• MDMA &
    Empathogenic
    Drugs

    Welcome Guest!

The Main 5-MAPB Thread

Status
Not open for further replies.
Hello BL community, this is our first post. The alien/humanoid life-form Spuqi is a very experienced research chemist; we have a question concerning a combo. Hypothetically, 40mg 6-MAPB + 40mg 5-MAPB + 40mg Methylone + 60mg bk-2-CB is to be tested, then 3 weeks later, 150mcg LSZ + 40mg 6-MAPB + 40mg 5-MAPB + 40mg Methylone. Does anyone one have recommendations or cautions concerning these quantities, ratios, and timings of administration? Any known dangerous reactions or synergies at these doses (besides the obvious rough comedown)? Any anecdotal evidence or actual experiential advice would be much appreciated. Maximum altitude flight inward anticipated. Thank you in advance.
 
1. Don't try to pretend being an alien.
2. Dose all at once and resist redosing.
3. Wait at least a month between sessions.
 
I went through the thread and only found two references to 5-MAPB's effect on touch. One person said its tactile effects were amazing and the other said the tactile effects were completely non-existent, so I'd like to hear some more experiences. I'd also appreciate any comparisons of tactile enhancement vs other *APB's or MDMA.
 
^ What evidence makes you come to that conclusion? Look at all the threads of people fucking themselves over on MDMA yet the demand is still strong. Although you may be correct NOBODY knows the long-term affects of these next generation monoamine releasers, for all we know they could be even less neurotoxic than MDMA, 5-apb sure as hell felt less toxic to me (not that this is any indication on it's true neurotoxicity).
 
MDA/MDMA a more harsh come down than 5-mapb. Same for my friends. I wouldnt neglect to at least give this one a try based on what I feel are overstated post dose sides. Just my opinion having tried both recently. In fact for social situations I prefer 5-mapb as its easier to hide.
 
>I have supervised 30 people taking this drug now, mixed with 2-FMA and (4-HO-MET or 5-MeO-MiPT) and sometimes 2C-B. The ratio is 100:25:0.7 5-MAPB:2-FMA:5MeO-MiPT.
for those that have tried it with both 4-ho-met and 5-meo-mipt, which did you prefer and why?
 
Okay. So has anyone experienced bad after-effects (let's say in excess of the hangover from an equivalent dose of MDMA) from sensible dosing (let's say an attack dose of 100 mg and a 50 mg redose or less)? Are there enough sensible users for us to gather a sufficient body of data? 8(

(I guess I asked this earlier, and somewhat recently...)

350mg all at once would not be safe but spread out over a party night (6-12 hours) seems fine.
Click to expand...

Duuude...if I were to do this with MDMA, I would feel like hell the next day, no doubt. This is nearly twice the most I've taken in a session.

40mg 6-MAPB + 40mg 5-MAPB + 40mg Methylone + 60mg bk-2-CB is to be tested, then 3 weeks later, 150mcg LSZ + 40mg 6-MAPB + 40mg 5-MAPB + 40mg Methylone. Does anyone one have recommendations or cautions concerning these quantities, ratios, and timings of administration?
Click to expand...

Yes: 4 drug combos are unnecessarily complex and likely to lead to unexpected synergistic effects. I'd overall dose a bit lower (remember that psychedelics and entactogens appear to mutually potentiate), but I don't have any acquired tolerance to entactogens. The pharmacology of bk-2cb is unknown, so who knows what the synergistic stimulation might be like.

The ratio is 100:25:0.7 5-MAPB:2-FMA:5MeO-MiPT.
Click to expand...

5meomipt acts primarily as a reuptake inhbitor at SERT and NET, IIRC, so it probably won't play too well with entactogens.

That's what I thought too, subjectively. Are [6pb's] releasing values much lower than MDA then?
Click to expand...

Generalizing from 6-apdb, dramatically so. The study claiming a lack of sertonergic activity showed somewhat reduced DA release compared to MDA.

ebola
 
Last edited:
Re: effects on touch - hugging felt nice but sex I couldn't handle. I was a little drunk too and tired though
 
Commander Sela at your service!

I'm feeling distinctly depersonalized right now. Like seeing things in my own apartment that have always been there and being afraid of them. My last dose of 5-MAPB was over a month ago. It can't be related, can it?
 
I love this chem lol, touch (and all my senses) are serioualy enhanced. I honestly like it more than mdma for certain activities. If my girl and I are just hanging out its much better than mdma imo.
Its kinda touchy tho, eating food to soon before dropping seriously delays effects, which happens w most things but this is extra bad. I prefer a light , light meal hours before, and a great big glass of water to get it circulating. All in all tho its a great compound. I never liked m1 or any cathinones, now all i do on occassion is just mdma and apb's or mapb ...cant beat that feeling :)
 
Hi, Transform, regarding the combo you posted on page 18, I have some questions:

I'm planning a 5-mapb + 4-ho-met flip and want to do it as safely as possible for such an untested combo. The goal is mainly to enhance psychedelic effects.

