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Opiate and opioid withdrawal: Coping strategies and medication
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Eveleivibe
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Yeah, i can see the logic. The 5 Lopes have kicked in now and with that extra Clonidine and a wee snort of 4MPH the mysterious craving has fortunately now gone. That also means that had I just been more patient I would have been OK on 5 Lopes when they eventually kick in, so I will remember that for tomorrow and stick to 5. As you say if Lope Wds are nasty even though my habit will be miniscule and very brief if all goes to plan obviously i want to minimise any WDs as much as possible.
I'm also realsing that im not truly off opis yet, until ive quit the Lopes and other comfort meds. I guess when that day comes it will be the true test, or it may be nothing at all with any luck.
All apologies once again to everyone concerned, for my "hogging" this opi support thread again. I dont intend to annoy anyone or make the whole thing about me. I know plenty of others have had habits way out of any league ive ever been in, and may see my blabbering on as whinging and pathetic. I'm just trying to find the best and easiest way off, that's all. Plus I'm not as experienced as most opi users here so im not familiar with all the tricks you may know, and am not very confident in my own mental and physical resilience, i'm 45 now, so its not as easy as it is for all you teens and twenty somethings.
I don't have Knock around any more to support me this time if people start getting annoyed and ganging up against me again, so im probably being over defensive, but getting my defense in first none the less.
[MENTION=183133]mydrugbuddy[/MENTION] sorry i tried to post earlier but it got deleted. Just want to say I wish you all the very best in your taper / recovery n I think that Knock would be proud of you (miss him every day). I feel that, in a way I've travelled some of your journey n I agree that you will help others. As others have said addiction is addiction. You still have the psychological element where one minute you're telling yourself you'll never use again - the nezt thing you're using like no thoughts of that nature transpired. I've had conversations about my codeine addiction where my psychological thoughts were silar to those experiencing Heroin addictiom (when we discussed it).
I've had a numbrr of addictions myself, opiate, 3-FPM n behavioural - n for each one the psychological aspect are completely the same; fear of losing the thing we're addicted to, denial, secrecy, needed more n more, the obsession. So please never feel as though you're annoying anyone because you're not. I will be so incredibly happy for you when you've come off opiates whether that's lobe or whatever.
I'm not the best to advise, currently struggling with my own demons but I will say is take it day by day n will be here as support n motivate ome another if you'd like you've lots of support n you can do this. I wish you all the success in the world.
G thanks for explaining that about lobe. I wasn't aware that it passed the blood-brain barrier either.
Evey
mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
Yea I can't get clonidine. I have four kids. Gonna have to make do with what I have. And pray I am one of those loperamide stories that does ok w minor WD..... Soon to find out
Also, I regret to say that capsuled Kratom is generally shonky rubbish. Unless things are different in the US, you'd be better finding a vendor that specialises is stocking the pure powders and using them. That way you should at least be assured of getting high quality kratom. That is if kratom will help at all, as you have seen there is a wide range of opinions about that, just as there is on the use of Lope. If you take the GF juice and Tagamet 45 minutes before it should act on your whole CNS, but then it will become a much more "active opiate" with nasty w/d symptoms of its own, if you use too much for too long.
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Ive just paraphrased and summarized bits from the whole of the last page there, and condensed it down into one paragraph. I dont know if that will help any.
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mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
Thank you for your kind words Evey. I have no doubt that I will see this quit through, I estimate that I'm about 80% - 90% of the way to full recovery now, my energy levels shot up today for the first time since i quit, so it should just get easier and easier from now on. I may need to swallow my pride and go back to DS for help with staying off, and also with the out of control stim and GBL binges which i tend to get stuck into on some kind of auto pilot mode.
Atm i feel like i can handle the benzo taper myself, although looking at things objectively it has in reality been all over the place. I may also need a little more help and advice with that. 8(
Lol what a fuck up i am making of everything, but despite everything i feel good that im virtually free of at least one of the monkeys on my back, and i have done that myself, but not forgetting the huge help that all the advice that BigG has provided. This would have been far more difficult without all his input.
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mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
The Lope will work on one of 2 levels, either without crossing the BBB in which case it will help with all gut related issues. That alone will be a massive help. What other meds did you say you had, because without meaning to scare you, to make things easier you may need a little more than that if you are wanting to carry on as normal throughout. This option has the advantage that there will be no risk of any Lope Wds when you come off Lope.
Or you can go the other route, and take the GF juice first and the tagamet and it will work much more fully as a complete opiate on your entire CNS. If you take that option though you just have to try to taper down as quickly as possible, as because it should then relieve virtully all of your symptoms and if you taper off quickly the Lope W/ds should be non existent to minimal as far as i have understood everything that has been said.
You may well find that you feel absolutely fine on 30 Lopes using the GF juice and tagamet, if that turns out to be the case i would reduce by at least 2 Lopes the next day, and keep reducing as quickly as possible until you start to feel sick, then obviously you may need to increase your dose slightly again for a few days in order to stabilise. To my knowledge unfortunately there are no "equivalency charts" for this kind of thing (at least none that are published online and easily accessible) so we are all left in the dark, and just have to make the best guess at what dose will be required. 30 should be more than enough i would have thought. [MENTION=284118]BigG[/MENTION] has much more experience and knowledge about this. Hopefully he will be able to spare a few minutes and give his input.
Please try not to loose your resolve now, you'll feel much better if you take the risk of leaping into the unknown.
Or you can go the other route, and take the GF juice first and the tagamet and it will work much more fully as a complete opiate on your entire CNS. If you take that option though you just have to try to taper down as quickly as possible, as because it should then relieve virtully all of your symptoms and if you taper off quickly the Lope W/ds should be non existent to minimal as far as i have understood everything that has been said.
