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Discussion - Creditability - is it ours or the universe's to take?
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parttime crackhead
Bluelighter
Is it though?
Would you say it was admirable if I had blind faith in the tooth fairy?
Not trying to get into a god = santa style debate, but seriously - would you say it was admirable if I had absolute faith in something we could all agree is ridiculous?
Edit - I hadn't seen page 2 with everyone basically saying the same thing
Eveleivibe
Ex-Bluelighter
Chatative you're a mod?????? Well done mate congrats.... I was really hoping you'd be chosen....
Evey
Evey
Eveleivibe
Ex-Bluelighter
It's called believing in God n being Christian. You don't justify it. You just believe or you don't. Simple.
Define "delusional" and then define "faith?" These are different things to different people. What may be delusional to you may be in fact normality to another....
Faith is the ability to believe in something without the need for evidence or facts....
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parttime crackhead
Bluelighter
I'm fairly sure if I did believe in god I would blame him for the bad things just as much as I would thank him for the good things. You've only really got god's word for it that he's a nice guy and well, he would say wouldn't he?
Thou
Bluelighter
I don't believe in anything that can't be detected by scientific instruments.
Eveleivibe
Ex-Bluelighter
That's ok. That's your belief system. So would you so, then, that you are in fact atheist or agnostic?
Evey
Thou
Bluelighter
Why do you feel the need to tell me that my statement was ok?
Also, as per your question to me, I'd have to clarify and remind you that I wasn't representing a belief system with that one statement. You're making an assumption that I have a system.
If I had any such system, it'd be based off of reason and critical thinking, specific analysis, and common sense. Spirituality would be present in the system and, in fact, is quite inherent in the system. The knowledge that all perceivable phenomena are interconnected and infinite.
Belief is kind of a transient phenomenon based on events happening in the space-time continuum.
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Spliff Politics
Bluelighter
That hasnt really explained anything though. Could you please try to explain why Christians do this? Why would you want to take away from your achievements and say that it was all god? It seriously is just abused-wife syndrome
Eveleivibe
Ex-Bluelighter
God has his reasons for the bad things. Maybe he needs those people in heaven or for some other business. I am not about to question God's will. I just believe and accept it. always have n always will. It's faith. You have a different faith. That's ok. We're all different n that makes the world exciting and interesting.... What is mad, though, is how religion can cause so much animosity and conflict...
I'm asking you lot that :D I started the thread...... I get a get-out-of-jail free card so ner LOL
So - you tell me.... why or why not????
Evey
Spliff Politics
Bluelighter
I really dont know, thats why i asked the question! A question which only a christian can answer. I dont know why im even bothering tbh, i know im not gonna get a answer haha
HouseFever
Bluelighter
I used to believe in God, then I left junior school.
It all seemed a bit bloody silly to me even then to be honest. I did try though. Spent... a long time (presumably during the summer holidays cos was days on end all day every day) sat with a massive (but abridged for kids) bible. Quite liked the first part where it's all fairy tale stuff but got bored when that Jesus fella got involved frankly. Yes he did do some kewl tricks apparently but not as impressive as Paul Daniels.
HouseFever
Bluelighter
I've always had my doubts, but leaving a COE junior school, going in to a council estate comprehensive confirmed my doubts. I mean they had a science block where you could actually learn about life, with an actual science teacher. Instead of singing about being cold and naked when god wasnt there while making all the asian kids sit in silence down a silent corridor.
parttime crackhead
Bluelighter
I know he does. The reason is that he's a dick.
I don't blame the guy, if I was god I'd like to think I'd be a nice god but I know there would be the odd day when I was in a bad mood, comedown or whatever, I'd think fuck these cunts and cook up a tsunami, or a plague of locust. Take that heathens. Then I'd go back to the sofa and watch the middle east kick off for a while.
Which neatly brings us full circle back to ol'...
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There he is! Praise the one true god.
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ColtDan
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Nature has its reasons for things. cause and effect. Bad and good is subjective
“The amazing thing is that every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust. You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements - the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution - weren’t created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way they could get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode. So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today.”
― Lawrence M. Krauss
“The amazing thing is that every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust. You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements - the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution - weren’t created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way they could get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode. So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today.”