>The ratio is 100:25:0.7 5-MAPB:2-FMA:5MeO-MiPT.
What ratio would you use for 4-ho-met instead of 5-meo-mipt

>xIPT should not be combined with entactogens. I believe it is a triple reuptake inhibitor while also having speculation around it's MAOi activity.
(source http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/714934-benzofuran-flips?p=12199189&viewfull=1#post12199189 )
What is your take on this?

Is the 2-fma necessary if the goal is more towards enhancing psychedelic effects and not partying/trying to mimic mdma?
 
What ratio would you use for 4-ho-met instead of 5-meo-mipt
Click to expand...
4-HO-MET is a little less potent. I would use perhaps 100:25:1

I actually have in my head that a dose is 20mg but wiki lists 15mg as a high “common” dose (I’ve not tried it). If it is 20, then I would go for 100:25:1.4.

[M]iPT should not be combined with entactogens. I believe it is a triple reuptake inhibitor while also having speculation around it's MAOi activity
Click to expand...
I definitely do not think MiPT has meaningful MAOI activity. I think it is possible that there is some reuptake inhibition but I have not had any problems using it in combinations. I would prefer to use another tryptamine if I had one, to rule this uncertainty out.

I had the following mixture on friday
5-MeO-MiPT 5.2 mg
5-APB 35.0 mg (not 5-MAPB but relevant due to similar properties)
2-FMA 23.8 mg
2C-B nasally as desired (15mg over 6h)

The aim was to have a light roll (no comedown wanted) with intensity provided by the psychedelics. I wanted to have ketamine too, for adding intensity, but it got confiscated.
Overall it was very successful; there were some pretty solid effects, not overly intense (I prefer lower intensity experiences), and no comedown. 2C-B brought ample visuals.

Is the 2-fma necessary if the goal is more towards enhancing psychedelic effects and not partying/trying to mimic mdma?
Click to expand...
I think it is, because it balances the monoamine release. This allows for a lower dose of 5-MAPB for the same intensity, increasing the ratio of effects to side-effects. I have had MDAI (a highly selective serotonin releaser) with psychedelics before (25I, 2C-B) and generally I did not enjoy it. I found it made the experience darker. For this reason I would aim for a low dose of empathogen with balanced release.
 
Last edited:
Thanks.

> I actually have in my head that a dose is 20mg but wiki lists 15mg as a high “common” dose (I’ve not tried it). If it is 20, then I would go for 100:25:1.4.
I was thinking much higher than that, 20 mg or more. I want the crazy visuals that come with that. Not just 5-HTA1 activation to make it more MDMA like.

Thanks for the info on 5-meo-mipt.

The combo you did sounds awesome, makes me wish I had some 2c-b lying around :)

Regarding the 2-FMA... I've had 5-mapb with lsz and no stim and enjoyed it... idk, low dose maybe?
 
black53 said:
Regarding the 2-FMA... I've had 5-mapb with lsz and no stim and enjoyed it... idk, low dose maybe?
Click to expand...


YMMV! 5-MAPB is fairly dopaminergic already so I suppose you don't need it. I like the way stims focus me so I would include it.
 
Eh I planned on doing a low dose of it... 15mg or so, but by accident grabbed 30mg. So now I have 100mg 5-MAPB, 30mg 2-FMA, 25mg 4-ho-met. And some lsz I don't intent to eat (likely). Would have used more 4-ho-met if I had more benzos just in case, but this way I'd rather not risk it.
 
Hi, just to let people know, i did the 5-mapb (100mg), 2-fma (30mg) 4-ho-met (25mg) flip and while not bad I think the 4-ho-met should be at least at 40-50mg. Or I should have eaten the lsz.
Will write a report tomorrow!
 
40-50mg 4-HO-MET sounds like a massively uncomfortable dose for someone who has no psychedelic tolerance and pure material. Especially in the context of that combo.
 
I didn't mean for it to sound like dosing advice people should follow (hell, a friend wanted to try it as her firs psy and I suggested 10mg.... she loved it). But I've been thinking about why I always want these huge 4-ho-met doses. Then I remembered reading this - https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=92021 (tl;dr version, scientific research uses doses in mg/kg, 0.45mg/kg is reported as a full psy experience, dude tried the same with a few friends and came to the same conclusions)
Well 40-50mg 4-ho-met would put me at around 0.45mg/kg.

Regarding the combo, SRAs work as super anti-bad trip drugs for me and make them almost impossible. Kinda like benzos, but instead of risking dulling the experience it enhances it.

I don't find 2-fma anxiogenic, especially not at that dose and just in case I had some benzos with me (always have them when tripping, just to be sure, don't remember the last time I actually needed/wanted to take them).
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top