Phenethylamines [25X-NBOMe Subthread] Comparisons & General Discussion

[zn13bt]

Woul You think that I may try to post the complete results of my investigations direct in a post (not in an attachement, wich I not allowed to use as a greenlighter)?

Yes, if you put your text directly in the post, that would be the easiest for us to read.

 

[Thomas Davie]

And what is this substitution: "DEPA"?

ebola

Diethyl propanamide.....a diethyl amide moiety.

Tom

 

[Hans Meyer]

Quote Originally Posted by Hans Meyer View Post
Would You think that I may try to post the complete results of my investigations direct in a post (not in an attachement, wich I not allowed to use as a greenlighter)?

zn13bt wrote: Yes, if you put your text directly in the post, that would be the easiest for us to read.

I tried to transfer all into Open Office (ods and odt). The text directly in the post wouldn´t work, it is unreadable. It would be more easy to get the status of bluelighter, than I can use attachements.

 

[Hans Meyer]

perpetuaklawn wrote: 28-04-2014 22:23
345-NDEPA sounds really interesting. Could this be the potent, short lived Mescaline variant we've all been dreaming of?
I like the sounds of "Funny talks"! Hans: did you find this one to be interesting and worthy of further exploration?
I wrote in v2.0: "Realy terrible taste like burnt rubber. Morale high; funny talks; easily find formulations; sociable; visual enhanced clarity; recreated; more or less power compared to Mescaline." Dose was 76 mg, duration 4h or longer (not easy to determine, creeping end, think much longer at higher doses). Nice quality! Should be tested at higher doses, also sublingual.

 

[Qofdeath3000]

Yesterday I took half a blotter of 25l nbome. I had no adverse reactions during the trip. However, today I felt a slight pain in the middle of my chest which lasted an hour or two. It is not deep chest pain but rather on the surface. I also have a scar on that place from a car accident, which sometimes hurts, so maybe it could be that. Maybe the scar reacts to vasoconstriction? I feel fine, I'm not sick or anything, it's just that I'm worried about this. Could this be related to my heart? Am I in danger? And one more thing, is it usual for this substance to irritate your mucous membrane and gums and to cause chemical burns because I also experienced that. Anyone had a similar experience?

Is the 25i all you took? As in any prescription meds as well as recreational. Do you have high blood pressure naturally at all? Any history of amphetimine use? Are you fat and out of shape? I mean, there's a lot to consider really before starting to flip out about your heart. Really, it just sounds more like general muscular tension to me. I'm more familiar with the nboh variants, but I've tried the nbome of this a few times too, and it will occasionally leave me with odd little cramps in my arms and legs and pecs, but I also use these drugs when im working out because they make that whole process less of a chore and more of a continuous orgasm lol. I always found that phens give me little sharp pains if im too physically active, or some tightness, but not enough to concern me too greatly.

I wouldn't worry about that so much.

As to the chemical burns, no, can't say that's ever really happened to me, but my skin is highly resistant to irritation anyways, perhaps yours is just more sensitive. Actually, now that I think about it, I remember my drummer complaining the day after his 2nd or 3rd time that it felt like he has a sore on his cheek where the blotter was, so perhaps that's not that uncommon after all...

Anyways, I love this class of chemicals. C and B kinda sucked for me, but I've never met a c or b phen that dont either underwhelm (c) or react badly with my nerve damage and make everything hurt worse (b). I prefer the 25i, and luckily its the easiest to find, tho I found the D to be the most mentally profound out of them all, even tho most folks seek to indicate that about I.

Other little notes and comments:

I far prefer the nboh to the nbome or nbf variants. Seems like less body load and more euphoric, and possibly safer due to the slightly decreased potency.

after a very careful experiment that im in the final month of, I'd have to say that 25i nboh makes a better nootropic than anything my doctor can prescribe. Taken at threshold dosages (less than 500ug, likely around 2-300, give or take due to expected inaccuracies with scales and dosage distribution in general), i can dose every other day and not feel like a giant pile of shit due to my physical condition and feelings of not having accomplished enough yet. I get incredible pain relief and such a calm and happy positive mood, and it lasts all day and well into the next. At these small dosages i find it easy to still trip should i desire that action. I've experienced no ill health effects, my bp doesn't budge till past 500ug, and things are good. Perhaps this isn't the ideal psychotherapeutic substance, but it certainly provides a much greater level of relief from extreme pain and depression than say Lyrica, all without leaving me feeling stunned and dumb.

Boy i hope i don't get the brain cancer tho... You never know with these largely untested substances....

 

[perpetualdawn]

Hans Meyer: I would suggest you start a new thread with a title something like:

"Self experiments with a new series of Nxxx Phenethylamine compounds"

The first post should be your introductory text (motivations, etc), and then following posts should be 1 post, for each of the compounds you discovered and tested. Keep each compound on it's own post. Put the photo of the molecule in each post, and keep the format consistent for easy reading.

