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Lysergamides The Big & Dandy LSZ Thread

I usually need 3 or 4 days for LSZ to work again but I only use half blotters, and probably would have used half the AMT you had too.
oh well
you probably need a full week or more for your dose to dissipate and let a good redosing happen
 
I remember reading somewhere along the way that LSZ is possibly more active when taken orally (swallowed) than bucally (gummed). I've always taken LSD bucally, because I assumed it was more efficient that way, but wondering if that was all a myth, and if the reverse might even be true for LSZ? Thoughts?
 
I've read that for both LSZ and AL-LAD, never tested it since I always swallow them immediately.
 
Realistically or in an ideal world where someone is prepared to fund whichever crazy experiment I think up of?

First is probably a wash, maybe you could try eating a huge meal and then a tab to see if the effects take longer to begin and/or are longer but less intense. Repeat many times with many people.

Second the same + measure the blood level of each of the substances every 15 min.
 
I would always recommend chewing and then swallowing within 30s to rule out 25X-NBOMe. Ergoloids have a very high oral bioavailability so buccal administration is totally unnecessary, if it is more effective.
 
I swallowed a blotter tab of this whole yesterday, no chewing. I wish I had chewed it a bit first cause the blotter got stuck in my throat on the way down, took about 15 minutes of swallowing to get it to go all the way down, a bit uncomfortable :|

I'd concur that LSZ is pretty damn close to LSD. I feel like it's slightly different, but I can't say how, and I think I'd have to do it a few more times before I'd be able to put my finger on what's different about it. I wouldn't be able to tell the difference in a blind test. Dropped 150ug at 4:30pm, by 2am was still a bit too wide awake to sleep, drifted off by about 2:30am, so it seems about a 10hr commitment for me. Woke up in the middle of the night feeling a little bit trippy still. Next day, feeling focused and afterglow effects. I like it.
 
My friend and I plan to take 375ug (2.5 tabs) of LSZ each next week. We're also going to smoke 5F-AKB-48 during the trip, my favourite 3rd gen synthnoid. In my experience, smoking synthnoids/weed alleviates the side effects of any psychoactive drug that I take, so I'm hoping that nausea and tension will not be a problem for us. I shall report back the experience eventually.

I should mention that the last drug I took was a medium dose of bk-2c-b, over a month ago, and before that it'd been many months of not tripping. So I expect my tolerance to be pretty low. Also, I haven't smoked synthnoids for over a month, but this was after a very heavy binge, so I'm expecting mild to moderate tolerance to them.
 
You shouldn't experience any significant tolerance. Also I think smoking cannabinoids on it is a good idea, however I haven't really heard of people complaining about nausea from LSZ... people say it's very similar to LSD, to the extent that it would be hard to tell apart in a double blind test.
 
I'm very much looking forward to this. I've been eagerly awaiting a legal psychedelic that one could possibly dose as high as one could dose with LSD and be relatively unharmed. I have taken 1500ug (1.5mg) of LSD before and had an immense trip, and only slight body tension during the come up which turned into an ecstatic body high, that felt like my skin was conducting lightning.

Of course, I'm going to work my way up and not dose anywhere near that high straight away. I'm under the impression that AL-LAD is more "benign" than LSZ, in this sense that I am looking for. Has anyone tried both at doses of 300ug+?
 
David the Chansey said:
I'm very much looking forward to this. I've been eagerly awaiting a legal psychedelic that one could possibly dose as high as one could dose with LSD and be relatively unharmed. I have taken 1500ug (1.5mg) of LSD before and had an immense trip, and only slight body tension during the come up which turned into an ecstatic body high, that felt like my skin was conducting lightning.

Of course, I'm going to work my way up and not dose anywhere near that high straight away. I'm under the impression that AL-LAD is more "benign" than LSZ, in this sense that I am looking for. Has anyone tried both at doses of 300ug+?
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It would indeed be lovely to have a legal lysergamide that makes for good fuel for high-powered high-dose trips to the psych ward^W^W^W^W, but I fear that LSZ may not be It.