― Lawrence M. Krauss
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They made all the Muslims (and Sikhs and Hindus and a Buddhist or two) join in at my CoE Middle School (probably Primary too for that matter). Detention for anybody caught not singing the hymns. Y'know the lowest blow of all? Was the science teacher that marched up and down the aisles listening to check everybody was singing along. And not singing the mucky versions.
parttime crackhead
Bluelighter
They made the Muslim kids (kid) at my apparently non religious primary school sing hymns with every other donut. I had to get my mum to write a letter (Gangster shit) to say I wasn't going to church at Easter because I didn't believe in it. It's mental that they just assume folk want their kids indoctrinated with that shit.
It's not even an issue that kids are force fed religion from 4 years old when it's Christianity. Cunts would be flipping the lid if all the Christian kids at school were made to get the prayer mats out and point at Mecca at every assembly.
It's not even an issue that kids are force fed religion from 4 years old when it's Christianity. Cunts would be flipping the lid if all the Christian kids at school were made to get the prayer mats out and point at Mecca at every assembly.
Eveleivibe
Ex-Bluelighter
Ahhhh peeps I've JD'd so I'm not in the right place to debate anything n couldn't do it justice... I class myself as a Spiritualist-Christian, because I believe in God, in Jesus - that he's the son of God but I also believe in reincarnation and mediumship and the blueprint ie we come onto planet Earth to grow... we have many lives and then once this has happened we become pure energy (Sylvia Browne etc) plus I've had prophetic dreams and a lot of "warnings" giving to me throughout my lifetime...
Whenever something bad is about to happen I have this horrible uneasiness that I can't shake off..... so I'm probably NOT the best person to argue this stuff as I have my own kinda spiritual stuff going on..... consiquenting Wednesday 21st January 2004.....
I read and read and read......
then bad stuff happened - and I fell off the path.... I guess that was negativity fighting me... I've a tattoo on my back about that (will take a piccie one day) the collision of what is and what isn't.
So..... yea.... another time.......
Oh and a tarot card reading predicted a whole year of my life, I kid you not.... She was meant to meet, I ignored her though.... but she warned me about a very cruel and evil n dark entity that was my ex...
Ah I also went to a Spiritual chat site back in 2004 n they told me I should be a philosopher, because I challenged stuff - rather than accepted things y'know... I asked questions... It wasn't appreciated... They taught you how to open up and expand on mediumship and aload of other spiritual stuff like meditation and astral protection. it was like £4 a month... Anyway they're kind of "open mindedness" is shut up and swallow everything and accept it.... I couldn't. They hated it, we parted ways...
EDIT: I've read many a book which advises to 'keep away from' "toxic negative energies" (meaning certain people). Those books anger me. I believe that no one is truly a "negative / dark entity" but a person inflicted with dark / negativity as if they had an infection - but like any infection - it can be cured. It is the temptation from the devil. But everyone can get well, with help, with nourishment, with companionship, with empathy. Instead of judging it's important to help those people - stop them being toxic and have them integrated into the world - a world full of positivity, full of warmth, full of love, of light, of laughter, of togetherness. Instead of 'those negative people infecting US we infection THEM with positivity.'
Evey
Whenever something bad is about to happen I have this horrible uneasiness that I can't shake off..... so I'm probably NOT the best person to argue this stuff as I have my own kinda spiritual stuff going on..... consiquenting Wednesday 21st January 2004.....
I read and read and read......
then bad stuff happened - and I fell off the path.... I guess that was negativity fighting me... I've a tattoo on my back about that (will take a piccie one day) the collision of what is and what isn't.
So..... yea.... another time.......
Oh and a tarot card reading predicted a whole year of my life, I kid you not.... She was meant to meet, I ignored her though.... but she warned me about a very cruel and evil n dark entity that was my ex...
Ah I also went to a Spiritual chat site back in 2004 n they told me I should be a philosopher, because I challenged stuff - rather than accepted things y'know... I asked questions... It wasn't appreciated... They taught you how to open up and expand on mediumship and aload of other spiritual stuff like meditation and astral protection. it was like £4 a month... Anyway they're kind of "open mindedness" is shut up and swallow everything and accept it.... I couldn't. They hated it, we parted ways...
EDIT: I've read many a book which advises to 'keep away from' "toxic negative energies" (meaning certain people). Those books anger me. I believe that no one is truly a "negative / dark entity" but a person inflicted with dark / negativity as if they had an infection - but like any infection - it can be cured. It is the temptation from the devil. But everyone can get well, with help, with nourishment, with companionship, with empathy. Instead of judging it's important to help those people - stop them being toxic and have them integrated into the world - a world full of positivity, full of warmth, full of love, of light, of laughter, of togetherness. Instead of 'those negative people infecting US we infection THEM with positivity.'
Evey
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