It will be very good to get the information out on all of your hard work! I think a format like I'm suggesting will really help pass your information along. If this seems like too much work, maybe someone can help out with this.

Below is a suggested format for your posts:

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TMA2-NDEPA or 245-NDEPA

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N,N-diethyl-3-[[1-methyl-2-(2,4,5-
trimethoxyphenyl)ethyl]amino]propanamide

Trial 1:
Salt: Sulfate
Dose of free base [nMol/kg]; (M=352 g/Mol): 29
Dose [mg] of free base related to a 75 kg body: 0.77mg
Route of Administration: o.e.s.
Duration: n/a
Notes: no significant effects

Trial 2:
Salt: Sulfate
Dose of free base [nMol/kg]; (M=352 g/Mol): 58
Dose [mg] of free base related to a 75 kg body: 1.53mg
Route of Administration: o.e.s.
Duration: n/a
Notes: no significant effects

Trial 3:
Salt: Sulfate
Dose of free base [nMol/kg]; (M=352 g/Mol): 69
Dose [mg] of free base related to a 75 kg body: 1.82mg
Route of Administration: s.l. then o.e.s
Duration: ~4h
Notes: low vague effects; tinnitus increased; positive

Trial 4:
Salt: Sulfate
Dose of free base [nMol/kg]; (M=352 g/Mol): 99
Dose [mg] of free base related to a 75 kg body: 1.82mg
Route of Administration: s.l. then o.e.s
Duration: 5 to 9h
Notes: tastes terrible; fast coming of a vague effect; weak but positive; other quality than TMA-2; gently / kindly; partly euphoric; sociable; recreated; more or less than TMA2.

Trial 5:
Salt: Hydrogentartrate
Dose of free base [nMol/kg]; (M=352 g/Mol): 137
Dose [mg] of free base related to a 75 kg body: 3.62mg
Route of Administration: s.l.~10'; then o.e.s
Duration: ~6 to ? h
Notes: low effects; distraction; weak-kneed; allover unpleasant, may be because of getting stuck in coming up. Psychode- lic yes - but unpleasant like TMA-2 itself (to me!)at higher doses; recreate; More power than TMA2.

 

[pupnik]

that pain is just the old trauma from your accident and some anxiety about maybe it being more.
you are ok
did you like your 25i
I took some on my way walking home from work today.
the walk is an hour.
I meant to take 1/4 tab, but while walking I felt 2 pieces in my mouth so I may have taken half.
things are sparkly now 1.5 hours later.

 

[Hans Meyer]

http://pantorise.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1049&start=15

- The Link redirects You to a new version v2.0.1 of tables of selfexperiments with new RC, with only very little corrections to v2.0.

- And the original first paper on PEA-NBX, published on Sept.25, 2006, by M.R.Braden, J.C.Parrish, J.C.Naylor, D.E.Nichols, You may find under "Molecular interaction of serotonin 5-HT2A receptor...". I may submit the whole text of "The Thesis by Michael Robert Braden": TOWARDS A BIOPHYSICAL UNDERSTANDING OF HALLUCINOGEN ACTION (176 p., 2.5MB) to Your E-mail address in case of interest. So long, Hans Meyer ([email protected])

 

[Hans Meyer]

Hans Meyer: I would suggest you start a new thread with a title something like:

"Self experiments with a new series of Nxxx Phenethylamine compounds"

The first post should be your introductory text (motivations, etc), and then following posts should be 1 post, for each of the compounds you discovered and tested. Keep each compound on it's own post. Put the photo of the molecule in each post, and keep the format consistent for easy reading.

It will be very good to get the information out on all of your hard work! I think a format like I'm suggesting will really help pass your information along. If this seems like too much work, maybe someone can help out with this.

Below is a suggested format for your posts:

My answer: Thanks for this detailed advice. I will try do so. But one question: how to put the picture into the text? I will try to construct a doc- or odt-file with imbedded picture, and post it, may be that works.

 

[MrPorter]

upload it on some site, i think i normally use imgur.com or something and then put it in [ img ] [/ img ] but without the spaces, i believe there's a button on advanced posting which will use them if you're not sure.

 

[MBRC]

ive been testing 2cs lately and the doses r so hit or miss i might just try one my nbomes bc they seem more hit, rather than hit or miss. assuming you dose right. a year ago i would have said no thanks ill stick with my 2cs but after a few boring nights w/ minimal trippin bc of underdosing 2cs or tripping TOO hard bc of overdosing them. i think i may try some of my nbomes i collected. hell i have at least 750mg of each lol and we just want the PEAs for fun visuals and trypts for more serious stuff...so i think they would b perfect for that. ive taken 25i once @ 900ug and 25 b and c @ 500ug they were fun, not full on trips except the 25i, which felt JUST like 2ci w/o the throwing up and tremors, which is y i always disliked 2ci.

