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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

Tried FUB-PB22 today. I must say it's quite a nice 'noid. Feels like a supercharged version of AB-Fubinaca. More trippy, more sedating and more potent. Feels like I should have stockpiled this instead of AB-Fubinaca. However experience may differ after a few more times of smoking, we'll see.
 
Can anyone help me how much is a decent amount of Chem to put for strong and heavy users I made a blend with 7 grams of an pinaca it was nice pretty strong liked it for me but it's a little to strong for others what would be a decent range for a normal blend for heavy users there's heavy users like me but not a lot of Pol can handle it u know I don't wanna mess some one up any suggestions
 
Just got some crazy "gorilla" shit. 1st time I smoked any if this shit in awhile, shits got me crazy blasted like the first time I smoked weed lmfao!! Go USA!!! Lol
 
Anyone know of any syn can thats legal in mississippi? Dont know where to check the laws. Can some1 point in a direction?
 
I've seen a few references to AB-FUBINACA being dangerous/resulting in hospitalizations/etc.

Does anyone know if the same would hold true of AB-CHMINACA?

I'm not a heavy user of marijuana (almost never), and generally have no interest in synthetic cannabinoids. However, I'm considering getting something "just to have" alongside an order of something else--for the rare occasion that I desire a weed-like high. So far, this seems like one of the better candidates available at the moment, but I'm having trouble finding information on it.
 
It's just impossible to know what's what with the synths lately. I got some gorilla dro shit that didn't list ingredients, it's definitely one of the new strains though. The high isn't like the old jwh blends, it's more like really shitty acid. That gorilla shit is still sitting in my desk and I don't think I'll ever fuck with these "cannabanoids" ever again...
 
Cliffy78 said:
It's just impossible to know what's what with the synths lately. I got some gorilla dro shit that didn't list ingredients, it's definitely one of the new strains though. The high isn't like the old jwh blends, it's more like really shitty acid. That gorilla shit is still sitting in my desk and I don't think I'll ever fuck with these "cannabanoids" ever again...
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Thanks for this.

I would be buying a sample of a labeled pure chemical (at least ostensibly), not a smoking blend from a gas station. I have no interest in "winging it" or in taking unknown quantities of an unknown substance "by feel." However, if the synthnoids out today are like "shitty LSD" I can't see myself being too interested. I love psychedelics, but I've got plenty of tryptamines and phens lying around for just that purpose--and synthnoids seem to have a pretty crappy safety profile.

Are there any cannabinoids available that aren't full agonists/don't cause anxiety/plateau at some point? Maybe some that are more stoning/CBD-like? While, if I were to purchase a 'noid, I would start very very low, and measure precisely, I also can quite easily get myself too high off of conventional weed.
 
The amount of noids on the market right now is just crazy; so many to choose from. ^ I guess the closest to that kind of high you're after would be BB-22 (or is it 25?). Very mellow, sedating high if you don't go crazy with the dose, I usually use 4 grams of noid per ounce of herb, but it depends on the noid.

I've found an RC shop that are selling their noids in a liquid preparation with PG and VG; the idea is to use it as an e-liquid - very clever move IMO, though I reckon finding the right dose could be v tricky.
 
if a daily toker these noids will mess you up. They will also ruin real cannabis for you as they are far stronger than even good isolator though i have not tried wax yet. If you insist on trying these if i were you i would go for either 2-ne1 of plain akb-48 not the f version as these were the ones that didnt hit quite as hard and did feel a bit mellower. My ratio in my own blends were 2 grams chemical to 25 grams of damiana or marshmallow leaf whatever one i had available. What i should say is if you can get the real deal though i wouldnt touch these chemicals. I wish i had never got that sample when i ordered other chems. At first it was easy but it will catch up with you and i did find these really hard to get off but must say it has taken me months of sleepless nights and sweats no appetite and getting nothing out of some mid grade hash for a while there. It is getting better but i must say cannabis will never be the same again for me.
 
For me it's purely a budget thing; I can make an ounce of very strong synthetic weed for a fraction of the price of real weed, even crappy soapbar hash is way, way more expensive. Until around a month ago I was a regular smoker of noids - I'd use 2 G's of pb22 and 2 G's of 5fakb48 per 40 grams of marshmallow leaf, so very potent. What I didn't smoke I'd sell. Coming off it was no problem for me personally; I had to go to hospital for 3 weeks so had no choice in the matter, but then I've never been a morning to night smoker. Going cold turkey from 15 grams a day of phenibut on the other hand was pretty dicey.
 
Thanks guys, there's some good advice here.

Considering my limited interest in cannibinoids in the first place, I think I'll stay away from synthetics. At least for the time being.

The price and the ease of storage are attractive features to me as well, but when it comes down to it, those just aren't worth the possibility of real bodily harm and potential addiction.

A question: when you people report that synthetics build tolerance fast/are hard to come off of, is this simply because it's easier to take more than with real weed? Or is it something unique to the cannibinoids themselves? (Eg. Being a full agonist). I guess what I'm asking is this: if I consumed an amount of synthetic that would give me an equivalent high to a normal joint, would I build tolerance or face addiction/dependence more rapidly than if I were to smoke a joint?
 
