders - my hand and its swelling from potential arthritis no longer throbs. At the end of each week I look forward to using this and putting my hand in a bucket of ice water. At that point I can't feel it right;).
 
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Drew. said:
^ I've read a many times in threads that you can't really boost an opiate experience with kratom. Especially if the opiate you're originally using is stronger?

I toss and wash, sometimes daily, mixing the red vain, white b, and green Malay together.
I only recently started trying this and find as little as 8g of this stuff combined floors me. To the point where I'm almost sick but still dwelling in an opi-stupor. Before the consumption I ate half a grapefruit as well (but I have has just as good an experience without it).

Also, I used to use morphine daily but broke the favor l habit probably two months before trying this stuff)

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Today, as of twenty minutes ago, I ingested (on empty stomach):
3.8g super Green Malay powder
2.4g red vain powder
2.2g white vain b powder

Already I feel the effects creeping in: slight nausea, then accompanied by a warm facial flush turning into a warm, enticing buzz.
But I am also feeling a residual "push" to do something or stay up, despite my relaxed intentions. If I gave too much together I might become a little shaky, but it's no different than having too much caffeine. I find eating helps two hours in. I'm usually starving by then.
This stuff when mixed works wonders - my hand and its swelling from potential arthritis no longer throbs. At the end of each week I look forward to using this and putting my hand in a bucket of ice water. At that point I can't feel it right;).
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With regards to "boosting" I'm sure there are many words, ways, phrases for what it did for me, but I am nowhere near as up to speed on chemistry as it seems several people here are. I will give you a kind of trip report from the last week which is my only Kratom experience to give, but if interested in the "boosting" this should prove useful.

I consider my tolerance to be above average. I fully understand and so should anyone else that anything I say about tolerance pertains to me, not you, especially not you :), seriously, don't fuck around and as they say, you can add more, once you are dead you can not take less. Do not combine, add, potentiate, and think you are following some super recipe the Drug Gods keep to themselves that you have stumbled across. Don't blindly follow something you read, understand what is happening and why you are doing it.

I have taken Kratom 3 or 4 times over the past week and I should remember exactly but heh, you know memory is one of the first things to go when you do too much to your brain, anyway I can never remember all the good times, but easily remember the bad. There was 1 bad experience.
It was the second time:
I use recreationally at the moment. I mentioned in another thread I bought it to use as a taper when needed off opiates. I have to know if it works and how to use it :) I decided to use it in a way to maintain my opiate "pain relief, buzz, whatever you want to call it irdgas" up until bed time and into sleep. I have always slept better on opiates, no restlessness, but that is another thread.
I will give you a quick run down of times from last night:
5: PM - IV 3(three) 4mg Dilaudid, generic and 6(six) 15mg IR Oxycodone, generic.
8: PM - Oral dose powdered Kratom 10.3 grams. Mix it up in a small amount of water and drink it down. - Empty stomach.
I feel the effects in about 20 minutes, consistently across all three "flavors" or "brands" I have tried so far.
The night I became nauseous it was about 45 minutes in. I didn't vomit, just serious nauseous. I eat a few tums around 4:45, but drank water otherwise since lunch.
The other times have been great, but not as great as more opiates. IF it builds tolerance to opiates in general (is that cross tolerance?) then it is not worth taking, if it doesn't it is, when you want the relief the combo offers. Price is also a consideration. What I bought must be the real deal, but the prices are not far away from opiate pricing on the street. Not that I do that I have prescriptions from my Dr.
Anyway, it is more synergistic than boosted. Kratom is different even though I may use the same words, and that is why I said if this is what you are looking for.

It did give me pain relief. I won't go into my details at this point but I am having a procedure on Friday and I am in a lot of pain everyday. As the worst of it starts to creep back in and I dosed the Kratom the slight euphoric was accompanied with pain relief and I was very surprised and pleased!. It came on with as I mentioned, slight euphoria, light body feeling, heightened and pushed the opiate glow which was there but almost gone and the areas I always hurt in the most were relieved int he same manner as the opiates do.
I can go into details of how much pain is relieved by any medication Ive tried and all those things, but no reason. It had the same affect opiates do which isnt saying my pain is gone by a long shot, it helps.