So im thinking about trying 25b in a week or so. i have 25e g i b c to pick from.. i would like to try 25e more but im told its not that great. and i can really only find reports of it, all r snorted barely any buccal. i refuse to snort or smoke PEAs... I tried 25b @ 500ug it wasnt much but i could def tell @ 1000ug its be crazy. i fell in love with 2cb all over again. so i hope like with 25i , that 25b is similar to 2cb as far as the euphoria. i know generally nbomes arent like the 2cs from what ive read. im thinking 900ug for the 25b. anyone have opinions on 25b or 25e ? Im curious about 25c also. ive read its prob the most enjoyable one but 25b is ths most visual/euphoric..

Anyone ever tried 25g ? i aquired a some 750ug blotts a while ago. never tried it bc i was always busy + i read it was pretty tame..

 

[zn13bt]

In general the halogenated NBOMes (25C/B/I) seem to be more euphoric than the alkylated ones (25D and E). (25P and 25iP are also alkyls but there are practically no reports of those)
25D and E can produce a lot of stimulation but it doesn't automatically get directed in a positive direction, you have to put more work into the trip to keep it from going astray.

 

[MBRC]

Ok thanks man. I had no idea 25e and d were diff. Than the usual nbomes. So more stimulating huh ? No more stimulating than say doc ? Thats described as stimulating but isnt that really for me. Ill think ill stick with 25b for my 2nd real.nbome trip.

I def wana try my 25e . I think that may be my next nbome trip after 25b.

So do u find 25e visual ? As visual as 2ce? 2ce gives me this nuetral energy that can feel wierd at time, sounds like 25e has that same quality.

 

[SWIMS cousin]

Ive been doing nbomes for quite awhile now most recently tried 25d nbome for the first time. Everything went good until the comedown. I was watching netflix laying in bed and a fierce sharp pain hit me on the left side of the chest and my vision went black for a second. A dull ache followed mostly all on the left side of my chest but also in the middle and occassionally the right. I should probably mention i occasionally felt a bubbling sensation. When i woke up the next day i felt fine its been a couple days now and every once in awhile i get a "pain"(not really sure if thats the right word, it hurts but mostly feels weird) in my chest. This hasnt affected my day plans at all i still regularly lift and take preworkout with no negative sideeffects..anybody else experience something like this? Any advice besides seeing a doctor?(ill get there eventually) what could of happened? I love the nbome series but the magic is gone for me, im going to stick to some traditionally safer chems from now on.

 

[Blue_Phlame]

The onset and duration you experienced is consistent with LSD. I'd try dosing orally rather than sublingually, as nbome and other nbxxx series compounds are not very active orally.

Please clarify, I've heard the opposite is true with *nbome compounds. i.e their breakdown is faster in the stomach and should be absorbed sublingually or via buccal route for their effects to be optimal.

 

[SWIMS cousin]

Blue, im assuming the post you quoted from is somewhere lost in here and i cant find it lol. But speaking from experience nbomes are not active orally. Perhaps ebola was suggesting swallowing it as a way of identification? Though the taste would be a dead giveaway that its not lsd..again couldnt find the op you quoted so I might just be speaking out of turn?

 

[Blue_Phlame]

If you're not using mobile-view, hit the little fast forward box next to ebola's handle and it'll take you to the original post.

 

[SWIMS cousin]

Got it. Thanks? yeah im pretty positive he meant by swallowing it and still having effects rule out nbomes and the like. When i swallowed 25i my first time i sorta felt a twisted aderall kind of feel. I like thowing blotters under my top lip if the dose is low enough where im taking 2 blotters ill put one under each lip but thats just my prefrence.

 

[Solipsis]

The weird thing is that compounds like 25I have been tested experimentally and found to have very low oral activity [to the point of possibly not being significant], but at the same time various people have tried taking NBOMe's orally themselves to check it out and some did find effect.

So not sure what's going on here and whether this is best explained by people messing up and some of it still being absorbed parenterally somehow, or some people's first pass metabolic enzymes failing (unlikely?) or what... it's a bit of a mystery.

I'd be happy to be able to say that NBOMe's aren't ever active orally... but for the time being there is discrepancy and nuance there, I don't think it's very wise to just brush it off without a good explanation or at least a few more experiments to confirm.

 

[Xorkoth]

Please do not post the same thing in 4 different threads. I've removed the other posts. If someone will see it it one they'll see it in the others. I've removed the others and kept this one.

I don't know how to answer your question, but hopefully someone else will. Welcome to Bluelight.