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Opiate and opioid withdrawal: Coping strategies and medication

I'm confused as to why you had to do a rattle off oxy's or did you bosh your prescription?

Nothing like waiting for the giro to clear! Well not technically.
 
So yeah I got a pretty interesting experience. I had been on subs for a bit trying to get my habit under control. I had read about microdosing and decided to give it a go in case I wanted to get back on subs.

Well anyways I got back on pain meds and well yeah shit hit the fan (ie heavy iv drug abuse) again but I had been microdosing subs still at about .5 mg of a strip a day. I was taking 90 mgs of morphine a day and good amount of oxycodone and hydrocone as well. There is no way of knowing how much I take but I would guess at least 50 mgs minimum of oxy and hydro combined a day.

So anyways last night I was like ok I gonna try going back on subs without waiting at all. So I took a bit of a strip and felt better. So I am thinking why not slam a strip and get it in my system good. So I did.

Well that was some shit man. In the period of several minutes so much happened. At first I got this huge rush and then immediatly was no longer constipated. I sat on the toilet for a good minute and it was like I went thru wd's for about 30 seconds and then it was like bam back on subs. It was weird cuz like all the crazy shit you think about during wds happened in a period of 30 seconds and then I was fine. I instantly realized all the shit I hated about suboxone and then came to terms with this nasty but life saving substance.

Anyways I feel fine now and yeah I took a bit more subs and now I am not sick at all and feeling pretty damn good. So I guess if you keep a bit in your system (at least for me) you can theoretically jump right back on subs without waiting until you are horribly ill. I didn't get precipitated wd's which usually happens when I try to get on subs.

I just found that kind of interesting. It was good for me cuz I need to put my habit in check. I still hate suboxone but it has its uses and well if I can't consume as much opiates as I want I start having problems and subs help me get my shit together. I will be able to get some good rx's in the future so I just gotta chill atm.

I certainly cannot reccomend what I did last night to anyone as I am sure it was traumatic for my brain, liver, and god knows what else. But still quite a phenomenon. Has anyone else done this and did it work out well for you?
 
i found just waiting until wds started to kick in, and then held out a bit longer, as long as i could, and then i took a low dose of subs. I felt bad for 30 mins, but after that i was right as rain. I found the switch over very easy, but i guess i was on low dose minor opis anyway.
 
I have just done a fukin huge rattle . Won't be the last that's for sure but i think it deserves at least some recognition .

I would put it some where at around .4/5 of good gear a day & 150/200mg of oxy on top a day . I've been doing that amount for probably 3 months . Well after a week off spectacular Clucking i am about normal which is 50ml methadone , oh i forgot it was 60 when i started this binge so there is another bit of extra pain .

All i want is a Ciggy n i would be golden , wish my giro cleared at midnight like most folks not fukin 5 am ...........

Well sone, Brimz.
 
Thanks i wouldn't usually of posted it tbh . I have done many clucks in the 3 years have been here but i will say that was the hardest as the Gear was actually really decent , Just the oxy on it's own would have been hard i was having it for breakfast A quick 20mg on the pipe even b4 a ciggy , it was destroying my lungs that n the Smoking Gear plenty of Gear on Tin Foil N Smoking 20 fags a day .


Also i wanted to show that you don't have to procrastinate & have a taper plan it might help u but end of the day it's Just YOU ..

Previously i have done these things with the help of Loved ones & it puts an enormous strain on that bond . If you break the trust which you were inevitably given by the person it fukin shames you like a motherfuka , n we don't handle that well at all .

So it will be in off the deep end straight away , i can think of 1 time i will share when i convinced myself & an _O . That i was going to do it n we got it all sorted with that shit you know What they say you need to be as comfy as possible , by 18hrs i was round my mates With a pin in my arm ................
 
What brimz isn't letting you know is that he was PM'ing me complaing of his cluck and looking for support..... :-D

Back to reality, when you say 20mg on the pipe what you mean? Of oxy?!

As i have said beofre, the thing is your first time of a major cluck can be quite daunting if you read all the stuff and it scares you shitless. Then you get worried and you play mind games so when it comes to the WD to get clean your all over the shop.

