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I've been using 5F-UR-144 about 3-4 times per week for almost a year now and I've noticed little ill effects. Never had withdrawal from this drug, even when taking large tolerance breaks. However, I do notice coughing and headaches when it's smoked in a blend (I usually use a lightbulb vape but dosing is sketchy). With eyeballing it's very easy to cross that line from pleasant high to scary trip.. I keep benzos around just in case. At high doses I noticed strong paranoia, dissociation, thought loops, some light hallucinations etc. typical of psychedelic "bad trips" (which I actually enjoy occasionally) but the one thing that scares me is extreme shaking and twitching. This side effect gets stronger with higher doses and makes me worry if I went TOO high it could be a seizure risk.
 
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Thanks TOZ so just pure acetone :-) do you recommend and cannibnoid legal in uk would be great help as my tolatance to 5fpb22 and akb48f need something stronger
 
HazelCloud said:
I've been using 5F-UR-144 about 3-4 times per week for almost a year now and I've noticed little ill effects. Never had withdrawal from this drug, even when taking large tolerance breaks. However, I do notice coughing and headaches when it's smoked in a blend (I usually use a lightbulb vape but dosing is sketchy). With eyeballing it's very easy to cross that line from pleasant high to scary trip.. I keep benzos around just in case. At high doses I noticed strong paranoia, dissociation, thought loops, some light hallucinations etc. typical of psychedelic "bad trips" (which I actually enjoy occasionally) but the one thing that scares me is extreme shaking and twitching. This side effect gets stronger with higher doses and makes me worry if I went TOO high it could be a seizure risk.
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Hazel cloud

You said you vaped it over a light bulb but how did you comsume it ???
 
HazelCloud said:
I've been using 5F-UR-144 about 3-4 times per week for almost a year now and I've noticed little ill effects. Never had withdrawal from this drug, even when taking large tolerance breaks. However, I do notice coughing and headaches when it's smoked in a blend (I usually use a lightbulb vape but dosing is sketchy). With eyeballing it's very easy to cross that line from pleasant high to scary trip.. I keep benzos around just in case. At high doses I noticed strong paranoia, dissociation, thought loops, some light hallucinations etc. typical of psychedelic "bad trips" (which I actually enjoy occasionally) but the one thing that scares me is extreme shaking and twitching. This side effect gets stronger with higher doses and makes me worry if I went TOO high it could be a seizure risk.
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Big seizure risk, I've suffered many simple and complex focal seizures from AM2201 and AB-FUBINACA before I realised what was actually happening.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seizure_types
 
This entire thread makes me cringe, id give you my MJ for free before i let any human smoke synthetic.. But, since i am here.. Do you guys actually smoke this? Are you not being chased by aliens? I have never heard a good story of someone smoking synthetics, its always ended in "And then they tried to stab everyone" or "And then they tried to stab themselves" or "And then they were convinced they were dead", so how are you guys and gals handling it?
 
i smoked synths for years without anything in the way of negative effects -- i may have just been lucky, though.

i'm done with them now, got off of them a few months ago... got too worried that one of these things would eventually end up being a potent DNA alkylating carcinogen.

and now with a DEA scare last month they're probably pretty hard to find from legit sources anyway.
 
i smoked for maybe half a year, not that often as many here seem to do... i kept it to a couple o joints a week. Of course i had kind of a binge once, not that i was on it 24/7 but it was more of a constant challenge to get high at almost pointless times, never those yucky cravings you hear about. This was in the beginning of my six noid months.

My interest quickly transformed from practical to theoretical. It was more fun to read about new molecules, fantisize about what difference there might be to the few new ones made available now and then, those kinda things.

In the end i got panic attacks from a strange event involving some other drugs, but it was easy to blame the noids for it at first, seeing as theyve got quite a bad reputation, and i never considered them very safe. So to escape the attacks i quit the noids - i quickly understood they were not to blame but i never found any reason to get back on them again. So i sold my stash and moved on, having tried maybe six or seven different molecules.

Still, i hang around here as they are still very interesting animals in vitro. Also, as i might have said before, im a sucker for these dystopian scenarios where are consumed by something without noticing, or being able to fight back. And if you want to wallow in misery, cannabinoid stories are top tier.
 