InterestingFACT said:
I've seen a few references to AB-FUBINACA being dangerous/resulting in hospitalizations/etc.

Does anyone know if the same would hold true of AB-CHMINACA?

I'm not a heavy user of marijuana (almost never), and generally have no interest in synthetic cannabinoids. However, I'm considering getting something "just to have" alongside an order of something else--for the rare occasion that I desire a weed-like high. So far, this seems like one of the better candidates available at the moment, but I'm having trouble finding information on it.
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that's some killer shit, def would not suggest it for a first time user

THJ's would be better THJ-018, THJ-122, or Abpinaca are nice ones just to have...in the event of a total world economy collapse. %)
 
mnymkr said:
Anyone have any info on thj-018 or thj-2201? Any good?
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there are replies to this somewhere back there...20 or 30 pages if you have time! lol

5F-THJ-018 is quickly becoming one of my favs, it basically the terminated fluoro of THJ-2201.
 
InterestingFACT said:
Thanks guys, there's some good advice here.

Considering my limited interest in cannibinoids in the first place, I think I'll stay away from synthetics. At least for the time being.

The price and the ease of storage are attractive features to me as well, but when it comes down to it, those just aren't worth the possibility of real bodily harm and potential addiction.

A question: when you people report that synthetics build tolerance fast/are hard to come off of, is this simply because it's easier to take more than with real weed? Or is it something unique to the cannibinoids themselves? (Eg. Being a full agonist). I guess what I'm asking is this: if I consumed an amount of synthetic that would give me an equivalent high to a normal joint, would I build tolerance or face addiction/dependence more rapidly than if I were to smoke a joint?
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From my own experience your tolerance shoots up, good hydro becomes worthless unless you just like the smell(I do). I don't get nearly the buzz I used to get off real weed. The price is a huge factor but it's worth the extra money for the real deal. With the synths I've tried I can't smoke a whole j without adverse reactions and it's unpredictable. With real weed you could smoke til end of time and u pretty much know what to expect. I never had a problem functioning with real weed, but I wouldn't drive or I wouldn't want to be around sober people on the synths, shits like futurecrack, short intense crazy feeling whereas regular weed keeps u on a even level. Hard to explain really. If u don't have to worry about drug tests or anything then stick with real weed.
 
if you want to dance you will have to pay the fiddler as my old man used to say but smoking these poisons you will end up a walking ticking timebomb heart liver kidneys lungs thats if a seizure doesnt do it they will get horribly damaged.I reckon breaking the law by sticking with the weed is still safer even if you went to prison which highly unlikely if good past character and no previous either
 
part of the reason old john huffman synthesized the JWH series was to study their effects at DNA alkylating agents. DNA alkylating agents are chemicals that alter DNA. many DNA alkylating agents are used in chemotherapy to treat cancer -- however, many other DNA alkylating agents actually CAUSE cancer. its just a matter of time imo until one of these new synth 'noids ends up giving everyone that smokes it cancer...
 
zombywoof said:
if you want to dance you will have to pay the fiddler as my old man used to say but smoking these poisons you will end up a walking ticking timebomb heart liver kidneys lungs thats if a seizure doesnt do it they will get horribly damaged.I reckon breaking the law by sticking with the weed is still safer even if you went to prison which highly unlikely if good past character and no previous either
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I'm sorry to hear that, been a responsible user for over 5 years now and few if anything diverse to report as of yet (besides one or two mislabeled product problems)

JWH-133 reverses Alzheimer's disease in some studies, many others have known beneficial medical purposes, so I'm not sure you are fully current on latest clinical data,

perhaps you are getting your info from the government propaganda, what can I say, don't beleive everything you read, you should have read what they trumped up on MJ to make it illegal...Refer Madness anyone?

that being said everything on earth has the potential to be abused, noids certainly are no exception, but those reports do not represent the whole.

big zappa fan btw, I hear MJ can cause prostate cancer, that was a shame if he was not aware of the dangers.


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thenightwatch said:
part of the reason old john huffman synthesized the JWH series was to study their effects at DNA alkylating agents. DNA alkylating agents are chemicals that alter DNA. many DNA alkylating agents are used in chemotherapy to treat cancer -- however, many other DNA alkylating agents actually CAUSE cancer. its just a matter of time imo until one of these new synth 'noids ends up giving everyone that smokes it cancer...
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def a good point NW,

there are other ways of testing and administrating medications tho, besides smoking, in vitro, oral etc.

it would be interesting to note if their are any studies confirming DNA alkylating agents in oral use and which ones specifically, I'm familiar with a few we have discussed some of them in this thread.

obviously anything foreign besides water in the lungs can cause cancer, the 400 some chems in commercial tobacco including ammonia demonstrate that quite clearly over decades of statistics.

that being said, the ones with known alkylating agents can easily be avoided if you know them by name, however the greater danger in the remaining ones lies in the impurities, that is a direct result of the US Federal Governments refusal to regulate and form purity standards in distribution from day 1.
 
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