I remember getting on to subbies from the gear, I had my script walking to the pharmacy feeling pretty fucking shit, then collapsed about 250meter from the pharmacy. Not sure why, I do have epilepsy but people told me I went out for like 10secs didn't even have time to fall to ground as a bloke caught me. Anyway was confused as hell, ambulance came, I walked in as I was still confused. Then started to come round, and said to medics what I was up to. They were surprised asked to look at my script, I told them way in hell I was going to hospital. So they let me on my way. God I felt even worse banging headache, least I got to pharmacy.
 
Yeah i/4 of an 80mg on the pipe 1st thing .

Like yerself i also sometimes vape my gear on a pipe . The Fukin scrapings i was getting were worth £100s on there own for real.
 
Well done brimz, that took some guts to go through that, without making any big deaql out of what must have been a very rough time.

It may sound daft, but not having any tobacco for a while may help you know, i found it helped me give up bupe when i gave up ecigs 10 days before, also scientific studies have shown that quit attempts are more likely to be suucessfull if you dont smoke nicotine. I think it makes that tiny bit of difference to how physically fit and resilient you are. For me that was the duffernce between able to get off bupe easily this time and finding it fucking impossible the time before that.
 
How you doing MBD?

You seemed to have a fairly easy time, really good to hear when someone does a successful taper!
 
i got down from 8 mg to 2mg easily. 2mg to 0mg (in 0.5 steps) was extremely difficult first time i tried and it took weeks and weeks. I couldnt do it, i couldnt hold out for more than 6 days. I had a few weeks back on a low dose, 'recharged my batteries', ate well, slept well, even gave up smoking. I tried again in early Jan and tapered down from 0.4 to 0.2 then 0.1 then 0. It was 100 % easier on my second attempt, i just had minor body chills/buzzes for 2 days. That was the worst of it. It was a mixture of things that helped make the difference both physically and mentally.

I agree with you Eve that the main point is that i have finally got off the stuff. I could probably have done it a lot quicker with a supervised taper or in a detox setting, where you get injected with mega doses of vitamins etc and its all over much quicker. I think i started my taper in the spring of 2013 and didnt complete it first time round until early December. The worst time of year imaginable to try to stop. It was meant to end in summer 2013, such are the problems with self managed tapers. Some people take years and years to taper off, relative to that ive been quite quick, but relative to the 12 days that prisoners get, so i was told, i clearly took it at a snails pace.

"There is no right or wrong way to do a taper." You can do it however you find most bearable or comfortable.
 
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@ Mental Kenny,

I meant the end of his taper so when he got to 0 and had to face WD. this time around seemed fairly easy.
 
MDB, dont think ya seen me asking in another thread but had you ever tried bupe with cyclizine (or anyone for that matter tried this?)

i was so surprised at how much i enjoyed it, only 2mg bupe and 50mg cyz had me feeling cosy like a bit of oxy would

wondering if anyone else has tried this combo, sorted my WD right out and slept like a baby :D
 
ive never even heard of cyclizine. I think my bupe days are over, id be well advised to stay away from that from now on i think, allthough i may have the occasional binge, as one of my relativess is dying i hac=ve to stay opuate clean to be able to take the flight to see him at some point, Im sticking to occasional kratom at the moment, ideally just once a month, to try to bring my tolerance down. I tried some yesterday and the day before, becausei was taking modafinil and etizolam i couldnt be sure what effects the kratom had, but i was in a very good mood and had tons of energy, i was cycling as fast as the cars out of town yesterday.
 
MDB, dont think ya seen me asking in another thread but had you ever tried bupe with cyclizine (or anyone for that matter tried this?)

i was so surprised at how much i enjoyed it, only 2mg bupe and 50mg cyz had me feeling cosy like a bit of oxy would

wondering if anyone else has tried this combo, sorted my WD right out and slept like a baby :D

I know this was addressed to MDB n sorry for interrupting just wondered what is cyclizine? Never heard of that but I'm currently on 12mg suboxone. Evey x
 
Jesus, do i want some more kratom today. Ive felt flooded with wellness for the last 2 days, and that yougurt method works so well, its easy to get down, actually quite nice infact, no more heaving and retching trying to drink kratom tea. This will be day 3, i will have to stop after this for several weeks or im just gonna get addicted to kratom.

My tolerance hasnt come down sufficiently. started off with 2 teaspoons of k, followed by 3 later on, just felt a nice fuzzy headed feeling, contentness, and very well. The effects were stronger on day 1. Im off out to buy more yoghurts i think. 5 teaspoons all at the same time now. I'll possibly be in minor Wds for a little while afterwards, but should be able to over ride them withoout too much bitching.
 
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