10: PM
I ate dinner, bad time to eat I know, but I took .5 mg Xanax before I ate, floss and brush and out cold.
4:30 AM eyes pop open and I can't go back to sleep and I am hurting like hell. Another day in the cycle

I do not take Kratom everyday and will not. To me it is not going to work as well.
I would drink a ton of water, and be prepared to piss for a bit constantly.
I was talkative and social. Says a lot for me. No anxiety, everything was alright.
I would not drive or operate anything dangerous on it at these doses and just like anything when you go out of your comfort zone the psychological effects are hugely increased.

Feel free to ask anything, but since I am still so new to it I will keep searching for more information on people using it as a taper. I think it ha potential for me to use it in that manner and plan on using it now to maintain and lower my opiate usage and get my plan together.
 
I'm wondering about other people's experiences with the difference between not drinking coffee on Kratom or only a little bit vs drinking A LOT of coffee on Kratom.

I have a pretty bad caffeine addiction in that I drink more than I wish I did and it doesn't always make me feel good but I'm addicted.

I drink about 4-6 cups a day...on the worst days it might go up to 7.

I just need to drink at least a few cups or I don't feel well, so everytime I do Kratom I drink coffee.

Am I correct that two have synergistic effects?


Cause the thing is, I still feel very nice on the RIGHT amount of Kratom and like 3 cups of coffee, but I am wondering how much it may change the experience from how it would feel on no coffee or at least less coffee.

I always feel so super stimulated but also euphoric on the combo, but sometimes I start wishing I didn't feel QUITE so stimulated and that the euphoria felt more pleasantly sedating like Oxycodone or Hydrocodone.

So I thought to myself "well, if you want less stimulating effects drink less coffee DUH!!!"

Easier said than done for me though.

And I know everyone says that Green and White strains are stimulating and red are sedating but to tell you the truth, I really haven't noticed the difference between any of them so far and I have taken a few of each strain.

Do any other heavy coffee drinkers on here find the Kratom high to be significantly different and/or more like Hydrocodone and Oxycodone and less like a super speedy version of the latter if they drink less or no coffee on it??

Any tips to getting a high off it that more resembles Vicodin or Percocet that isn't quite so damn speedy?

Thanks
 
I think we have similar goals, you with coffee, me with opiates.
My DOC has always been whatever gets me a speedball effect. I prefer to go up, bounce around for a while then come down and sleep. However I am not a coffee drinker.
I am in touch with my pharms and in my few, limited experiences with Kratom I found the effects of speediness at the dose I took just above where I could feel anything. Of course that would be strain related, but that was how it worked for me.
Say I take 5 grams to feel anything at all and 25 will make me sick. If I was trying for a speedy dose at this moment I would take 6.5 and wait 35 minutes and then re dose up to another 4 or 5 grams. I feel like too much longer and the redose would not be as good, but in my experiences with things in general the longer the half life the bigger the redose window with many exceptions as always but I am talking about me, the strain I have, what I ate, smoked, drank, tooted, booted, flipped and rubbed on the inside of my wrists :)

I already know that at my tolerance yesterday 10.3 was not speedy (but was also combined with other things, but probably the same exact items and dosages today, so while double checking to be sure, I am the same in that respect) but that is if I was dosing tonight, and I am not.
Again, please no one take these amounts and simply replicate them, I am talking about me and what my body may be good on, and mixing things is not something to jump in at all. Neither is IV use. No alcohol is used. I do drink, but I do not drink and mix heavy narcotics or have intentions with Kratom.Narcotics and alcohol is a waste and makes me act stupid, again thats me, and Kratom with alcohol makes me think I will get sick and have a bad hangover.
 
Has anyone tried to plug kratom by making a tea and straining it through cheeeeez cloth? I did this once with H and it was amazing, I just wonder if it could be done with K :)
 
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Has anyone tried to plug kratom by making a tea and straining it through cheeeeez cloth? I did this once with H and it was amazing, I just wonder if it could be done with K :)
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LOL! Seriously? How are you gonna plug a whole glass of liquid?

But if you're serious about plugging, go buy a full spectrum tincture. There are some that are 4 ml and the 4 ml are extracts of over 150 grams. I remember reading a report of someone on either this board or DF actually OD'ing on one particular FST, so it is for real. When I do it orally, one drop makes me feel like I took a roxy 30. So if you plugged it, you'd probably feel the same but with a rush.
 
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