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Quitting opiates, taper or cold turkey?

Nsam, you are righton with the fight, fight, fight mantra!! As this is exactly what this is, a constant fight.

I think I've picked the worst time possible to detox too, constant crappy wintery weather, non stop fucking wind, rain and cold, horribly bleak skies, not a hint of sunshine and can't even get out for a nice walk. I swear this is like cabin fever. This alone would be a struggle for most people, let alone opiate detox on top!!!!

Can anyone suggest a tapering schedule now for getting off this damn liquid for once and for all?!

I currently take fast release oral morphine/4 hourly - am down to 30 ml every four hours, but really, really struggling to reduce below this. I've now been off the slow release morphine pills for over two weeks!! So, halfway there but still so long to go!!

Please, throw suggestions out there on how to taper this junk so I can just get a damn day clean and start from there!!!
 
WantToBeReborn said:
Thanks everyone, that really helps me to see a light at the end of this shitty tunnel!!!

Do you guys think it is possible for even people with say ten, fifteen + years of opiate addiction under their belt to actually return to proper receptor function? I have a buddy that's been also on medical opiates but has been on a long, long time and is also trying to quit, but I was wondering, can the brain still recover?

I think for me, the biggest damage is on my motivation, just not wanting to to do anything but lie around, loss of the work/reward circuitry, huge loss of energy and inability to feel proper happiness - will these things improve when I get clean?
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The brain is a very resilient thing, but yes there does come a point where certain damage can not be recovered. A good amount of it always can, and no matter how long you've been using, your brain sober and addicted will be very different. So, you will always get a lot better as far as brain health and recovery if you stop using. But yes, certain damage is irreversible.
 
Hey Scagnattie, thanks for the reply, your insight is always appreciated.

I suspected that there does come a point, like with my buddy, where some stuff may be done now and too much water under the bridge, but hopefully some damage limitation can still be achieved in his case. It seems to be a common myth, especially with medical opiates that long term use is entirely harmless as that isn't the case with the pain med people I know. This has been a big part of my own desire to get stopped now while things still have a shot at being turned around. Managing pain really sucks though once addiction becomes an issue and these drugs have to be stopped.

It feels like I've been tapering forever now!
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
The brain is a very resilient thing, but yes there does come a point where certain damage can not be recovered. A good amount of it always can, and no matter how long you've been using, your brain sober and addicted will be very different. So, you will always get a lot better as far as brain health and recovery if you stop using. But yes, certain damage is irreversible.
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I never knew that. Is that why people can easily get re-addicted.
 
I'm really sorry that things are so rough right now. I don't have experience with it myself so I can't offer any hope that comes from direct experience but I can tell you that many, many members have reached the other side of this level of intensity. I saw your post above about the weather and I agree that it must lay a whole extra level of misery over what your mind and body are going through.

I'm sorry that my response can't be more helpful but I just wanted to reach out and say that I'm sending you strength and calm. I know that you are on the right path. It is a terrible struggle right now but this will pass. Keep going, taking it one small chunk of time at a time. If you find yourself having thoughts of giving up, talk back to yourself. This is a struggle for control of your life. It is worth any hardship. Keep telling yourself that and hang in there.(((<3)))
 
Thank you. I'm down below 2 ml of liquid morphine every four hours now, but really, really struggling with the withdrawals. It is that bad that I literally cannot go downstairs to get a drink without my heart pounding. I've literally been laying around half crippled with pain, counting the minutes until the next dose. So many places hurt in my body that don't usually hurt. I don't recall it being this bad before.
 
herbavore said:
I'm really sorry that things are so rough right now. I don't have experience with it myself so I can't offer any hope that comes from direct experience but I can tell you that many, many members have reached the other side of this level of intensity. I saw your post above about the weather and I agree that it must lay a whole extra level of misery over what your mind and body are going through.

I'm sorry that my response can't be more helpful but I just wanted to reach out and say that I'm sending you strength and calm. I know that you are on the right path. It is a terrible struggle right now but this will pass. Keep going, taking it one small chunk of time at a time. If you find yourself having thoughts of giving up, talk back to yourself. This is a struggle for control of your life. It is worth any hardship. Keep telling yourself that and hang in there.(((
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Thanks, I needed to hear that.
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
It does. I know it feels like the pain will never end.. but trust me it does. It's hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel when you're so deep into it, but it's there. Stay strong.
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I'm staying strong, thanks for those kind and encouraging words bud. The tunnel is long and dark, that's for sure! Faint light in the distance...I hope!
 
Grrr...restless legs driving me nuts!!!

Please someone reply and help me to calm down. I feel really agitated and filled with anxiety and cannot sleep properly now for days and just thoughts racing around my mind. Does this go away after withdrawals? I can't remember feeling more ill in a long time now. Why is this such a battle at the lower doses?! I could do big dose drops at the start, now I feel every quarter milligram, literally.
 
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WantToBeReborn said:
Grrr...restless legs driving me nuts!!!

Please someone reply and help me to calm down. I feel really agitated and filled with anxiety and cannot sleep properly now for days and just thoughts racing around my mind. Does this go away after withdrawals? I can't remember feeling more ill in a long time now. Why is this such a battle at the lower doses?! I could do big dose drops at the start, now I feel every quarter milligram, literally.
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Maybe ask for some quinine or requip from your Dr.

I feel for u buddy, I'm preparing for a *final* detox while I',m yound enough, and it's scary! but o SO WORTH IT! I applaude you. Maybe dr will give you gabapentin too- I found a study showing the effectiveness of gabapentin 600mg 3x daily, search it and show it to your doc. This would be a perfect time to laern meditation or yoga <3 Stay strong Reborn.
 
neversickanymore said:
Hey Want2.. hang int there your doing great?...
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Sorry, screwed up the quote, this post was meant to say thanks and that you had made a good point about how often was I tapering. I was tapering daily, but I've stopped now to stabilise a bit as I couldn't cope with it any more. At the low doses, my drops though small amounts, were now huge percentages of the overall dowe, which a friend explained to me.

Saw my doc now, who also said the same, stabilise now, then reduce by even less than a ml at a time if necessary. Very frustrating as I'm so close yet so far, but, it will simply have to take longer.

Also got some Gabapentin which should help with the pain, hopefully also the withdrawal when I start tapering again.
 
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