You may well find that you feel absolutely fine on 30 Lopes using the GF juice and tagamet, if that turns out to be the case i would reduce by at least 2 Lopes the next day, and keep reducing as quickly as possible until you start to feel sick, then obviously you may need to increase your dose slightly again for a few days in order to stabilise. To my knowledge unfortunately there are no "equivalency charts" for this kind of thing (at least none that are published online and easily accessible) so we are all left in the dark, and just have to make the best guess at what dose will be required. 30 should be more than enough i would have thought. [MENTION=284118]BigG[/MENTION] has much more experience and knowledge about this. Hopefully he will be able to spare a few minutes and give his input.
Please try not to loose your resolve now, you'll feel much better if you take the risk of leaping into the unknown.
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I turned the car around. I always planned on taking the lope with grapefruit juice and Tagament or priolesec, but you guys made it sound like that wouldn't help either and scared me.
If you think that WD will be bare able w that method I will try it and yes be tapering down everyday...
If you think that WD will be bare able w that method I will try it and yes be tapering down everyday...
mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
I'm so glad you've turned back.
If i was a betting man i would bet that if you drink the entire carton of GF juice and take the tagamet 45 minutes before the 30 Lopes you will feel fine (when they kick in.)
Maybe you could set your alarm 4 hours early and take the gf juice and tagemet then, then the Lopes after another 45 minutes, then go back to bed for 3 or 4 hours by which time the Lope should be kicking in. Thats just me always trying to find the softest easiest option, but if all that sounds impractical and you feel strong enough you'll just need to hold yourself together for just 4 hours (that should be managable) until the Lope kicks in.
EDIT: I dont think anyone said it wouldn't work with the GF juice and tagamet, in fact it was said that it can work so well that you need to be very wary of switching one opi habit for another.
If i was a betting man i would bet that if you drink the entire carton of GF juice and take the tagamet 45 minutes before the 30 Lopes you will feel fine (when they kick in.)
Maybe you could set your alarm 4 hours early and take the gf juice and tagemet then, then the Lopes after another 45 minutes, then go back to bed for 3 or 4 hours by which time the Lope should be kicking in. Thats just me always trying to find the softest easiest option, but if all that sounds impractical and you feel strong enough you'll just need to hold yourself together for just 4 hours (that should be managable) until the Lope kicks in.
EDIT: I dont think anyone said it wouldn't work with the GF juice and tagamet, in fact it was said that it can work so well that you need to be very wary of switching one opi habit for another.
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That's exactly what I am going to do at nap time. Chug the GFJ with Tagament then take the Lopes and sleep. Hopefully I will never get terrible withdrawals for a few days, and I know about tapering the lope as soon as I can.
Wish me luck. I am just glad I didn't waste another $150 today.
Wish me luck. I am just glad I didn't waste another $150 today.
mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
All the best! You're already $150 better off!
EDIT: Btw you don't need to taper down every day, just do that whilst you are feeling fine. Inevitably sooner or later you will hit the dose that your body is currently dependant on and when you drop below that dose your gonna feel 'under the weather' as some of us old fashioned Brits say. When you hit that point it's definitely best to slow down a bit, and stabilise on that new lower dose, this may take a few days, and then when you feel fully well again on that new lower dose you can reduce again. Rinse and repeat etc.
The biggest mistake i made when i first tried a bupe taper, was that i rushed it too much, which ran myself down, and i jumped off with nothing left in the tank. Only one thing was ever gonna happen next. I eventually sourced some very low dose Bupes which i took for a couple of weeks whilst i tried to look after myself as well as possible; eating and sleeping as well as possible etc. And it worked, it was completely painless jumping off at the 2nd attempt.
I know you're not using Bupe but logically pretty much exactly the same tapering principles should apply whatever you are tapering.
EDIT: Btw you don't need to taper down every day, just do that whilst you are feeling fine. Inevitably sooner or later you will hit the dose that your body is currently dependant on and when you drop below that dose your gonna feel 'under the weather' as some of us old fashioned Brits say. When you hit that point it's definitely best to slow down a bit, and stabilise on that new lower dose, this may take a few days, and then when you feel fully well again on that new lower dose you can reduce again. Rinse and repeat etc.
The biggest mistake i made when i first tried a bupe taper, was that i rushed it too much, which ran myself down, and i jumped off with nothing left in the tank. Only one thing was ever gonna happen next. I eventually sourced some very low dose Bupes which i took for a couple of weeks whilst i tried to look after myself as well as possible; eating and sleeping as well as possible etc. And it worked, it was completely painless jumping off at the 2nd attempt.
I know you're not using Bupe but logically pretty much exactly the same tapering principles should apply whatever you are tapering.
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mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
It's meant to help with sleep, but ime its only effect was to make me ravenously hungry, waking me up craving whole packs of chocolates several times a night. I think I put on 3 stone when i first started taking Mirt.
I think it also makes you feel lethargic and unmotivated during the day.
Im glad ive quit the stuff. I just hope my mood doesnt crash completely when its all out of my system after a month or so. That was just my experience, but i have read many very similar accounts here and elsewhere, but of course it may not affect everyone the same way. Presumably it must have worked well for some people in order for it to be released onto the market. Though tbh i dont think ive ever seen anyone on BL have a good word to say about it; the response has been overwhelmingly negative.
I think it also makes you feel lethargic and unmotivated during the day.
Im glad ive quit the stuff. I just hope my mood doesnt crash completely when its all out of my system after a month or so. That was just my experience, but i have read many very similar accounts here and elsewhere, but of course it may not affect everyone the same way. Presumably it must have worked well for some people in order for it to be released onto the market. Though tbh i dont think ive ever seen anyone on BL have a good word to say about it; the response has been overwhelmingly negative.