28 people hospitalized after smoking spice in ocala florida. smokeshop raided. they are currenlty testing sample
 
^ wow. please come back with more info when you got it if you got it!
 
widowmaker said:
This entire thread makes me cringe, id give you my MJ for free before i let any human smoke synthetic.. But, since i am here.. Do you guys actually smoke this? Are you not being chased by aliens? I have never heard a good story of someone smoking synthetics, its always ended in "And then they tried to stab everyone" or "And then they tried to stab themselves" or "And then they were convinced they were dead", so how are you guys and gals handling it?
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don't beleive the hype.

some of the MJ's on the market are just as dangerous IMHO.

for 1 they are being grown by drug cartels in other unregulated agricultural countries, which have no concern for your safety!!!

do you think they are using FDA approved pesticides and fertilizers?

not to mention what the drug war did to the natural ratio of CBD to THC pot used to have in the 70's, now it's more like 18-20% THC to .01% CBD in many street brands.

I can make spice safer (weaker) than that, and make the ratio to CBD equal.

Just remember the government media that is propagating the synth noid myth were the same guys who made MJ illegal for no good reason.
 
thenightwatch said:
and now with a DEA scare last month they're probably pretty hard to find from legit sources anyway.
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yep yep,

inside circle only....speak easy, knock on the pipe.

they have forced the entire industry underground and lost the millions in taxes they were making!

idiots in office is the only logical explanation!

we don't go banning alcohol because a bunch of kids got a hold of it and crashed their car and died!!!

but yet, that is reason enough for spice and other things kids shouldn't be doing anyway....:X

we can't let rebellious children dictate our legislation!!! or we will have no rights left.
 
Fosterlawd said:
Thanks TOZ so just pure acetone :-) do you recommend and cannibnoid legal in uk would be great help as my tolatance to 5fpb22 and akb48f need something stronger
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the only thing that is going to help with tolerance is a break, allow the receptors to gradually reset downward....

there is no magic noid that will peak your receptors once they have been set that high.

that being said, if you can get it legally in the UK 5F-THJ-018 would be a good alternative to the two mentioned...IMHO.
 
jeremysdemo said:
the only thing that is going to help with tolerance is a break, allow the receptors to gradually reset downward....

there is no magic noid that will peak your receptors once they have been set that high.
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...but there is a magic drug, it's called ketamine and it resets tolerance to cannabis back to zero everytime when used ;)
 
Toz said:
...but there is a magic drug, it's called ketamine and it resets tolerance to cannabis back to zero everytime when used ;)
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I have heard of it but only as a temporary effect.

I doubt it resets the receptors for any length of time beyond it's duration.

but I'd love to be proven wrong on that, just not with my body! lol
 
jameskpoke said:
anybody try thj-122?
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you'd have to go back a few pages....well more than a few actually...but someone did chime in with an experience report on it.

from what I gathered from their post the 5F-THJ series were the only ones worth researching....
 
Toz said:
...but there is a magic drug, it's called ketamine and it resets tolerance to cannabis back to zero everytime when used ;)
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Toz on point with his knowledge per usual. :) I want some AB-FUBINACA guize

Ketamine, MXE, 3-MeO-PCP, and I'm sure 4-MeO-PCP all reset cannabis/synth-can's tolerance. Although, it's doubtful you'll find 4-MeO...

Oh and wet/PCP/angel dust would probably help as well, but that is too manic for most due to dosing way too high with a "wet" cig.
 
Fosterlawd said:
Hazel cloud

You said you vaped it over a light bulb but how did you comsume it ???
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I always consume 5F-UR-144 by inhalation, and there are two ways to do this - by smoking and by vaporization. I've tried oral doses up to 20mg, but it seems inactive orally.

What I usually do is place an eyeballed amount (2-5mg) of the drug on the inside of a homemade lightbulb vaporizer, in the same way you see people vape meth. I then heat it and when I see mist I inhale. It's actually easier to control the dose than it seems, you can tell the amount you need pretty easily once you do it a few times.

The alternative to this is to smoke a homemade blend I made in a pipe, laid at 10mg 5F-UR-144 per gram. With a milligram scale, this theoretically allows me to control the dose down to micrograms. It's not my preferred method, however. Like I said before, I noticed much more side effects when it's smoked, notably coughing, sore throat, and a slight headache. The chance of side effects increases the more I smoke. In addition, I doubt that the products of combusting 5F-UR-144 (a random organofluorine compound, I should add) are in any way safe.

hx_ said:
Big seizure risk, I've suffered many simple and complex focal seizures from AM2201 and AB-FUBINACA before I realised what was actually happening.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seizure_types
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Interesting. The muscle twitches and weakness I've experienced with 5F-UR-144 do sound a lot like myoclonal seizures. However, the fact I've experienced similar symptoms with other cannabinoids and psychedelics, such as JWH-018, the NBOMe series, and even cannabis, tells me that it might be something else. I'm not discounting the seizure risk, especially during overdoses, but the anxiety & hallucinations caused by all these drugs may be contributing to the effect. The twitches only seem to happen during panic reactions, oddly. They could be a symptom of anxiety, a side effect of the drug, or both.
 
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