450ug was too much for me in terms of bodyload. I had a queasy feeling in just about every part of my body I cared to focus my attention on. I'm pretty sure I could have found something wrong with my toes had I wanted to. There was also nausea - to put it in scientific terms, I don't often find myself hunched over the toilet, dry heaving in the hope that I can expel the cause of my stomach upset, but that's exactly what I did that day, and the wicked LSZ wouldn't even let me have that small victory, opting instead to keep me in the "feeling sick" mode for a couple more hours.

Add on top of that a headache and an overall feeling of muscle stiffness in the entire body, and it's not something I'd care to go through again. Which is a shame, because LSZ is an intriguing drug.

For what it's worth, I felt fine on 300ug. It was in fact very nice.

I concur that AL-LAD is more benign, and might just be the one for adventures north of a milligram.

By the way - if you google a little bit, you may come across some high-dose LSZ reports, including a 1mg LSZ trip report, which did not go very well for the reporting fella. I'd paste the link here, except I'm not sure if linking to the infamous D.F. website is considered kosher on Bluelight. Just google for "Next I threw up into the bin next to me, the world was now a spiraling coloured mess every time i opened my eyes." :D
 
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Oh dear! It's the bodyload that makes me feel that the NBOMe's would be dangerous (B, C, D and I - NBOMe) past a few mgs. 3mg of 25D was too uncomfortable for me.

I'll still give this a go, of course, and try AL-LAD some time in the future.

I think that when you genuinely can't distinguish OEVs to CEVs is when the trip is really something special. I've only experienced with LSD so far! Yet to try DMT though...
 
Got my hands on a 150ug blotter of this and will be trying it some time soon. I'll report back when I do.

I have a rather prying question though - how comfortable does ones body feel on LSZ? On 2C-X for example I do not feel comfortable just sitting or laying down usually, and have to be doing things, on 2C-B its hit or miss, but on LSD itself I feel so comfortable whatever position I'm in that I can just lay in bed staring at the ceiling and feel amazing enjoying the CEVs.

I'd kinda like to do just that with LSZ and go for an introspective trip but I'm concerned as some mentioned nausea/body-load.
 
Jesusgreen said:
Got my hands on a 150ug blotter of this and will be trying it some time soon. I'll report back when I do.

I have a rather prying question though - how comfortable does ones body feel on LSZ? On 2C-X for example I do not feel comfortable just sitting or laying down usually, and have to be doing things, on 2C-B its hit or miss, but on LSD itself I feel so comfortable whatever position I'm in that I can just lay in bed staring at the ceiling and feel amazing enjoying the CEVs.

I'd kinda like to do just that with LSZ and go for an introspective trip but I'm concerned as some mentioned nausea/body-load.
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After reading this thread, I'm under the impression that 150ug is unlikely to make you uncomfortable. I can't comment from experience, though.

Good to talk to you again Jesusgreen!
 
I took a 150mcg blotter of this the other day. I had taken a blotter of 25c nboh about 3 days before, but I had a few of these and I was very curious about tolerance, and about the drug in general.

To sum up a long and strange trip report, I either didn't experience any real cross tolerance, or lsz is some powerful stuff. It took about 2 hours to do anything really interesting, a bit sedating at first, but once it hit me, it was like my first lsd trip all over again. This stuff is like the creeper weed of LSD, you start thinking you just got a bunch of crap then suddenly, you're toast lol.

The sky grew closer to me, and took on a red/golden hue. Everything was beautiful. I was fully separated mentally from my body. I had an incredible body buzz going. Nearly lost my ego. It kept getting stronger over the course of the next 4 hours too. By the end of it minutes were passing by so slowly it was like I could shovel the entire backyard, workout, have a smoke, eat, and poop and 2 minutes would pass. Crazy shit. The peak was very very much like acid. No real negative effects to report other than a general sedated feeling that I generally dont get from acid. 10/10 will buy again. In quantity.
 
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